Penalty point on licence for littering WTF

[mattmoxon]

10 Pence Short said:

I think it's entirely right and reasonable that people who throw litter from moving cars are given penalty points.

There is no justification whatsoever for disposing of your rubbish in that way and, in reality, since when did it become safe to throw things from a moving vehicle?

Why should the car driver/owner be punished for someone else's actions? If the driver is concentrating on driving their car how can the driver stop somone from opening a window and chucking something out? Why should the driver be punished if the person who did it won't own up to it?

There may be no excuse for chucking litter out of a car and if the driver did it then fair enough but punishing the driver for somone else's actions is just wrong.

Matt

Edited by mattmoxon on Thursday 9th July 08:55

[Munter]

kambites said:

10 Pence Short said:

I think it's entirely right and reasonable that people who throw litter from moving cars are given penalty points.

There is no justification whatsoever for disposing of your rubbish in that way and, in reality, since when did it become safe to throw things from a moving vehicle?

I don't disagree, but surely they should be able to use existing dangerous driving laws to cover that?

I was thinking Due Care and Attention. Clearly throwing things out of the window of a car is not driving with due care.

[jimpritchard]

time to leave this ridiculous country......

[edwardsje]

10 Pence Short said:

I think it's entirely right and reasonable that people who throw litter from moving cars are given penalty points.

There is no justification whatsoever for disposing of your rubbish in that way and, in reality, since when did it become safe to throw things from a moving vehicle?

[10 Pence Short]

mattmoxon said:

10 Pence Short said:

I think it's entirely right and reasonable that people who throw litter from moving cars are given penalty points.

There is no justification whatsoever for disposing of your rubbish in that way and, in reality, since when did it become safe to throw things from a moving vehicle?

Why should the car driver/owner be punished for someone else's actions? If the driver is concentrating on driving their car how can the driver stop somone from opening a window and chucking something out? Why should the driver be punished if the person who did it won't own up to it?

There may be no excuse for chucking litter out of a car and if the driver did it then fair enough but punishing the driver for somone else's actions is just wrong.

Matt

Edited by mattmoxon on Thursday 9th July 08:55

I didn't suggest punishing the driver if a passenger throws things from their car.

In that instance, if the passenger has a licence, theirs should be endorsed. If the passenger doesn't have a licence, do what is done with other unlicenced drivers commiting Rad Traffic offences and create a ghost licence with points on it. That way they are still fined the same as a licenced driver and still have the points if they get a licence before the expiry.

[Bluebarge]

mattmoxon said:

10 Pence Short said:

I think it's entirely right and reasonable that people who throw litter from moving cars are given penalty points.

There is no justification whatsoever for disposing of your rubbish in that way and, in reality, since when did it become safe to throw things from a moving vehicle?

Why should the car driver/owner be punished for someone else's actions? If the driver is concentrating on driving their car how can the driver stop somone from opening a window and chucking something out? Why should the driver be punished if the person who did it won't own up to it?

There may be no excuse for chucking litter out of a car and if the driver did it then fair enough but punishing the driver for somone else's actions is just wrong.

Matt

Edited by mattmoxon on Thursday 9th July 08:55

If the driver doesn't notice something flying out of either side of his car, he's driving without due care and attention. If he does notice, he should stop and make the littering scrote pick his rubbish up, and then walk the rest of the way home. That goes for "biodegradable" rubbish as well - I don't see why someone else's country walk should be spoiled by rotting refuse left behind by lazy chavs.

[JJCW]

edwardsje said:

10 Pence Short said:

I think it's entirely right and reasonable that people who throw litter from moving cars are given penalty points.

There is no justification whatsoever for disposing of your rubbish in that way and, in reality, since when did it become safe to throw things from a moving vehicle?

Definately.

Although i'm not sure about apple cores etc.

[mattmoxon]

10 Pence Short said:

I didn't suggest punishing the driver if a passenger throws things from their car.

No you didn't , but that is what the article suggests - which was the point I was raising.

Bluebarge said:

mattmoxon said:

10 Pence Short said:

I think it's entirely right and reasonable that people who throw litter from moving cars are given penalty points.

There is no justification whatsoever for disposing of your rubbish in that way and, in reality, since when did it become safe to throw things from a moving vehicle?

Why should the car driver/owner be punished for someone else's actions? If the driver is concentrating on driving their car how can the driver stop somone from opening a window and chucking something out? Why should the driver be punished if the person who did it won't own up to it?

There may be no excuse for chucking litter out of a car and if the driver did it then fair enough but punishing the driver for somone else's actions is just wrong.

Matt

Edited by mattmoxon on Thursday 9th July 08:55

If the driver doesn't notice something flying out of either side of his car, he's driving without due care and attention. If he does notice, he should stop and make the littering scrote pick his rubbish up, and then walk the rest of the way home. That goes for "biodegradable" rubbish as well - I don't see why someone else's country walk should be spoiled by rotting refuse left behind by lazy chavs.

You would notice but only at the point where the offence has already been committed, i.e. you'd notice the window open. I personally would do just as you had suggested I have no time for littering scrotes but the potential that the driver should be punished for someone else's intercession is wrong.

I have my own way of dealing with this I carry carrier bags on long journeys to bag up any rubbish that may accumulate.

Matt

[williamp]

...and heaven forbid you could explain to a passenger before you start the journey that "this is for ruibbish. Dont be a chav and throw it out of the window".

[Marcellus]

Drivers Licence is a Licence for driving and if you're driving falls below the required standard then it should be endorsed...


Come on guys surely a drivers licence shouldn't be used as the method to penalise individuals for non driving related misdemeaners (sp?)... yes littering is bad, yes the UK needs to start to care and reduce it BUT is endorsing drivers licence really the appropriate way??

[JJCW]

Marcellus said:

Come on guys surely a drivers licence shouldn't be used as the method to penalise individuals for non driving related misdemeaners (sp?)...

How is throwing rubbish from your car while driving, not a driving related misdemeanour?

[esselte]

JJCW said:

Marcellus said:

Come on guys surely a drivers licence shouldn't be used as the method to penalise individuals for non driving related misdemeaners (sp?)...

How is throwing rubbish from your car while driving, not a driving related misdemeanour?

If you're not the one doing it? Is a bus driver going to be held responsible for what his passengers do as well?

Edited by esselte on Thursday 9th July 09:56

[Marcellus]

My view is that littering is more of a social/civil offence...... totally unacceptable yes but is dropping a fag butt/apple core etc etc really "dangerous driving" or "driving without due care"?? surely it could be further argued that by forcing a driver to take their eyes off the road to find the pull out ash tray to stub the fag out making sure no cinders land on the carpet is more dangerous than one being dropped out of the window?

[Adrian Gumball]

I actually agree on this one chaps.

1 point for littering will sort stop people leaving Mcdonalds bags etc everywhere in parking bays etc.

AG

[Marcellus]

Fine the fkers by all means but confiscate their licence if it tots them over?

Will it really reduce the amount of litter that gets dropped in the street?

As I appear to be a voice of one i'll

[TimmyWimmyWoo]

I'm all for the litterer being punished somehow – I've lost track of the amount of times I've had cigarette butts flicked out carelessly as I'm riding past on my bike.

[Munter]

Marcellus said:

My view is that littering is more of a social/civil offence...... totally unacceptable yes but is dropping a fag butt/apple core etc etc really "dangerous driving" or "driving without due care"?? surely it could be further argued that by forcing a driver to take their eyes off the road to find the pull out ash tray to stub the fag out making sure no cinders land on the carpet is more dangerous than one being dropped out of the window?

If it's that much of a pita not to throw butts out the window should they be smoking while driving?

Is it dangerous. Yes. Particularly if it's something on fire thats not stubbed out 1st!

[Stu_00]

Anyone throwing litter and especially cigarettes should have to spend 10 days picking up rubbish from the side of the road.

Simply unacceptable unless it’s biodegradable, then I have more sympathy

[M400 NBL]

Is it possible for the OP to add a poll?

[Dracoro]

Whether you are driving a car or not should be irrelevant.

There should be on-the-spot fines for littering full stop. Whether you are in a car, walking down the high street etc. should be neither here nor there.

And it should be the person doing the littering that's fined, not the driver.

Common sense needs to be applied too. e.g. if a child throws/drops litter and the parent doesn't see (unless they are these parents with eyes in the back of their heads! ) then a police officer seeing this should apply some discretion and so on.