Lewis Hamilton
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Kraken said:
It used to be something that took a great deal of energy to get and was a once in a while treat. I know many people who have to have meat with every single meal including breakfast. That's not good for them or the planet but we've evolved into a race where too many only eat potatoes and meat.
Quite. The French eat meat and carbs at least twice a day. They cook with endless oil, butter and cream. They break every rule that our wise UK dieticians support.We must simply ignore the fact that they also live longer - in spite of getting it all wrong. And then we have the Mediterranean's... People that eat delicious highly seasoned food and prefer red meat (albeit with plenty of fish too) and live even longer.
I suspect that technically the perfect diet might yield a little extra life expectancy. But I also suspect that not worrying too much about day to day things such as what you eat will reduce stress and give an even bigger boost to life expectancy.
I think in Lewis's case his love of the vegan lifestyle is probably because it is less intrusive on your day to day life than eating richer stuff... Also he's a public icon and of course is smart enough to tow the popular line.
TheDeuce said:
Quite. The French eat meat and carbs at least twice a day. They cook with endless oil, butter and cream. They break every rule that our wise UK dieticians support.
We must simply ignore the fact that they also live longer - in spite of getting it all wrong. And then we have the Mediterranean's... People that eat delicious highly seasoned food and prefer red meat (albeit with plenty of fish too) and live even longer.
I suspect that technically the perfect diet might yield a little extra life expectancy. But I also suspect that not worrying too much about day to day things such as what you eat will reduce stress and give an even bigger boost to life expectancy.
I think in Lewis's case his love of the vegan lifestyle is probably because it is less intrusive on your day to day life than eating richer stuff... Also he's a public icon and of course is smart enough to tow the popular line.
Seems odd to suggest that he, or any athlete, would go vegan to ‘toe’ any popular line. I think that’s back to front.We must simply ignore the fact that they also live longer - in spite of getting it all wrong. And then we have the Mediterranean's... People that eat delicious highly seasoned food and prefer red meat (albeit with plenty of fish too) and live even longer.
I suspect that technically the perfect diet might yield a little extra life expectancy. But I also suspect that not worrying too much about day to day things such as what you eat will reduce stress and give an even bigger boost to life expectancy.
I think in Lewis's case his love of the vegan lifestyle is probably because it is less intrusive on your day to day life than eating richer stuff... Also he's a public icon and of course is smart enough to tow the popular line.
MPC09 said:
I've never understood this concept: if you're a veggie/vegan (or whatever else you might be) why would you try and copy and emulate the very thing you're avoiding? The old dear is a veggie and she's quite content avoiding all products like veggie sausages/burgers and all of the other pseudo crap that people feel the need to market. Strange bunch.
Some people like the taste of meat but don’t like the impact of farming or the ethical issues... so you get burgers that taste and smell meat. But equally, you get vege’ and vegan burgers / or the like, that don’t smell or taste like meat; it’s purely the form factor that’s being referenced. Not particularly hard to understand, I don’t think. Poppiecock said:
vdn said:
Lewis says he’s performing better than ever on a vegan diet and he’s not the only one... it’s the future and as usual, he's ahead of the curve.
I swear if he told you to eat your firstborn you'd agree it was the best idea ever and he was 'ahead of the curve'!Have you thought of therapy to deal with your, frankly, near stalker-ish obsession?
But don’t let me stop you ranting
vdn said:
MPC09 said:
I've never understood this concept: if you're a veggie/vegan (or whatever else you might be) why would you try and copy and emulate the very thing you're avoiding? The old dear is a veggie and she's quite content avoiding all products like veggie sausages/burgers and all of the other pseudo crap that people feel the need to market. Strange bunch.
Some people like the taste of meat but don’t like the impact of farming or the ethical issues... so you get burgers that taste and smell meat. But equally, you get vege’ and vegan burgers / or the like, that don’t smell or taste like meat; it’s purely the form factor that’s being referenced. Not particularly hard to understand, I don’t think. And it's nowhere near as ethical as most vegans would have you believe - all their nut milk and soy protein is causing damage elsewhere and racking up food miles to get to them. There have even been controls put into place on avocados as the current hipster tosser trend was forcing prices out of the range of the indigenous populations who live on them.
It's virtue signalling at its finest.
Poppiecock said:
vdn said:
MPC09 said:
I've never understood this concept: if you're a veggie/vegan (or whatever else you might be) why would you try and copy and emulate the very thing you're avoiding? The old dear is a veggie and she's quite content avoiding all products like veggie sausages/burgers and all of the other pseudo crap that people feel the need to market. Strange bunch.
Some people like the taste of meat but don’t like the impact of farming or the ethical issues... so you get burgers that taste and smell meat. But equally, you get vege’ and vegan burgers / or the like, that don’t smell or taste like meat; it’s purely the form factor that’s being referenced. Not particularly hard to understand, I don’t think. And it's nowhere near as ethical as most vegans would have you believe - all their nut milk and soy protein is causing damage elsewhere and racking up food miles to get to them. There have even been controls put into place on avocados as the current hipster tosser trend was forcing prices out of the range of the indigenous populations who live on them.
It's virtue signalling at its finest.
Meat / animal agriculture is a massive problem. Animals bred for slaughter / livestock also eat plants and soya, remember, and relatively speaking per calorie; are the most inefficient form of farming and food consumption. Not even accounting for land use and water use.
When you say ‘vegans are doing this’ or ‘vegans are doing that’ - you display an embarrassing amount of naivety; only embarrassing because your bold tone hides the untruths. The truth is that, some vegans are doing as you suggest but actually; a lot of major corporations and non vegan entities are creating the produce you’re describing. The demand is there for food that smells and tastes like meat but does not have the environmental impact or indeed the ethical issues tied to it; whether you like that or not; or if it bothers you is irrelevant. Hell, the largest meat producer in America is investing in alternative meats and lab grown technology because that’s the future. Many vegans actually hate the produce you speak of because it is indeed too close to meat for it to be enjoyable, for them and so like many things in life; there’s a myriad of approaches to a vegan diet but you’re assuming there’s only one.
Well, unless you're living on vegetable proteins harvested within the confines of the UK, you're probably racking up more food miles than a large proportion of my meat eating does.
If we didn't farm and eat cattle, sheep and pigs, turning them out into the wild, we'd soon be overrun by them and be culling them to stop them destroying the countryside!
If we didn't farm and eat cattle, sheep and pigs, turning them out into the wild, we'd soon be overrun by them and be culling them to stop them destroying the countryside!
Poppiecock said:
Well, unless you're living on vegetable proteins harvested within the confines of the UK, you're probably racking up more food miles than a large proportion of my meat eating does.
If we didn't farm and eat cattle, sheep and pigs, turning them out into the wild, we'd soon be overrun by them and be culling them to stop them destroying the countryside!
The fact is that meat consumption must drop considerably; for many reasons; our growing species cannot be sustained in the way it is. The meat producers themselves know this. If we didn't farm and eat cattle, sheep and pigs, turning them out into the wild, we'd soon be overrun by them and be culling them to stop them destroying the countryside!
Regard being overrun; that’s another mistruth oft repeated. The way it would work in reality is that on a larger scale; the animals would not be bred into existence in the first place. They only exist because a farmer has placed his arm up the anus of an animal and inserted semen into them. The animals do not naturally exist... they’ve even been selectively bred for monetary gain; there’s nothing actually natural about any of it. That’s the irony! Now, if the world were to suddenly - at the very same moment, go vegan; then yes you’d be right about being overrun - but that won’t happen, of course. And so, over time; as demands shift, ‘production’ would also.
For the record; do other farming practices / produce have a negative impact on the environment? Yes, they do. I agree. Ethically; there are some different debates however. But what we’re seeing is that meat; cattle in particular is by far the worst and things need to change.
Anyway; it’s all interesting stuff but I have more pressing matters. I have to go and iron my Lewis Hamilton pyjamas!
- clicks on thread titled "Lewis Hamilton" *
Poppiecock said:
If you really believed in the ethics, then stand by it and stop trying to emulate it. Vegans are spending lots of time and effort even trying to get vegan 'meat' to bleed.
vdn said:
They only exist because a farmer has placed his arm up the anus of an animal and inserted semen into them.
Oh. Oh that wasn't what i expected at all.Edited by HardtopManual on Friday 30th August 22:38
vdn said:
Poppiecock said:
Well, unless you're living on vegetable proteins harvested within the confines of the UK, you're probably racking up more food miles than a large proportion of my meat eating does.
If we didn't farm and eat cattle, sheep and pigs, turning them out into the wild, we'd soon be overrun by them and be culling them to stop them destroying the countryside!
The fact is that meat consumption must drop considerably; for many reasons; our growing species cannot be sustained in the way it is. The meat producers themselves know this. If we didn't farm and eat cattle, sheep and pigs, turning them out into the wild, we'd soon be overrun by them and be culling them to stop them destroying the countryside!
Regard being overrun; that’s another mistruth oft repeated. The way it would work in reality is that on a larger scale; the animals would not be bred into existence in the first place. They only exist because a farmer has placed his arm up the anus of an animal and inserted semen into them. The animals do not naturally exist... they’ve even been selectively bred for monetary gain; there’s nothing actually natural about any of it. That’s the irony! Now, if the world were to suddenly - at the very same moment, go vegan; then yes you’d be right about being overrun - but that won’t happen, of course. And so, over time; as demands shift, ‘production’ would also.
For the record; do other farming practices / produce have a negative impact on the environment? Yes, they do. I agree. Ethically; there are some different debates however. But what we’re seeing is that meat; cattle in particular is by far the worst and things need to change.
Anyway; it’s all interesting stuff but I have more pressing matters. I have to go and iron my Lewis Hamilton pyjamas!
t (or manually inserted semen if you prefer ..)This website is getting more and more like Mumsnet/Momentum/Snowflake central every day ...
paulguitar said:
Poppiecock said:
It's almost as if the human as a species is genetically designed to seek out and eat meat.
We certainly were that way, for tens of millions of years.However, we are evolving, as a species.
There will always be exceptions, of course.
I don’t we’re evolving to be vegans except as a matter of personal choice for a relatively few snowflakes. To suggest otherwise indicates a complete ignorance of the concept of evolution.
Poppiecock said:
vdn said:
They only exist because a farmer has placed his arm up the anus of an animal and inserted semen into them.
Well, at least we now have concrete proof that the LH fanboys haven't 'experienced' the female of the species!HardtopManual said:
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Poppiecock said:
If you really believed in the ethics, then stand by it and stop trying to emulate it. Vegans are spending lots of time and effort even trying to get vegan 'meat' to bleed.
vdn said:
They only exist because a farmer has placed his arm up the anus of an animal and inserted semen into them.
Oh. Oh that wasn't what i expected at all.Edited by HardtopManual on Friday 30th August 22:38
vdn said:
Poppiecock said:
vdn said:
They only exist because a farmer has placed his arm up the anus of an animal and inserted semen into them.
Well, at least we now have concrete proof that the LH fanboys haven't 'experienced' the female of the species!85Carrera said:
paulguitar said:
Poppiecock said:
It's almost as if the human as a species is genetically designed to seek out and eat meat.
We certainly were that way, for tens of millions of years.However, we are evolving, as a species.
There will always be exceptions, of course.
I don’t we’re evolving to be vegans except as a matter of personal choice for a relatively few snowflakes. To suggest otherwise indicates a complete ignorance of the concept of evolution.
Both in your method of quoting and the assertions made
vdn said:
The fact is that meat consumption must drop considerably; for many reasons; our growing species cannot be sustained in the way it is. The meat producers themselves know this.
Or we could stop breeding ourselves of course (which, if you think reproduction involves inserting semen in the anus, is probably going to happen). Or engage in cannibalism and kill two problems with one stone ... there's always more than one answer to a problemTheDeuce said:
Quite. The French eat meat and carbs at least twice a day. They cook with endless oil, butter and cream. They break every rule that our wise UK dieticians support.
We must simply ignore the fact that they also live longer - in spite of getting it all wrong. And then we have the Mediterranean's... People that eat delicious highly seasoned food and prefer red meat (albeit with plenty of fish too) and live even longer.
There's a big difference between a diet with home cooked food and natural ingredients and one which is based around burgers, chicken nuggets, bacon, sausages and chips.We must simply ignore the fact that they also live longer - in spite of getting it all wrong. And then we have the Mediterranean's... People that eat delicious highly seasoned food and prefer red meat (albeit with plenty of fish too) and live even longer.
Flooble said:
vdn said:
The fact is that meat consumption must drop considerably; for many reasons; our growing species cannot be sustained in the way it is. The meat producers themselves know this.
Or we could stop breeding ourselves of course (which, if you think reproduction involves inserting semen in the anus, is probably going to happen). Or engage in cannibalism and kill two problems with one stone ... there's always more than one answer to a problem
It just goes to show how many people will speak on a subject they know absolutely nothing about.
PH is full is such people
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