Discussion
Bill said:
TGCOTF-dewey said:
Just to add to the discussion...
This was one of the most convincing interviews I listened to. She sounds genuinely terrified recounting her tale.
Now she may have hallucinated what happened, but it definitely sounds like she believes what she saw (to my ears anyway)
https://sasquatchchronicles.com/sc-ep515-i-shouldn...
Plenty of people are convinced they've seen ghosts too. Eyewitness testimony is incredibly unreliable.This was one of the most convincing interviews I listened to. She sounds genuinely terrified recounting her tale.
Now she may have hallucinated what happened, but it definitely sounds like she believes what she saw (to my ears anyway)
https://sasquatchchronicles.com/sc-ep515-i-shouldn...
But she - to my ears - believes what she's claiming...that's the point I was making.
Either way it's interesting, if it's (they're) real or a common neurological phenomenon yet be discovered (in the same way folks mistake parasomnia for Ghosts, Witches and Alien abduction).
Bill said:
That's the thing, bears are mostly vegetarian or scavengers and take only injured deer because they don't have the speed to catch healthy ones. Wolves chase prey to exhaustion. A biped stands no chance, we hunt with tools.
And how does a Bigfoot population sustain itself? You need a critical mass of creatures. If they're a neanderthal type creature where are the fires? There's a very good argument that we could evolve as well as we have because we learnt to cook so could extract more nutrients more easily and therefore our (and other hominids') brains grew.
We are still finding human tribes in the Amazon. Of course the area is much greater than the wildernesses of North America; equally, our rate of discovering new tribes doesn’t seem to be slowing, suggesting that more exploration = more discovery. We take for granted that we have satellite imagery that “surely” shows all signs of habitation, and yet…And how does a Bigfoot population sustain itself? You need a critical mass of creatures. If they're a neanderthal type creature where are the fires? There's a very good argument that we could evolve as well as we have because we learnt to cook so could extract more nutrients more easily and therefore our (and other hominids') brains grew.
Is it too great a leap to imagine that the “remains” of a Sasquatch presence would be essentially indistinguishable to most people from the evidence of humans and/or other creatures? We’re not talking cabins and campfires here.
Bill said:
Why not? I haven't looked in to it so have to admit no idea how many supposed sightings there have been, but the whole premise is extraordinarily unlikely. There's no evidence (AIUI) apart from sightings, and good evidence that primates died out in temperate north America 56m years ago.
Hundreds, if not thousands Bill, going back at least 200 years.I agree though that it's very unlikely, but sightings in themselves are evidence. There are some pictures and video too; the trouble is that they (and the sightings) are discounted by default. I mean, if I showed you a picture of a horse, you'd say "cool, a horse", without question, but even if I took clear photo of a bigfoot you'd be looking to find ways to discredit it. Like I said before, the only evidence many will accept is a body,
I also agree that some sightings could be down to imagination or hallucination, but that's harder with some of the group ones. I've seen interviews with familes and goups of neighbours in rural communities, who've claimed to have bigfoot on their property, and have had multiiple encounters, sometimes with visible property damage. Many of these people don't consider it as anything unusual, are seemingly used to it, and think it's perfectly normal.
Footprint evidence, of which there's plenty, could also be faked, but then again a lot of this is in very isolated areas, rarely if ever vistited by people, so hardly the kind of places a hoaxer would bother with. Many also show joint patterns, texture and depth of tread consistent with a very large and heavy primate.
Personally I find the two most credible types of sightings to be that of hunters, as they are used to the outdoors, are familiar with bears and other wildlife, and less likley to be spooked into hallucinating. The other group is property owners who've had multiple encounters on their property, seen by more than one person. A common factor is rocks being thrown, or being followed unseen, something no other animal could or would do, as well as being charged at with a lot of screaming and yelling, seemingly to try and scare people off. It's really hard to think they're all making it up, with no apparent motive.
The interview linked earlier was interesting, as the encounter went on too long, and was too detailed, for it to sound like a hallucination or misidentification. In isolation one could probably discount it, but the detailed description, and genuine fear in her voice, is common to a lot of these accounts, as is the reluctance to talk about them until long after the event. Most seem afraid of being ridiculed.
The most notable thing is that, unlike potential hoaxers, or people who claim to have seen ghosts, nessie, or aliens, they aren't looking for any recognition, or even to be believed, and come across as mostly scared by what they've seen, and wished they hadn't. In that regard it's interesting whatever the answer is. If such a creature exists, then that would be a huge discovery. However, even if it doesn't, it would represent a substantial amount of claimed sightings and documented encounters that go back to the 1800's, that include law enforcement officers, settlers, native americans, miltary members, hunters, hikers, and a host of other types who never believed in such things, and came across them by accident, which in itself is an interesting phenomenon.
What is claimed to be an AI-generated short film on UFOs:
https://twitter.com/OffWorldBound/status/164145209...
https://twitter.com/OffWorldBound/status/164149610...
Pretty cool if genuinely churned out by AI with no editing by human hand etc., although it does not appear clear whether that is or is not entirely the case.
https://twitter.com/OffWorldBound/status/164145209...
https://twitter.com/OffWorldBound/status/164149610...
Pretty cool if genuinely churned out by AI with no editing by human hand etc., although it does not appear clear whether that is or is not entirely the case.
Edited by RSTurboPaul on Sunday 2nd April 13:29
QJumper said:
Bill said:
Why not? I haven't looked in to it so have to admit no idea how many supposed sightings there have been, but the whole premise is extraordinarily unlikely. There's no evidence (AIUI) apart from sightings, and good evidence that primates died out in temperate north America 56m years ago.
Hundreds, if not thousands Bill, going back at least 200 years.I agree though that it's very unlikely, but sightings in themselves are evidence. There are some pictures and video too; the trouble is that they (and the sightings) are discounted by default. I mean, if I showed you a picture of a horse, you'd say "cool, a horse", without question, but even if I took clear photo of a bigfoot you'd be looking to find ways to discredit it. Like I said before, the only evidence many will accept is a body,
I also agree that some sightings could be down to imagination or hallucination, but that's harder with some of the group ones. I've seen interviews with familes and goups of neighbours in rural communities, who've claimed to have bigfoot on their property, and have had multiiple encounters, sometimes with visible property damage. Many of these people don't consider it as anything unusual, are seemingly used to it, and think it's perfectly normal.
Footprint evidence, of which there's plenty, could also be faked, but then again a lot of this is in very isolated areas, rarely if ever vistited by people, so hardly the kind of places a hoaxer would bother with. Many also show joint patterns, texture and depth of tread consistent with a very large and heavy primate.
Personally I find the two most credible types of sightings to be that of hunters, as they are used to the outdoors, are familiar with bears and other wildlife, and less likley to be spooked into hallucinating. The other group is property owners who've had multiple encounters on their property, seen by more than one person. A common factor is rocks being thrown, or being followed unseen, something no other animal could or would do, as well as being charged at with a lot of screaming and yelling, seemingly to try and scare people off. It's really hard to think they're all making it up, with no apparent motive.
The interview linked earlier was interesting, as the encounter went on too long, and was too detailed, for it to sound like a hallucination or misidentification. In isolation one could probably discount it, but the detailed description, and genuine fear in her voice, is common to a lot of these accounts, as is the reluctance to talk about them until long after the event. Most seem afraid of being ridiculed.
The most notable thing is that, unlike potential hoaxers, or people who claim to have seen ghosts, nessie, or aliens, they aren't looking for any recognition, or even to be believed, and come across as mostly scared by what they've seen, and wished they hadn't. In that regard it's interesting whatever the answer is. If such a creature exists, then that would be a huge discovery. However, even if it doesn't, it would represent a substantial amount of claimed sightings and documented encounters that go back to the 1800's, that include law enforcement officers, settlers, native americans, miltary members, hunters, hikers, and a host of other types who never believed in such things, and came across them by accident, which in itself is an interesting phenomenon.
2fast748 said:
My 5 year old son is obsessed with Bigfoot thanks to lots of YouTube vid on his tablet, hopefully he'll outgrow it soon!
Why? My Son is too... However, Big foot, ghosts, UFOs, etc. are a great jumping off point for learning about science and critical thinking.
My son was terrified of ghosts. I taught him about parasomnia and pareidolia. No longer scared of ghosts and has learned some neuroscience.
I’ll post this here as it addresses a possible solution to the Fermi paradox. It might just be that we are among the first space faring civilisations because the universe was too hostile for multicellular life in its first few billion years.
Animated for kids, but Kurzgesagt videos are always worth a watch.
https://youtu.be/GDSf2h9_39I
Animated for kids, but Kurzgesagt videos are always worth a watch.
https://youtu.be/GDSf2h9_39I
SpudLink said:
I’ll post this here as it addresses a possible solution to the Fermi paradox. It might just be that we are among the first space faring civilisations because the universe was too hostile for multicellular life in its first few billion years.
Animated for kids, but Kurzgesagt videos are always worth a watch.
https://youtu.be/GDSf2h9_39I
Isn't the practical problem that most of the universe is so far away that, even if other civilisations are out there at the same stage of development as us we're just not going to see it. Somewhere like Kepler-452b is 1400 light years away. We weren't putting out much EM radiation in 600 AD Animated for kids, but Kurzgesagt videos are always worth a watch.
https://youtu.be/GDSf2h9_39I
skwdenyer said:
SpudLink said:
I’ll post this here as it addresses a possible solution to the Fermi paradox. It might just be that we are among the first space faring civilisations because the universe was too hostile for multicellular life in its first few billion years.
Animated for kids, but Kurzgesagt videos are always worth a watch.
https://youtu.be/GDSf2h9_39I
Isn't the practical problem that most of the universe is so far away that, even if other civilisations are out there at the same stage of development as us we're just not going to see it. Somewhere like Kepler-452b is 1400 light years away. We weren't putting out much EM radiation in 600 AD Animated for kids, but Kurzgesagt videos are always worth a watch.
https://youtu.be/GDSf2h9_39I
Given we've only been transmitting for ~150yrs, we'd only be seeing responses from within ~75ly.
Bill said:
And that's assuming the life's close by. If it's in the next galaxy that's 25,000 years. We could be last to peak, and die out before we ever found out.
It could be on the 'other side' of our own galaxy (given it is some 100,000 light-years across) and you would have the same challenge. deckster said:
There's another galaxy inside the Milky Way? Crikey.
Apparently. It's been subsumed and now being pulled apart.https://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/features/cosmic/near...
Bill said:
deckster said:
There's another galaxy inside the Milky Way? Crikey.
Apparently. It's been subsumed and now being pulled apart.https://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/features/cosmic/near...
annodomini2 said:
skwdenyer said:
SpudLink said:
I’ll post this here as it addresses a possible solution to the Fermi paradox. It might just be that we are among the first space faring civilisations because the universe was too hostile for multicellular life in its first few billion years.
Animated for kids, but Kurzgesagt videos are always worth a watch.
https://youtu.be/GDSf2h9_39I
Isn't the practical problem that most of the universe is so far away that, even if other civilisations are out there at the same stage of development as us we're just not going to see it. Somewhere like Kepler-452b is 1400 light years away. We weren't putting out much EM radiation in 600 AD Animated for kids, but Kurzgesagt videos are always worth a watch.
https://youtu.be/GDSf2h9_39I
Given we've only been transmitting for ~150yrs, we'd only be seeing responses from within ~75ly.
Ultimately we need to solve faster-than-light travel otherwise we’re basically stuck - our “multi-planetary species” will be limited to a bunch of not-very-hospitable rocks. FTL comms would at least allow us to communicate with (supposed) alien species (although we’d also need FTL sensors to detect them).
The important factor in doing so is to stop saying “this is impossible” and start thinking “we haven’t solved this yet.” We can’t change our world through orthodoxy
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