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TheDeuce

7,317 posts

24 months

Monday 1st June
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CoolHands said:
He’s spoken out about other issues in the past like plastic and animal welfare. Also we don’t know if behind the scenes he asked some people in the sport to speak out and they haven’t; which would then be a more deliberate act (for them) ie a choice.
Even if he has asked people, they have the right to choose not to do so without being branded by him.

Unless we're to support 'say what I want you to say or I'll attack you'?

Exige77

5,464 posts

149 months

Monday 1st June
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TheDeuce said:
CoolHands said:
He’s spoken out about other issues in the past like plastic and animal welfare. Also we don’t know if behind the scenes he asked some people in the sport to speak out and they haven’t; which would then be a more deliberate act (for them) ie a choice.
Even if he has asked people, they have the right to choose not to do so without being branded by him.

Unless we're to support 'say what I want you to say or I'll attack you'?
^^^^^What he said.

Fair play to Lewis for using his fame to highlight an issue he feels strongly about but shaming others is really not on.

Disappointed in him.

People highlighting the issue has also served to wip up the rioters and looters we have seen in recent nights.

Maybe many sports people want to just stay as sports people and not become political ?

It’s t rarely ends well for sports people earn the become political.


Mark-C

3,264 posts

163 months

Monday 1st June
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Muzzer79 said:
Durzel said:
What value do his F1 peers add by saying in unison "racism is really bad" ?

I get wanting people to speak out, but what does it add when they're stating the absolute obvious? The default position, I would assume and hope, is that all of the F1 drivers abhor systemic racism and want it gone. F1 drivers - white or not - don't strike me as a group of people who are remotely relevant in this, frankly.

What this movement needs is people in positions of power to make statements, and make real, substantial, lasting changes to the system. It ought to come down from the top but Trump is MIA. There is nothing to be gained whatsoever from random celebrities wading in telling us all that they're against racism. No st sherlock.
The point is that clearly to some people, it's not absolutely obvious. To change that, it requires as many people as possible from all backgrounds to advocate the message.
In an ideal world it wouldn't need the likes of Lewis (or the many other sports people that have made statements or shows of support this weekend) to say anything and the people in positions of responsibility would try and do something to make it look like they understood that "racism is really bad" ...

Nampahc Niloc

484 posts

36 months

Monday 1st June
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To clarify. I’ve got nothing against him speaking out. In fact good on him. What’s not right is to try and shame others for keeping their mouths shut.

DuckAvenger

267 posts

91 months

Monday 1st June
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Whatever is talk about in celeb-circles, there's always Hamilton, bit late but still. Is he still collecting plastic-rubbish, of course not. Just wait for the next week and next new trend. Surprised he isn't wearing Anonymous-mask. It was pretty big deal yesterday

TheDeuce

7,317 posts

24 months

Monday 1st June
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Nampahc Niloc said:
To clarify. I’ve got nothing against him speaking out. In fact good on him. What’s not right is to try and shame others for keeping their mouths shut.
Same. He's acting from a good place but taking to the public stage to shame people for not happening to have spoken publicly is poor. How many things have happened in the world that hasn't got round to speaking up about!?

Can't all rant about everything all the time. There wouldn't be any time left to drive a race car and earn the status to become 'a voice' in the first place!

North West Tom

10,950 posts

135 months

Monday 1st June
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Seb made the right choice staying well away from social media.

Muzzer79

3,814 posts

145 months

Monday 1st June
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TheDeuce said:
CoolHands said:
He’s spoken out about other issues in the past like plastic and animal welfare. Also we don’t know if behind the scenes he asked some people in the sport to speak out and they haven’t; which would then be a more deliberate act (for them) ie a choice.
Even if he has asked people, they have the right to choose not to do so without being branded by him.

Unless we're to support 'say what I want you to say or I'll attack you'?
He didn't attack or brand specific people.

He highlighted that F1, a sport watched by millions, had nobody speaking out against this incident other than him.

This makes it seem like statistically, nobody cares. You'd have thought that someone would spoken against it given the amount of coverage it's had.

Noted that several drivers have now come out in support. Some, CLC in particular, noting that they wanted to but felt they couldn't or it wasn't their place. This is understandable.


Muzzer79

3,814 posts

145 months

Monday 1st June
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Exige77 said:
People highlighting the issue has also served to wip up the rioters and looters we have seen in recent nights.

Maybe many sports people want to just stay as sports people and not become political ?
You're suggesting that people should just have kept quiet about what happened? Looked the other way?

DuckAvenger said:
Whatever is talk about in celeb-circles, there's always Hamilton, bit late but still. Is he still collecting plastic-rubbish, of course not. Just wait for the next week and next new trend. Surprised he isn't wearing Anonymous-mask. It was pretty big deal yesterday
I think it's fairly clear that this issue is more than just a celebrity fad......

paulguitar

8,137 posts

71 months

Monday 1st June
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DuckAvenger said:
Whatever is talk about in celeb-circles, there's always Hamilton
Has it occurred to you that race equality might mean a bit more to Hamilton than 'celeb circle talk'?



georgefreeman918

364 posts

57 months

Monday 1st June
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I was discussing the initial Hamilton post (shaming fellow drivers etc) and came home today to find that it seems all drivers have now made statements.

Whilst I respect Hamilton for speaking out, guilting colleagues into issuing statements is not cool. Infact, because I know Hamilton 'guilt tripped' them, the posts come across as disingenuous.

williamp

17,236 posts

231 months

Monday 1st June
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No driver has had to deal with before



its not acceptable. And it should be called out

vdn

7,740 posts

161 months

Monday 1st June
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paulguitar said:
majordad said:
It’s biased because most of the crime is committed by Black Americans. This guy while not in any way deserving being killed was was not an Angel.
It's really very disappointing to read something like this.
It’s typical PH fodder unfortunately... the bubble dwellers get upset at people being upset.

HighwayStar

3,051 posts

102 months

Monday 1st June
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williamp said:
No driver has had to deal with before

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its not acceptable. And it should be called out
Nice one for highlighting that... the whole issue is a subject few people really understand but plenty will have a very simplified view of racism, the causes of crime and what it’s like to be a black person let alone black in America. Especially Trumps America.

vdn

7,740 posts

161 months

Monday 1st June
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anonymous said:
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Yes, surely insincere. Just makes him look good...

rolleyes

paulguitar

8,137 posts

71 months

Monday 1st June
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anonymous said:
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Perhaps as a mixed-race person who has dealt with racism in his life and spends a lot of his time in the USA, he was troubled by a policeman there standing on a citizen's neck until he died.

Is it really that hard to understand?




HustleRussell

18,492 posts

118 months

Monday 1st June
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Hamilton has every right to use his platform to air any views he wishes.

He has always appeared to aligned himself with the culture of the U.S. as much as that of Britain and has close personal friendships with Americans including a number of African Americans.

I think anybody could come rightly out and condemn this unlawful killing in America.

However many aren't necessarily going to be comfortable to make wider political comment because they have no personal insight or experience (first or second hand) of the problem.

If I were to start making a point about discrimination in the context of George Floyd's death, I would fully expect elements of my audience to either agree, or to say one of the following;
-What the fk do you know James, you know nothing about American Culture?
-What the fk do you know James, you are white?
...and these people would of course be right.

I think it's wrong for Hamilton to so overtly attempt to associate a lack of comment on the problem with a lack of interest or even a kind of conspiracy of support or indirect complicity with the aggressor.

Rumblestripe

1,624 posts

120 months

Monday 1st June
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anonymous said:
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The sentence that you wrote, that I quoted in my reply made no sense. It was word soup. I guess you knew that because you truncated the quote here.

And then a couple of posts later you go into "Whataboutery". Classic Trumpian tactic, like listing Antifa as a "terrorist organisation" whilst the KKK remains unnamed.


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TwentyFive

225 posts

24 months

Monday 1st June
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I am a big fan of Lewis behind the wheel, he is my favourite driver. That being said I generally take little notice of what he is up to outside of F1 mainly because his lifestyle away from the track simply doesn't appeal to me. On this topic I think he posted with the best intention but it won't have sat well with those in F1.

He is absolutely right in that there is an issue that needs attention but calling out colleagues and peers for not commenting on it is a bit of a poor show. I think he seems to be forgetting that whilst he regularly posts political content, it remains a social media platform and not all drivers feel the need to cross that line which is a fair and understandable position to take when living in the public eye.

All of the subsequent posts by drivers and team members today now just seem forced and as a result they will not be seen as genuine. I think that is unfair on those drivers who probably entirely supported the cause but didn't feel the need to make comment on the matter because they felt it way beyond the remit of a racing driver to comment on such a delicate topic. Hamilton's comments have by proxy made them all out to be against him which is simply not fair.

Hamilton is a shining light of a successful man who fought against the established norm and understandably wants to highlight injustice but there are more effective ways to achieve this than having a dig at your peers. Maybe he should lead from the front and spend some of his millions in the same way Senna did?

Genuine progress would happen if he used his likeness and now privileged position. He is a global name and could be seen to invoke real change with the right approach and planning just like the Senna foundation achieved for underprivileged children. He could leave a legacy reaching far beyond a few badly thought out Instagram posts if he wanted to do so.

heebeegeetee

27,053 posts

206 months

Monday 1st June
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paulguitar said:
Perhaps as a mixed-race person who has dealt with racism in his life and spends a lot of his time in the USA, he was troubled by a policeman there standing on a citizen's neck until he died.

Is it really that hard to understand?
Yes, it’s hard to understand why someone would think other people are equally exercised about an issue as oneself.

I mean, there is a crisis going on around the world right now and of a more immediate nature. Possibly people are more focused on that?
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