Self righteous truckers!
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powerstroke said:
I'm with the OP , if you have pointy shoes and a german car it just isn't right to have to slow down and you should hurtle down any clear lane right to the front and force in ...
I'm with the OP , if you have The problem I have with merge in turn is that each situation on the road is rarely black and white.
Merge in turn works well if you have a long stationary queue. It works less well if the traffic is flowing. Finding a natural merge point several hundred yards earlier based on traffic density can be better. The fixed signs cannot cope with both scenarios.
Many times I've seen merge in turn working really well about 100 yards before the cones and you still get an idiot force his way around the merge point to drive right up to the cones and squeeze in.
Merge in turn works well if you have a long stationary queue. It works less well if the traffic is flowing. Finding a natural merge point several hundred yards earlier based on traffic density can be better. The fixed signs cannot cope with both scenarios.
Many times I've seen merge in turn working really well about 100 yards before the cones and you still get an idiot force his way around the merge point to drive right up to the cones and squeeze in.
Thats what you're supposed to do and that's why he was through the roadworks quicker!
People were letting traffic merge 100yds back but suddenly get entitlement as they can see the single lane ahead and single line of traffic in front of them.
If everyone merged at the merge in point there would still be a single line of traffic in front of them and they'd be 100yds up the road!
People were letting traffic merge 100yds back but suddenly get entitlement as they can see the single lane ahead and single line of traffic in front of them.
If everyone merged at the merge in point there would still be a single line of traffic in front of them and they'd be 100yds up the road!
popeyewhite said:
Mandat said:
Well, the option is to join either the longer queue or join the shorter queue.
By the truckers actions, he is preventing that choice from being exercised, and is preventing the full use being made of the available road space.
That is your opinion. I've no doubt his is that everyone else is queuing so he's blocking queue jumpers. A public service, if you like.By the truckers actions, he is preventing that choice from being exercised, and is preventing the full use being made of the available road space.
The truck driver is obviously an ignorant fool if he thinks his actions are acceptable. All he is doing is blocking traffic in both open lanes from using the available road space up to the point where the traffic should actually merge.
There is no queue jumping involved, except in the minds of those that are of feeble mind, and who are unable to understand how merge in turn should work.
There are plenty of regular merge in turn threads on here, and it might be enlightening for you to read some of these, as you would learn why the truck driver (and you) are wrong.
popeyewhite said:
he's blocking queue jumpers.
Just to correct you on this particular point. There are 2 lanes leading to the merge point, therefore there are 2 potential queues where traffic can build up.
He is blocking those that choose to queue in the shorter of the 2 queues. Like I said before, there is no queue jumping involved.
Rick101 said:
Thats what you're supposed to do and that's why he was through the roadworks quicker!
People were letting traffic merge 100yds back but suddenly get entitlement as they can see the single lane ahead and single line of traffic in front of them.
If everyone merged at the merge in point there would still be a single line of traffic in front of them and they'd be 100yds up the road!
No they wouldn't they would be 50yds up the road and travelling but with a queue in both lanes therefore just as far away in terms of time.People were letting traffic merge 100yds back but suddenly get entitlement as they can see the single lane ahead and single line of traffic in front of them.
If everyone merged at the merge in point there would still be a single line of traffic in front of them and they'd be 100yds up the road!
Merge in turn really only works in certain circumstances and the report made reference to both lanes reducing to the same speed approaching the merge point. That obviously is not happening in the OPs case as one lane is very slow the other very fast.
The other thing is that once everything is in one lane it can pass through the narrow point much quicker as doesn't need to slow further for the merge. For speeds sake it doesn't matter where the merge point is whether it's the back of a queue or at the merge point. Where it does make a difference is the length of the queue. A queue of 2 lanes is obviously shorter than one of one.
Merge in turn would work much better where there are equivalent amounts of traffic in both lanes, and the traffic is flowing through the narrow part clearly. I
Chrisgr31 said:
Merge in turn would work much better where there are equivalent amounts of traffic in both lanes, and the traffic is flowing through the narrow part clearly.
Absolutely correct. It is ironic that the reason why the 2 queues are not evenly occupied is because of those very same people that unnecessarily choose to join the longer queue.
Surely (when HGVDriver gets to the merge point) everybody behind him will merge in turn.
What he's doing is preventing the "overtake as many people as you can and then push in at the last minute, and sod everybody in L1 that has to brake in order to create a space for me" which is what i think some PHers mean by "Merge in Turn".
What he's doing is preventing the "overtake as many people as you can and then push in at the last minute, and sod everybody in L1 that has to brake in order to create a space for me" which is what i think some PHers mean by "Merge in Turn".
popeyewhite said:
...Is one course of action. The other for a reasonable person confronted with a queue would be to join it. As we all do in various situations in life. But behind the wheel everything changes doesn't it? Why d'you think that is?
Eh? Are you saying that when you go to a supermarket you join the longest queue, and its ok to block all the other tills so everyone else has to join the longest queue too?blueg33 said:
popeyewhite said:
...Is one course of action. The other for a reasonable person confronted with a queue would be to join it. As we all do in various situations in life. But behind the wheel everything changes doesn't it? Why d'you think that is?
Eh? Are you saying that when you go to a supermarket you join the longest queue, and its ok to block all the other tills so everyone else has to join the longest queue too?If both queues had merged on the approach to the till it wouldn't be an issue. Chances are that, earlier on, there were still gaps between trollies. However trying to psh in right at the end irks some people.
Countdown said:
blueg33 said:
popeyewhite said:
...Is one course of action. The other for a reasonable person confronted with a queue would be to join it. As we all do in various situations in life. But behind the wheel everything changes doesn't it? Why d'you think that is?
Eh? Are you saying that when you go to a supermarket you join the longest queue, and its ok to block all the other tills so everyone else has to join the longest queue too?If both queues had merged on the approach to the till it wouldn't be an issue. Chances are that, earlier on, there were still gaps between trollies. However trying to psh in right at the end irks some people.
In terms of the highway, people blocking full use of both lanes until the merge points are idiots of the highest order. The design is specifically done like that for people to use both lanes and maximise the capacity of the road. This means less likelihood of impact on junctions etc.
hman said:
Its really quite disappointing that we've come this far in our evolution - for some of us to be stumped by the concept of zip merging.
Pathetic.
Exactly, people really should read the Highway Code.Pathetic.
For what it's worth, I never join the outer lane, I'm never in a big enough rush to bother, but I fully understand why some people do go on the outside and have no issue with it, I merge in turn as per the 'rules'.
You'd expect a professional driver to know this.
Countdown said:
In this case the "other till" is closed and what you are doing is pushing in at the front of the queue for the till next to yours.
If both queues had merged on the approach to the till it wouldn't be an issue. Chances are that, earlier on, there were still gaps between trollies. However trying to psh in right at the end irks some people.
Your supermarket till analogy is wrong, since you don't have 2 separate queues leading up to a single till. If both queues had merged on the approach to the till it wouldn't be an issue. Chances are that, earlier on, there were still gaps between trollies. However trying to psh in right at the end irks some people.
Whereas on the road, you do have 2 separate queues leading up to the single merge point.
To further reinforce the point, why do you think the merge point is called what it is?
Not UK but the principle is the same. For those that struggle with the concept, watch this educational video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru27rw7xhnA
Did you know that ants also use the "zipper merge" and they don't get traffic jams
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru27rw7xhnA
Did you know that ants also use the "zipper merge" and they don't get traffic jams
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