Snow Chains, do I need em on a Discovery 3 ???

Snow Chains, do I need em on a Discovery 3 ???

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robm3

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4,727 posts

189 months

Tuesday 27th November 2007
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Heading off to the snow fields of France and just wondering if I need snow chains or not as the Disco does have a selectable Snow Mode.
Anyone know if you do or not?

Hooli

32,278 posts

162 months

Tuesday 27th November 2007
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depends how much grip you've got.
the snow mode should maximise the grip avalible on the snow but chains will give a higher maximum grip level.
have you got the optional locking diff in the rear? (i dont know which models have it) because that'd help as well.
id suspect you'd get away without chains unless your trying to drive on fresh loose snow if im honest. never needed them when playing offroad in the snow in a D1, although that was on knobbly tyres.

ewenm

28,506 posts

207 months

Tuesday 27th November 2007
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Don't the French police get a bit antsy if you drive to resorts without at least having the chains?

pugwash4x4

7,239 posts

183 months

Tuesday 27th November 2007
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yes you need snow chains

snow mode controls ride height, engine response, throttle response, difflock control, ABS etc etc; what snow mode does NOT do is improve the co-efficient of grip between your tyres and the road surface. With british summer tyres (and i include off road biased on road tyres) you have no chance of getting the levels of grip required in order to cope with snowy/icy roads.

if you get stuck in the snow/ice then the ONLY thing that will get you out are increased grip levels provided by snow chains. Whenever i drive a 4x4 or AWD vehicle in the alps i carry 2 sets of chains as i feel very strongly that 4x4s are much safer with all 4 tyres chained up. if you only have one set then i would suggest you use them on the front, this is in complete contrast to the manufacturers recommendations. however i feeel you get much more control with the fronts chained up BUT if stuff goes wrong then having nothing on the rear will get you into a lot of trouble very quickly.


fatboy18

18,449 posts

173 months

Tuesday 27th November 2007
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Rules is rules, depending on where you are going, if is snows what normally happens is that a police officer will be waiting at the start of a mountain road and will not let you up it unless you put your chains on. However, you can also get studded tyres which are great. But if youre driving down from the UK there wont be much of a stud left! Snow chains are available to hire in the UK, but often its just as cheap to buy them. Last year I drove my Vivaro Van down to Austria, I bought a set of brand new snow chains off ebay and yes, did not have to use them!....But who knows whats in store this season? If you dont get a set, sods law it will bucket down with snow and you will have to buy a set at a costly price! Better to buy a set off ebay, and if you do not use them you can always sell them on thumbup Have a great season smile Im off to Morzine soon woohoo

Edited by fatboy18 on Tuesday 27th November 22:19

agent006

11,722 posts

226 months

Tuesday 27th November 2007
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robm3 said:
Anyone know if you do or not?
Rather depends on what tyres you've got on it.

RobDickinson

30,793 posts

216 months

Tuesday 27th November 2007
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Snow Chains >>>>>>>> tyres in snow. Or mud btw.

If there isnt a good covering you wont be using chains anyhow, on road you need to go slow and not very far.

Unless you have 2 sets it effectivly turns your 4WD into 2WD, put them on the front for going up, back for going down if its steep, watch out for strut suspension cars/4x4's where you cant fit them to the front.

Also go for diamond pattern over ladder. There a pain to fit and mucky but for me the only way of getting up the mountains on fresh powder days! biggrin

Stu R

21,410 posts

177 months

Tuesday 27th November 2007
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essential in parts of the french alps and the surrounding areas some years, this year seems to be one of the years where you'd be a bit daft not to if the snow reports are accurate.

fish

3,892 posts

244 months

Tuesday 27th November 2007
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You can always buy from Halfords keep the reciept and if you don't need to unpack them.....

Not that I suggetsed that of course.

Denis O

2,101 posts

205 months

Tuesday 27th November 2007
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I shall be coming back to the UK via Mont Blanc tunnel on 28th December using main roads all the way. Will I need chains on a Disco 2?

964Cup

953 posts

199 months

Tuesday 27th November 2007
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I've not needed chains on my Rangie through two Alpine seasons (we overwinter in Courmayeur). If you've got the standard fit 18s with M+S tyres you'll be fine. If it's blinged-up and you've ruined the ride, you've only yourself to blame :-) and will need chains (or a second set of wheels).

The cops only insist on chains on 4x4s, in my experience, if you don't have proper winter tyres. Remember that chains only help accelerative traction (they go on the rear wheels). Chains + summer tyres = extreme care downhill. I started fitting winter tyres after an "interesting" experience in an S6 on summer tyres where I slid down the road that leads down to the main lift in Courma with my front wheels at 90 degrees to the direction of travel, 4wd of course making no difference.

Winter tyres are night and day compared to summer ones on snow. You rarely need chains even with rwd, unless the snow is soft and deep.




Stu R

21,410 posts

177 months

Wednesday 28th November 2007
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Denis O said:
I shall be coming back to the UK via Mont Blanc tunnel on 28th December using main roads all the way. Will I need chains on a Disco 2?
I doubt it, I did it in a rear wheel drive skyline with no traction control and didn't see anything other than standing water on the toll roads / major roads.

964Cup

953 posts

199 months

Wednesday 28th November 2007
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Stu R said:
Denis O said:
I shall be coming back to the UK via Mont Blanc tunnel on 28th December using main roads all the way. Will I need chains on a Disco 2?
I doubt it, I did it in a rear wheel drive skyline with no traction control and didn't see anything other than standing water on the toll roads / major roads.
If it's properly snowed, the first bit down from the tunnel on the French side can be white. Otherwise, frankly, the worst conditions I've seen on that route were in a snowstorm outside Dijon of all places, where there was about three inches of hard-packed snow on the carriageway and various people slid off, including the friends we were travelling with, who contrived to have a big accident (thankfully without injury to them, although their car was toast). It was the first year I used winter tyres, and I've never been more thankful for them.

Mars

7,204 posts

176 months

Wednesday 28th November 2007
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Can't comment about snow in particular, but a mate has a Disco3, the TDV6 model, HSE I think. Anyway, he trailered his extreme Landy to a quarry fun day. This car has all the spuddy tyres, suspension lifts and locking diffs. After they'd all finished, he tried the Disco3 on road tyres only to find it would go everywhere the extreme Landys would go, and a couple of places even they *couldn't* go.

Tat Disco3 is a hell of a competent offroader. I suspect if you bothered to put some Winter tyres on it, it'd cope well up and down a ski-run.

Denis O

2,101 posts

205 months

Wednesday 28th November 2007
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Mars said:
it'd cope well up and down a ski-run.
Now that could be funeek Eddie the Landrover.

It's running 18" AT2's which are almost brand new. In essence it's completely standard. Is there not a legal requirement to at least have chains with you...just in case.

robm3

Original Poster:

4,727 posts

189 months

Wednesday 28th November 2007
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Thanks for the info all.
LR want £329 plus VAT for the chains, anyone know of any cheaper one's out there??

I will most likely get and then fit to the front once in the mountains.

Cheers,
Robin.

robm3

Original Poster:

4,727 posts

189 months

Wednesday 28th November 2007
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robm3 said:
Thanks for the info all.
LR want £329 plus VAT for the chains, anyone know of any cheaper one's out there??

I will most likely get and then fit to the front once in the mountains.

Cheers,
Robin.
Hold that thought, ebay is way cheaper!!

Huntsman

7,201 posts

212 months

Wednesday 28th November 2007
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robm3 said:
robm3 said:
Thanks for the info all.
LR want £329 plus VAT for the chains, anyone know of any cheaper one's out there??

I will most likely get and then fit to the front once in the mountains.

Cheers,
Robin.
Hold that thought, ebay is way cheaper!!
Do you have a local Towsure? They sell them.


Zod

35,295 posts

220 months

Wednesday 28th November 2007
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964Cup said:
Winter tyres are night and day compared to summer ones on snow. You rarely need chains even with rwd, unless the snow is soft and deep.
You do in an M5! Winter tyres are fine on thin snow or packed snow, but anything else with a gradient and you need the chains.

agent006

11,722 posts

226 months

Wednesday 28th November 2007
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Zod said:
You do in an M5! Winter tyres are fine on thin snow or packed snow, but anything else with a gradient and you need the chains.
M5 will need Winter wheels too to make any decent headway in thick snow. Deap treaded snow (or even Mud/Snow) tyres will be all you need on a discovery. All for probably less than LR want for their chains.