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https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessmen...
Not read yet but here it is; Beeb saying it asserts only one of the incidents considered can be attributed to a known terrestrial cause.
Not read yet but here it is; Beeb saying it asserts only one of the incidents considered can be attributed to a known terrestrial cause.
PRTVR said:
Pistom said:
I find it odd that in this day an age when manned flight has been around for nearly 140 years, many assume that UFOs mean aliens.
I've only ever witnessed one FO that I couldn't explain and it was fantastic to see but both my wife and I immediately assumed it was man made.
It was some kind of object in flight below us as we looked down into a valley but travelling at incredible speed to be so low but clearly controlled flight and it made no noise. It was an alien sight to us to see something so fast, so low and change direction so quickly all without noise but there was clearly some kind of propulsion system at the back of it. A real WTFWT moment.
I would imagine that part of the alien theory is based around the performance and directional changes that some display, I've only ever witnessed one FO that I couldn't explain and it was fantastic to see but both my wife and I immediately assumed it was man made.
It was some kind of object in flight below us as we looked down into a valley but travelling at incredible speed to be so low but clearly controlled flight and it made no noise. It was an alien sight to us to see something so fast, so low and change direction so quickly all without noise but there was clearly some kind of propulsion system at the back of it. A real WTFWT moment.
things that exhibit characteristics that are beyond our present understandings of physics are hard to comprehend and as such are even harder to explain.
Both planes designed and build and flee from Groom Lake (Area 51).
I think there are parallels here. What the Navy pilots have seen is unexplainable and "alien" to them, compared to the known capabilities of what they are flying.
Scabutz said:
PRTVR said:
Pistom said:
I find it odd that in this day an age when manned flight has been around for nearly 140 years, many assume that UFOs mean aliens.
I've only ever witnessed one FO that I couldn't explain and it was fantastic to see but both my wife and I immediately assumed it was man made.
It was some kind of object in flight below us as we looked down into a valley but travelling at incredible speed to be so low but clearly controlled flight and it made no noise. It was an alien sight to us to see something so fast, so low and change direction so quickly all without noise but there was clearly some kind of propulsion system at the back of it. A real WTFWT moment.
I would imagine that part of the alien theory is based around the performance and directional changes that some display, I've only ever witnessed one FO that I couldn't explain and it was fantastic to see but both my wife and I immediately assumed it was man made.
It was some kind of object in flight below us as we looked down into a valley but travelling at incredible speed to be so low but clearly controlled flight and it made no noise. It was an alien sight to us to see something so fast, so low and change direction so quickly all without noise but there was clearly some kind of propulsion system at the back of it. A real WTFWT moment.
things that exhibit characteristics that are beyond our present understandings of physics are hard to comprehend and as such are even harder to explain.
Both planes designed and build and flee from Groom Lake (Area 51).
I think there are parallels here. What the Navy pilots have seen is unexplainable and "alien" to them, compared to the known capabilities of what they are flying.
The problems come when the object exhibits performance that breaks the laws of known physics, I use the term "known" as our understanding may change with time.
Scabutz said:
I posted this a while back but worth repeating. When the U2 was being developed at the time the ceiling of commercial flight was about 20,000ft, military about 40,000 ft. Now you had a plane capable of flying at 60,000ft. Number of UFO sightings went up, particularly from other pilots who flying west in the early evening would see something far higher up in the air reflecting the sun and appearing to them to be "alien" - meaning unknown. Same thing happened again with the SR71. It looked like nothing else seen before. A very strange shape and now suddenly a plane capable of flying upto to 80,000 a speeds far in excess of anything else.
Both planes designed and build and flee from Groom Lake (Area 51).
I think there are parallels here. What the Navy pilots have seen is unexplainable and "alien" to them, compared to the known capabilities of what they are flying.
The Canberra could get up to 70,000 ft, and it was designed in the 1940s. Who knows what the true ceiling is for modern aircraft.Both planes designed and build and flee from Groom Lake (Area 51).
I think there are parallels here. What the Navy pilots have seen is unexplainable and "alien" to them, compared to the known capabilities of what they are flying.
There is a physical limit to high an aeroplane can fly and still fly by means of aerodynamic lift. That is nothing to do with the limits of the aircraft but everything to do with the lack of air. The limit is around the 80,000 - 90,000 feet mark, which is where the SR-71, A-12 and YF-12 could fly. Above that you are in a virtual vacuum and flight becomes ballistic and sub-orbital rather than aerodynamic.
Yesterdays flight of Space Ship 2 was a perfect example of such a flight (ceiling achieved 282,000 feet).
Yesterdays flight of Space Ship 2 was a perfect example of such a flight (ceiling achieved 282,000 feet).
Scabutz said:
I think there are parallels here. What the Navy pilots have seen is unexplainable and "alien" to them, compared to the known capabilities of what they are flying.
The trouble is the capabilities we are observing are so extreme that anyone that has researched the topic and has a basic understanding of physics will realise this is unlikely to be terrestrial tech. This paper discusses the Nimitz incident of which there is pentagon confirmed data, video and multiple eyewitnesses:
https://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/21/10/939/htm
" The Tic-Tac UAV dropping from 28,000 ft to sea level in 0.78s involved at least 4.3×1011J of energy (assuming a mass of 1000kg), which is equivalent to about 100 tons of TNT, or the yield of 200 Tomahawk cruise missiles, released in 34 of a second"
But again, if it is extraterrestrial how has it got here? Our current understanding of physics rules out faster than light travel. So maybe they are hiding in plain sight, deep in our oceans, the dark side of the moon etc. Or maybe they can open and stabilise a worm hole. Or maybe relativity is s
t and faster than light travel is more than achievable.
I still think Occams razor suggests that it is advanced, secret human tech.
t and faster than light travel is more than achievable. I still think Occams razor suggests that it is advanced, secret human tech.
If it isn’t human, and that’s a big if, rather than interstellar, the possibility of it being time travelling humans or a pre-human earth based civilisation seems more likely to me.
In the 500 million or so years since complex life evolved on this planet, it’s not hard to imagine intelligence rose before humanity. Maybe an intelligent species moved underground, realising geothermal energy was an endless source of clean energy, and that living on the earths surface exposed them to too many existential threats?
In the 500 million or so years since complex life evolved on this planet, it’s not hard to imagine intelligence rose before humanity. Maybe an intelligent species moved underground, realising geothermal energy was an endless source of clean energy, and that living on the earths surface exposed them to too many existential threats?
Scabutz said:
But again, if it is extraterrestrial how has it got here? Our current understanding of physics rules out faster than light travel. So maybe they are hiding in plain sight, deep in our oceans, the dark side of the moon etc. Or maybe they can open and stabilise a worm hole. Or maybe relativity is st and faster than light travel is more than achievable.
I still think Occams razor suggests that it is advanced, secret human tech.
Or sensor failure. Or compression artefacts. Or human misinterpretation. Or simple lying.t and faster than light travel is more than achievable. I still think Occams razor suggests that it is advanced, secret human tech.
All of these are many orders of magnitude more likely than aliens or time travellers.
Scabutz said:
But again, if it is extraterrestrial how has it got here? Our current understanding of physics rules out faster than light travel. So maybe they are hiding in plain sight, deep in our oceans, the dark side of the moon etc. Or maybe they can open and stabilise a worm hole. Or maybe relativity is st and faster than light travel is more than achievable.
I still think Occams razor suggests that it is advanced, secret human tech.
I think we have to approach it with the mindset that anything is possible. The pentagon has admitted in the recent UAP report the phenomena is real and not their own tech.t and faster than light travel is more than achievable. I still think Occams razor suggests that it is advanced, secret human tech.
Space / time manipulation has been suggested which would explain many of the characteristics.
The topic still has much stigma attached, but this is changing as evidence emerges from very credible sources.
This should be taken seriously as what happens if this tech falls into the wrong hands?
Scabutz said:
But again, if it is extraterrestrial how has it got here? Our current understanding of physics rules out faster than light travel. So maybe they are hiding in plain sight, deep in our oceans, the dark side of the moon etc. Or maybe they can open and stabilise a worm hole. Or maybe relativity is st and faster than light travel is more than achievable.
I still think Occams razor suggests that it is advanced, secret human tech.
https://www.howandwhys.com/podesta-fish-leaked-ema... you could be onto something there!t and faster than light travel is more than achievable. I still think Occams razor suggests that it is advanced, secret human tech.
The Article said:
In his next email to Podesta, Fish shared an incident that happened with him in El Segundo, a city in California. After the Project Blue Book was shut down, Fish met with a USAF official who worked on the program.
He told Fish that “there were times when they were diverted from these missions to track UFOs off the east coast of Florida. His claim was the UFOs had a landing and takeoff spot in the ocean east of Miami, north of Bermuda. He also claimed there was a specific electronic signature (frequency) emanating from them when they were going into or coming out of the water, so they were easy to track. On several occasions, they filmed the UFO as it transitioned from water to air or vice versa.”
This encouraged Fish, reaching to the conclusion that the Project Blue Book was never dismantled, just disappeared from the public eyes in 1970. The AATI is a good example that the Pentagon’s interest in UFOs has never vanished.
He told Fish that “there were times when they were diverted from these missions to track UFOs off the east coast of Florida. His claim was the UFOs had a landing and takeoff spot in the ocean east of Miami, north of Bermuda. He also claimed there was a specific electronic signature (frequency) emanating from them when they were going into or coming out of the water, so they were easy to track. On several occasions, they filmed the UFO as it transitioned from water to air or vice versa.”
This encouraged Fish, reaching to the conclusion that the Project Blue Book was never dismantled, just disappeared from the public eyes in 1970. The AATI is a good example that the Pentagon’s interest in UFOs has never vanished.
Edited by daveco on Thursday 15th July 13:15
flashbang said:
Why is it usually middle of the night, in the middle of nowhere or some woods in the middle of nowhere with a shaky grainy camera taking a pic from 100 miles away? Why doesn't one land on my driveway right now?
There are compelling pictures, but not available to the public:The Calvine incident is a good example:
The 6 pictures were due to be declassified this year, but the MOD have now said the records will not be released until 2072 :
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/perth-k...
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/6144270/ufo-...
Edited by zek on Thursday 15th July 14:45
zek said:
flashbang said:
Why is it usually middle of the night, in the middle of nowhere or some woods in the middle of nowhere with a shaky grainy camera taking a pic from 100 miles away? Why doesn't one land on my driveway right now?
There are compelling pictures, but not available to the public:The Calvine incident is a good example:
The 6 pictures were due to be declassified this year, but the MOD have now said the records will not be released until 2072 :
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/perth-k...
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/6144270/ufo-...
Edited by zek on Thursday 15th July 14:45
It's very frustrating that no one has any high quality footage of a UFO, and even more frustrating that the MOD would deem it a national security threat if they did have said footage.
daveco said:
It's very frustrating that no one has any high quality footage of a UFO, and even more frustrating that the MOD would deem it a national security threat if they did have said footage.
It’s frustrating that in a world where nearly everyone has an HD camera with them all of the time, most of what we see of UFO’s and ghosts is grainy footage taken with potatoes. What do you mean by ‘national security threat’.
dukeboy749r said:
Surely, if the MoD want it kept secret it is less likely to be ET and more likely to be something militarily sensitive?
Pfft - didn't you ever see the documentary Invasion Earth? - it was Vincent Regan shooting down a UFO in his Tornado.dukeboy749r said:
Surely, if the MoD want it kept secret it is less likely to be ET and more likely to be something militarily sensitive?
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