Lewis Hamilton

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housen

1,906 posts

157 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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yeah hes gone cray


and lets just admit america is a st country and this stuff is the norm


doesn't make it right


but why is everyone surprised this is happening ? just because its classed as a 1st world country ?

glazbagun

11,652 posts

162 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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TheDeuce said:
I don't disagree with any of that.. but to imply people are racist just for not going out of their way to say the right thing is a bit strong imo.
The sport was in Bahrain the year after the state was killing protestors in the street and in Russia the same year they invaded Ukraine. F1 has always been pretty amoral.

TheDeuce

9,201 posts

31 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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glazbagun said:
The sport was in Bahrain the year after the state was killing protestors in the street and in Russia the same year they invaded Ukraine. F1 has always been pretty amoral.
I think F1 is just focussed on racing. Which is fair enough.

Obviously like all outfits it 'could' it's influence in endless helpful ways, but imo it's nice when that happens, not a criticism if it doesn't though.


anonymous-user

19 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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TheDeuce said:
glazbagun said:
The sport was in Bahrain the year after the state was killing protestors in the street and in Russia the same year they invaded Ukraine. F1 has always been pretty amoral.
I think F1 is just focussed on racing. Which is fair enough.

Obviously like all outfits it 'could' it's influence in endless helpful ways, but imo it's nice when that happens, not a criticism if it doesn't though.
No, F1’s focussed on the money. If it were the racing they were interested in they would never have gone or go to some of the places they do.

It’s always been the money.

As for Hamilton, does he really think the personalities involved have any influence? Most of the world have no idea who they are.

Muzzer79

4,708 posts

152 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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TheDeuce said:
glazbagun said:
The sport was in Bahrain the year after the state was killing protestors in the street and in Russia the same year they invaded Ukraine. F1 has always been pretty amoral.
I think F1 is just focussed on racing. Which is fair enough.
roflrofl

Yeah, just racing - nothing else.

The lorry-loads of cash that Bahrain, Russia and various other dubious countries park at F1's door is not their focus at all.

After all, it's about the racing heritage of these countries and clearly choosing the most exciting tracks with the most fans......rolleyes


Muzzer79

4,708 posts

152 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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REALIST123 said:
As for Hamilton, does he really think the personalities involved have any influence? Most of the world have no idea who they are.
Daniel Ricciardo has 1.8m Twitter followers

Max Verstappen has 1.1m followers

That's not small.



RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat

12,530 posts

60 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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I don't see anything wrong with influential sports people speaking out. However I also don't have a problem with them choosing not to.

I can understand how Hamilton may feel in some way isolated as the only black driver in a sport with very few BAME people involved at all, however I don't think his criticism of the other drivers is fair.

Have a feeling this year we're going to see unsettled and emotional Hamilton.

DeltonaS

3,164 posts

103 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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TheDeuce said:
I don't disagree with any of that.. but to imply people are racist just for not going out of their way to say the right thing is a bit strong imo.
It's typically Lil'Lewis.

Pathetic and melodramatic, trying to put himself on a pedestal, the moral high ground, over the back of his colleagues. Even making them suspect in the process.

Disingenuous opportunistic little man is what he is.


Jonesy23

4,650 posts

101 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
I can understand how Hamilton may feel in some way isolated as the only black driver in a sport with very few BAME people involved at all
Just out of interest, is anyone in the sport taking any initiative to do anything with this? I don't mean corporate efforts, I mean personal efforts around things like scholarships and sponsorships.

Just wondering if any of the concern extends beyond moaning about how terrible things are into spending actual cash money to change them.

768

8,584 posts

61 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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Not very graceful from Lewis.

Kraken

1,663 posts

165 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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Personally I really like the "modern" Lewis compared to the old corporate robot. I find myself agreeing with most of what he says these days and I can't help wondering how much longer he will be able to reconcile the odd world of F1 with his own beliefs.

Bo_apex

1,351 posts

183 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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Hamilton would benefit from studying some history before judging his peers.

Unfortunately the US has always behaved like a Police state. Very trigger happy towards all citizens.


majordad

3,378 posts

162 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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It’s biased because most of the crime is committed by Black Americans. This guy while not in any way deserving being killed was was not an Angel. At the same time I’m surprised the police Officer who was pictured kneeling on him , and the other officer , had fired their guns in lethal manner times before.

BrettMRC

2,040 posts

125 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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He's a world champion, of course he is self centred!

Bo_apex

1,351 posts

183 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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anonymous said:
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If you wish to focus on a selective part of US history then carry on.
Many of its biggest stars and highest earners are African Americans.

As you bring up the ethnicity element, what do you think about the way Mexicans are treated ?



Muzzer79

4,708 posts

152 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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majordad said:
It’s biased because most of the crime is committed by Black Americans. This guy while not in any way deserving being killed was was not an Angel.
I'm assuming that you are a white male.

If most crime was committed by white males, would you be OK with being restrained by way of a knee to the neck on suspicion of using a counterfeit $20 note, when non-white males were not treated this way?


paulguitar

11,244 posts

78 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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majordad said:
It’s biased because most of the crime is committed by Black Americans. This guy while not in any way deserving being killed was was not an Angel.
It's really very disappointing to read something like this.

F1GTRUeno

4,953 posts

183 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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anonymous said:
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Respectfully, that's utter bks.

Durzel

9,816 posts

133 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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What value do his F1 peers add by saying in unison "racism is really bad" ?

I get wanting people to speak out, but what does it add when they're stating the absolute obvious? The default position, I would assume and hope, is that all of the F1 drivers abhor systemic racism and want it gone. F1 drivers - white or not - don't strike me as a group of people who are remotely relevant in this, frankly.

What this movement needs is people in positions of power to make statements, and make real, substantial, lasting changes to the system. It ought to come down from the top but Trump is MIA. There is nothing to be gained whatsoever from random celebrities wading in telling us all that they're against racism. No st sherlock.

Muzzer79

4,708 posts

152 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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Durzel said:
What value do his F1 peers add by saying in unison "racism is really bad" ?

I get wanting people to speak out, but what does it add when they're stating the absolute obvious? The default position, I would assume and hope, is that all of the F1 drivers abhor systemic racism and want it gone. F1 drivers - white or not - don't strike me as a group of people who are remotely relevant in this, frankly.

What this movement needs is people in positions of power to make statements, and make real, substantial, lasting changes to the system. It ought to come down from the top but Trump is MIA. There is nothing to be gained whatsoever from random celebrities wading in telling us all that they're against racism. No st sherlock.
The point is that clearly to some people, it's not absolutely obvious. To change that, it requires as many people as possible from all backgrounds to advocate the message.
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