Books - What are you reading?

Books - What are you reading?

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havoc

30,064 posts

235 months

Sunday 9th February 2020
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Derek Smith said:
Want to sober up, for days?
Not right now, thanks all the same...

MC Bodge

21,628 posts

175 months

Sunday 9th February 2020
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Derek Smith said:
I’m ready a history book that’s the most depressing horror story I’ve ever read. It is ghastly. It is haunting.

Savage Continent by Keith Lowe.

I love history books. I’ve read a fair bit on the immediate post war history of the UK, but very little on that of the European mainland. This book covers the immediate aftermath. It is something of an untold story, or at least not mentioned.

The book is scary. I stopped reading it twice, not because it is written poorly. In fact, it is just the opposite. Lowe sort of chats to you, and his matter of fact style makes it worse. It just got too much. Then it drew me back, only to be appalled again.

I had no idea what went on. I knew there was some retribution handed out to collaborators. I’d seen film of a few bodies and young women with their heads being shaved. But this goes deeper. The figures are just that; figures. If you thought 100 dead was bad, then 500 is just a bit worse. But the book highlights the hundreds of thousands who were killed, maimed, died, displaced, lost. And it has, largely, been ignored.

I recently read of the ‘missing’ in the years of Franco, and the way the government have sort of covered it up, making it an offence to mention it. He was nothing compared to what went on.

Want to sober up, for days? Then Savage Continent does it for you.
That sounds interesting. I found Beevor's book, Berlin: The Downfall similar. One atrocity after another, with horrendous retribution against the non fighting people.

War is not glamorous and the mythologising of WW2 (fought by their parents) by older English people is often very distasteful.

Ardennes1944

108 posts

65 months

Sunday 9th February 2020
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Finished Chickenhawk last night. Written by a Vietnam Huey pilot. Normally only read books on WW1 and WW2 but this was a very good read I thought.

MC Bodge

21,628 posts

175 months

Sunday 9th February 2020
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Ardennes1944 said:
Finished Chickenhawk last night. Written by a Vietnam Huey pilot. Normally only read books on WW1 and WW2 but this was a very good read I thought.
It is an excellent book

Derek Smith

45,656 posts

248 months

Sunday 9th February 2020
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MC Bodge said:
That sounds interesting. I found Beevor's book, Berlin: The Downfall similar. One atrocity after another, with horrendous retribution against the non fighting people.

War is not glamorous and the mythologising of WW2 (fought by their parents) by older English people is often very distasteful.
You point is emphasised in the book. 8 May was not the end of the killing.

You can understand those in concentration camps turning on their guards. You can understand those who liberated the camps turning a blind eye. In the book it mentions a soldier shooting a guard in the legs and then leaving him to the inmates. The Americans fought their way into the first camp they liberated so, with their blood up, you can empathise with their immediate response when seeing the horror. I met a Fleet Air Arm chap who was interred in Libya by the French. They were not the nicest of captors. When liberated, and staying on a British ship in the harbour, someone returned to the camp and killed the commandant. This was not the chap who was chatting to us.

A couple of years later, PIRA terrorists murdered him for no particular reason. The same sort of mindset, that of their desires overwhelming simple moral behaviour, is what was seen in post war Europe but magnified hundreds of times.

Lowe tries to explain why he thinks the carnage has been ignored, swept under the carpet. Everyone was at it. The war was at an end, but ethnic cleansing, what the Germans did in their camps, escalated. Civilians had to march hundreds of miles, without food, shelter or extra clothing, through hostile locals, to get to a location that was devastated and suffering from its own problems, most notably too many mouths to feed. The horror didn't fit the narrative.

The saviour in all of this was the USA and Marshall Aid. They did it for their own political reasons, but they did it.

Tony Angelino

1,972 posts

113 months

Sunday 9th February 2020
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4 books down so far this year:

This is Going To Hurt
The Nightmare Before Christmas
Strangeways - A Prison Officers Story
Fifty Dead Men Walking (about a young lad working for Special Branch whilst an active IRA member)

Just moved on to these as I like to have a couple on the go:

A Short History Of Nearly Everything
12 Rules For Life


yoshisdad

411 posts

171 months

Monday 10th February 2020
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Saw this at The Classic Car Show at the NEC and dropped enough hints that my lovely wife bought it for Xmas.
I enjoyed it a lot. First book I have read cover to cover in a while. Made me think, made me laugh and what else are books for?

Plus it's written by a PHer!

coppice

8,607 posts

144 months

Monday 10th February 2020
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Guilty ...and I'm so glad you enjoyed it.

droopsnoot

11,933 posts

242 months

Monday 10th February 2020
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I've just finished "The Dead Room" by Chris Mooney, a good read although the crime scene tech is a bit Silent-Witness like in getting involved with other stuff for historical reasons. Good, though, and much easier to read than my previous choice.

Captain Smerc

3,021 posts

116 months

Monday 10th February 2020
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This


Followed by



seems appropriate given the news...

droopsnoot

11,933 posts

242 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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I've just read "Pig Island" by Mo Hayder, which was a bit different. Writer trying to do a feature on an obscure cult living on a Scottish island, where a mysterious beast has been spotted. (ETA - makes it sound weirder than it actually is. It's a decent read.)

The Hypno-Toad

12,281 posts

205 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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Just finished "My Greatest Defeat" by Will Buxton

Anyone who is even remotely interested in any form of motorsport should read this book. Some truly amazing stories from a selection of very candid interviews from the biggest names in racing, describing how they recovered from massive set backs in their lives and careers. Some of them you will probably have some knowledge of already but others are absolute eye-openers. The book is worth reading just for Ari Vatanen's story. I would be fascinated to know who turned the author down and who will turn up in any possible volume II.

Highly recommended. 9/10.

(point off only for the slightly distracting portraits.)

denn69

64 posts

51 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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Words of Radiance (Stormlight Archives). 10/10. It's the best series I've read in a while, and maybe of all time. The fantasy world-building is amazing and there's so many cool, small details in the scenery and culture that are delightful. The characters are so believable and distinctive, and the magic system is uniquely creative.

K12beano

20,854 posts

275 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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denn69 said:
Words of Radiance (Stormlight Archives). 10/10. It's the best series I've read in a while, and maybe of all time. The fantasy world-building is amazing and there's so many cool, small details in the scenery and culture that are delightful. The characters are so believable and distinctive, and the magic system is uniquely creative.
Well - that sounds interesting! Or it may just be the way you tell ‘em!

I presume one should start at the beginning? “Way of Kings”, isn’t it?

PugwasHDJ80

7,529 posts

221 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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K12beano said:
denn69 said:
Words of Radiance (Stormlight Archives). 10/10. It's the best series I've read in a while, and maybe of all time. The fantasy world-building is amazing and there's so many cool, small details in the scenery and culture that are delightful. The characters are so believable and distinctive, and the magic system is uniquely creative.
Well - that sounds interesting! Or it may just be the way you tell ‘em!

I presume one should start at the beginning? “Way of Kings”, isn’t it?
I'd agree with that review- one of my favourites- complex characters and an interesting world.

i'm currently reading the Macro and Cato Roman legionary series and still enjoying them hugely.

CopperBolt

803 posts

67 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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The Cruel Sea - Nicholas Monsarrat

Fancied a change of setting after Leviathan Wakes.

Only 40 or so pages in so not much happening yet but readable and have hopes.

MC Bodge

21,628 posts

175 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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The Runner: Four Years Living and Running in the Wilderness, Markus Torgeby.

Interesting to me, as I share some of his views and interests. Quite uplifting at times.

Goaty Bill 2

3,407 posts

119 months

Monday 24th February 2020
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'Cancer Ward' Volumes one and two by Alexandr Solzhenitsyn
Translation: Nicholas Bethell and David Burg
Publisher: The Bodley Head, 1968

My first editions


These excellent first edition copies have been sitting on my shelf for some time and I finally got around to them.

A semi-autobiographical novel, set in winter/spring 1954/5, based upon Solzhenitsyn's experiences while being treated for cancer, in Tashkent, following his release from Gulag / sharashka and exile to South Kazakhstan.
(Solzhenitsyn's time in the sharashka is the subject of 'In The First Circle'.)

While the principal character, Kostoglotov, is the subject of much of the story, Solzhenitsyn explores many of the novel's characters in great depth; both the patients and the medical staff and even the cleaners. The patient's cancers, and how they cope, or not, with their circumstances, the lives the staff are forced to live, many of which are hundreds miles from their original homes.
Invariably there is a fair amount of dialogue between the patients on conditions in the Soviet Union and the principles of socialism and Marxism.

It includes a remarkable amount of detail on the various forms of cancer being treated and the treatments in use at the time, but for all the divergences (of sorts) to bring in the details of the various characters' lives and the treatments, the story holds together extremely well and flows easily from page to page.

Some readers have commented that they either found part 2 to be less interesting than part 1, or that they simply "couldn't get into it", but I suspect this is more often a result of a gap between reading the two parts.
The extended conversation between Kostoglotov and Shulubin in part two is especially note worthy.
I found the second part initially held my attention almost as well as the first, and improved rapidly to equal the first part, but would definitely recommend having both parts in hand before beginning.

As always, 'The Gulag Archipelago' excepted, Solzhenitsyn manages to give a clear insight into life in Soviet Russia without preaching, and regularly presenting the views and arguments of those that were much in favour of the state as it existed.


RC1807

12,532 posts

168 months

Monday 24th February 2020
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Ploughing through Michael Connelly's Bosch novels at the moment, currently reading The Crossing.

I took a break from Bosch whilst on holiday recently, and read Sandi Toksvig's "Between the Stops", which raised more than a chuckle along the way.

Stuart70

3,935 posts

183 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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Just finished Charles Cumming’s, “The Man Between”.
I wouldn’t. I did, so you don’t have to; written in the style of an emotionally backward adolescent fanboi of John LeCarre.
Could be a reason for that, I guess.

I suspect this is what you get for a multi book deal and a deadline. I hope so, because if this is the best he can do...
Sorry to be so negative, but it really was that bad.