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paulguitar

10,241 posts

76 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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Perhaps as a mixed-race person who has dealt with racism in his life and spends a lot of his time in the USA, he was troubled by a policeman there standing on a citizen's neck until he died.

Is it really that hard to understand?




HustleRussell

18,912 posts

123 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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Hamilton has every right to use his platform to air any views he wishes.

He has always appeared to aligned himself with the culture of the U.S. as much as that of Britain and has close personal friendships with Americans including a number of African Americans.

I think anybody could come rightly out and condemn this unlawful killing in America.

However many aren't necessarily going to be comfortable to make wider political comment because they have no personal insight or experience (first or second hand) of the problem.

If I were to start making a point about discrimination in the context of George Floyd's death, I would fully expect elements of my audience to either agree, or to say one of the following;
-What the fk do you know James, you know nothing about American Culture?
-What the fk do you know James, you are white?
...and these people would of course be right.

I think it's wrong for Hamilton to so overtly attempt to associate a lack of comment on the problem with a lack of interest or even a kind of conspiracy of support or indirect complicity with the aggressor.

Rumblestripe

1,740 posts

125 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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The sentence that you wrote, that I quoted in my reply made no sense. It was word soup. I guess you knew that because you truncated the quote here.

And then a couple of posts later you go into "Whataboutery". Classic Trumpian tactic, like listing Antifa as a "terrorist organisation" whilst the KKK remains unnamed.


Antifa 1940

TwentyFive

309 posts

29 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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I am a big fan of Lewis behind the wheel, he is my favourite driver. That being said I generally take little notice of what he is up to outside of F1 mainly because his lifestyle away from the track simply doesn't appeal to me. On this topic I think he posted with the best intention but it won't have sat well with those in F1.

He is absolutely right in that there is an issue that needs attention but calling out colleagues and peers for not commenting on it is a bit of a poor show. I think he seems to be forgetting that whilst he regularly posts political content, it remains a social media platform and not all drivers feel the need to cross that line which is a fair and understandable position to take when living in the public eye.

All of the subsequent posts by drivers and team members today now just seem forced and as a result they will not be seen as genuine. I think that is unfair on those drivers who probably entirely supported the cause but didn't feel the need to make comment on the matter because they felt it way beyond the remit of a racing driver to comment on such a delicate topic. Hamilton's comments have by proxy made them all out to be against him which is simply not fair.

Hamilton is a shining light of a successful man who fought against the established norm and understandably wants to highlight injustice but there are more effective ways to achieve this than having a dig at your peers. Maybe he should lead from the front and spend some of his millions in the same way Senna did?

Genuine progress would happen if he used his likeness and now privileged position. He is a global name and could be seen to invoke real change with the right approach and planning just like the Senna foundation achieved for underprivileged children. He could leave a legacy reaching far beyond a few badly thought out Instagram posts if he wanted to do so.

heebeegeetee

27,122 posts

211 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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paulguitar said:
Perhaps as a mixed-race person who has dealt with racism in his life and spends a lot of his time in the USA, he was troubled by a policeman there standing on a citizen's neck until he died.

Is it really that hard to understand?
Yes, it’s hard to understand why someone would think other people are equally exercised about an issue as oneself.

I mean, there is a crisis going on around the world right now and of a more immediate nature. Possibly people are more focused on that?

paulguitar

10,241 posts

76 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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I don't see how this makes sense. Basically you're saying it's only okay for Hamilton to speak out against one thing that's bad if he also speaks out about everything else that's bad?

Purely from a practical point of view, that won't work, as he'd dilute all of the issues to the point where he'd raise no awareness of any of them.




TheDeuce

8,539 posts

29 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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paulguitar said:
I don't see how this makes sense. Basically you're saying it's only okay for Hamilton to speak out against one thing that's bad if he also speaks out about everything else that's bad?

Purely from a practical point of view, that won't work, as he'd dilute all of the issues to the point where he'd raise no awareness of any of them.


That's the whole point though!!! This is why it's unreasonable for him to criticise others for not speaking out on this specific issue. It's the same thing... The only way his peers could avoid such criticism in future WOULD be to speak out about everything all the time.

It would be ridiculous if they did that, therefore his criticism of them is itself ridiculous. He should say what he wishes when he feels moved to and gently introduce his thoughts to peers for consideration. What he had done is basically bullied half the grid in to hurriedly making their own statements.

I wonder if he remembers campaigning about bullying a few years ago confused

Bo_apex

1,337 posts

181 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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HighwayStar said:
Nice one for highlighting that... the whole issue is a subject few people really understand but plenty will have a very simplified view of racism, the causes of crime and what it’s like to be a black person let alone black in America. Especially Trumps America.
Was it really any better in Obama's America ?

The same problems persist.




longblackcoat

4,457 posts

146 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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anonymous said:
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You’re pushing your own viewpoint that this is all posturing and insincere. Most people don’t agree with your stance.

paulguitar

10,241 posts

76 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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Bo_apex said:
HighwayStar said:
Nice one for highlighting that... the whole issue is a subject few people really understand but plenty will have a very simplified view of racism, the causes of crime and what it’s like to be a black person let alone black in America. Especially Trumps America.
Was it really any better in Obama's America ?

The same problems persist.
Same problems, sure, but now there's an openly racist president too.



Bo_apex

1,337 posts

181 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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paulguitar said:
Bo_apex said:
HighwayStar said:
Nice one for highlighting that... the whole issue is a subject few people really understand but plenty will have a very simplified view of racism, the causes of crime and what it’s like to be a black person let alone black in America. Especially Trumps America.
Was it really any better in Obama's America ?

The same problems persist.
Same problems, sure, but now there's an openly racist president too.
At least they have freedom of speech and the right to protest.
Hong Kong citizens are now completely fked !

paulguitar

10,241 posts

76 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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Bo_apex said:
At least they have freedom of speech and the right to protest.
Hong Kong citizens are now completely fked !
True, it's still far from the worst country on the planet. As someone who spends the vast majority of my life there though, I'm genuinely gutted to see it deteriorating by the day.

768

8,138 posts

59 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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Bo_apex said:
At least they have freedom of speech and the right to protest.
Hong Kong citizens are now completely fked !
I see you Lewis Hamilton, not speaking out for the people of Hong Kong, or Ukraine, or North Korea... shame on you.

Bo_apex

1,337 posts

181 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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paulguitar said:
Bo_apex said:
At least they have freedom of speech and the right to protest.
Hong Kong citizens are now completely fked !
True, it's still far from the worst country on the planet. As someone who spends the vast majority of my life there though, I'm genuinely gutted to see it deteriorating by the day.
Maybe we'll see some drivers boycot the Shanghai GP in protest.
Next year ofcourse !

thiscocks

2,526 posts

158 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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williamp said:
No driver has had to deal with before

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its not acceptable. And it should be called out
What does it say on the shirts?

Personally I think it's pretty poor of Ham to have a go at others for not commenting on an issue he particularly cares about. Perhaps they're just not as interested as he might be on a particular subject; as he might not be on issues another person might have a passion about.

Also, I wonder if it were a white person that was mistakenly killed by police would it even make the news?

paulguitar

10,241 posts

76 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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thiscocks said:
Also, I wonder if it were a white person that was mistakenly killed by police would it even make the news?
It certainly does make the news, yes. There was a case not too long ago of an Australian woman shot by mistake in the USA and it was massive news.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_...


longblackcoat

4,457 posts

146 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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I have no idea why you’re so angry, but I really don’t give a st. Work out why people don’t like your views for yourself.

Nampahc Niloc

742 posts

41 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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anonymous said:
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He’s done the adult thing and asked you what’s wrong with his post. If you cannot answer that in an adult way that reflects badly on you.

HighwayStar

3,221 posts

107 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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Bo_apex said:
paulguitar said:
Bo_apex said:
HighwayStar said:
Nice one for highlighting that... the whole issue is a subject few people really understand but plenty will have a very simplified view of racism, the causes of crime and what it’s like to be a black person let alone black in America. Especially Trumps America.
Was it really any better in Obama's America ?

The same problems persist.
Same problems, sure, but now there's an openly racist president too.
At least they have freedom of speech and the right to protest.
Hong Kong citizens are now completely fked !
Oh ok, let’s take no notice then... there’s something worse going on somewhere else.
As for at least they have freedom of speech... what good is that if the people in power aren’t listening or making real efforts to make things better for everyone?

And your were things better under Obama. Not utopia but compared to now, yes. Under Trump America is no longer respected or admired in the world as it once was. He blatantly lies about most things and disrespect other nations. He lays the blame for any problem at the feet of anyone he can, takes no responsibility and display no leadership.
Are you telling me Trump has made life for all America’s better since becoming POTUS? He certainly hasn’t made America great again

Bo_apex

1,337 posts

181 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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HighwayStar said:
Bo_apex said:
paulguitar said:
Bo_apex said:
HighwayStar said:
Nice one for highlighting that... the whole issue is a subject few people really understand but plenty will have a very simplified view of racism, the causes of crime and what it’s like to be a black person let alone black in America. Especially Trumps America.
Was it really any better in Obama's America ?

The same problems persist.
Same problems, sure, but now there's an openly racist president too.
At least they have freedom of speech and the right to protest.
Hong Kong citizens are now completely fked !
Oh ok, let’s take no notice then... there’s something worse going on somewhere else.
As for at least they have freedom of speech... what good is that if the people in power aren’t listening or making real efforts to make things better for everyone?

And your were things better under Obama. Not utopia but compared to now, yes. Under Trump America is no longer respected or admired in the world as it once was. He blatantly lies about most things and disrespect other nations. He lays the blame for any problem at the feet of anyone he can, takes no responsibility and display no leadership.
Are you telling me Trump has made life for all America’s better since becoming POTUS? He certainly hasn’t made America great again
I am no fan of Trump either.
He did however rebuild the economy to a strong level and increased employment.
That's all fallen to st now with China exporting CV19.
Melania is still hanging around so he must be doing something right

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