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vdn said:
I wouldn’t either. But what his post did do; is open the gate; albeit in a slapdash fashion, to other drivers feeling they could.
Leclerc’s post was quite strongly worded - and he made clear he had wanted to say something but felt it not his place. Fair play to Leclerc.
Leclerc has classLeclerc’s post was quite strongly worded - and he made clear he had wanted to say something but felt it not his place. Fair play to Leclerc.
Bo_apex said:
vdn said:
I wouldn’t either. But what his post did do; is open the gate; albeit in a slapdash fashion, to other drivers feeling they could.
Leclerc’s post was quite strongly worded - and he made clear he had wanted to say something but felt it not his place. Fair play to Leclerc.
Leclerc has classLeclerc’s post was quite strongly worded - and he made clear he had wanted to say something but felt it not his place. Fair play to Leclerc.
anonymous said:
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This isn't about one police officer killing one man in another part of the world, this is about racism in general.This is about the world sitting back and not taking action when someone gets mistreated due to their race, wherever they are. The Minneapolis incident is just the latest example of that.
Hamilton is calling out the fact that no-one stands up to any of the incidents that occur all the time. No-one highlights it, no-one says it isn't acceptable, apart from him.
When it happens all the time and only the minority who are affected by it speak out about it, nothing will change. It requires everyone.
anonymous said:
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All in your opinion of course. On the flip side; Mercedes AMG, other drivers and also industry figures have now posted about it all... and that spreads the word. It sets a tone that this IS the way to view the matter and it highlights the issue. Which can only be a good thing. Many may have posted anyway; I’m sure of it. But we’ve seen Leclerc state, with class, that he wanted to - but didn’t feel it was his place... so the effect, no matter how crass you see the action, has been somewhat positive, like it or not.
vdn said:
anonymous said:
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All in your opinion of course. On the flip side; Mercedes AMG, other drivers and also industry figures have now posted about it all... and that spreads the word. It sets a tone that this IS the way to view the matter and it highlights the issue. Which can only be a good thing. Many may have posted anyway; I’m sure of it. But we’ve seen Leclerc state, with class, that he wanted to - but didn’t feel it was his place... so the effect, no matter how crass you see the action, has been somewhat positive, like it or not.
vdn said:
Bo_apex said:
vdn said:
I wouldn’t either. But what his post did do; is open the gate; albeit in a slapdash fashion, to other drivers feeling they could.
Leclerc’s post was quite strongly worded - and he made clear he had wanted to say something but felt it not his place. Fair play to Leclerc.
Leclerc has classLeclerc’s post was quite strongly worded - and he made clear he had wanted to say something but felt it not his place. Fair play to Leclerc.
anonymous said:
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I think this has been said, but it wasn't that he was talking about an injustice, it was that he was calling out people for not talking about an injustice.Personally I wouldn't be in a rush to do that until I'd called out all the other injustices that occurred anywhere in the world, yes.
RB Will said:
vdn said:
Bo_apex said:
vdn said:
I wouldn’t either. But what his post did do; is open the gate; albeit in a slapdash fashion, to other drivers feeling they could.
Leclerc’s post was quite strongly worded - and he made clear he had wanted to say something but felt it not his place. Fair play to Leclerc.
Leclerc has classLeclerc’s post was quite strongly worded - and he made clear he had wanted to say something but felt it not his place. Fair play to Leclerc.
Full points
768 said:
I think this has been said, but it wasn't that he was talking about an injustice, it was that he was calling out people for not talking about an injustice.
Personally I wouldn't be in a rush to do that until I'd called out all the other injustices that occurred anywhere in the world, yes.
I think, and I’m not saying it’s right, that sometimes some events generate that much publicity that they focus rather than all other events. I’m pleased LH raised this because I’m sure there will be plenty of his followers who weren’t aware of what had happened so any attention he can bring to this from his position is a good thing. Personally I wouldn't be in a rush to do that until I'd called out all the other injustices that occurred anywhere in the world, yes.
If F1, the teams and the drivers had previously been completely silent on things outside of the sport then yes, it is wrong to call them out. However, the sport and those involved have become a lot more vocal of the past decade or so and therefore I think he’s right to say what he did. I also think most people in the sport will be relieved that he posted it as it gave them the option to comment whereas prior to this they may well have been thinking that as a mainly white person sport, their words wouldn’t have been welcomed.
He said what he said... people are talking about it. The squabbling about his approach, method is just silly noise.
I can only imagine how much noise there would’ve been if one of the other drivers had called it out first and Hamilton stayed silent or then waded in... he’d have been royally slaughtered. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t.
I can only imagine how much noise there would’ve been if one of the other drivers had called it out first and Hamilton stayed silent or then waded in... he’d have been royally slaughtered. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t.
chml said:
768 said:
I think this has been said, but it wasn't that he was talking about an injustice, it was that he was calling out people for not talking about an injustice.
Personally I wouldn't be in a rush to do that until I'd called out all the other injustices that occurred anywhere in the world, yes.
I think, and I’m not saying it’s right, that sometimes some events generate that much publicity that they focus rather than all other events. I’m pleased LH raised this because I’m sure there will be plenty of his followers who weren’t aware of what had happened so any attention he can bring to this from his position is a good thing. Personally I wouldn't be in a rush to do that until I'd called out all the other injustices that occurred anywhere in the world, yes.
If F1, the teams and the drivers had previously been completely silent on things outside of the sport then yes, it is wrong to call them out. However, the sport and those involved have become a lot more vocal of the past decade or so and therefore I think he’s right to say what he did. I also think most people in the sport will be relieved that he posted it as it gave them the option to comment whereas prior to this they may well have been thinking that as a mainly white person sport, their words wouldn’t have been welcomed.
I'd like to think they'd go beyond words and take some tangible action, although F1 is so staggeringly inaccessible I wonder if any effort or money would be better spent on levelling the playing field in just about any other sport first.
anonymous said:
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You keep saying this.Where’s your criticism of all the other sports stars who have commented on this without also referencing every other injustice in the world? You only seem to be criticising Hamilton, which makes you guilty of the same hypocrisy you accuse him of.
longblackcoat said:
You keep saying this.
Where’s your criticism of all the other sports stars who have commented on this without also referencing every other injustice in the world? You only seem to be criticising Hamilton, which makes you guilty of the same hypocrisy you accuse him of.
It really isn't that complicated and has been explained already. Where’s your criticism of all the other sports stars who have commented on this without also referencing every other injustice in the world? You only seem to be criticising Hamilton, which makes you guilty of the same hypocrisy you accuse him of.
cmoose is not complaining about Hamilton speaking about it.
cmoose's (more severe than mine) opinion is that Hamilton should not be criticising other F1 members for NOT speaking about it.
This is justified by the fact that there are many injustices that Hamilton does not speak about, (let's say because he is either unaware, not passionate enough about or doesn't feel appropriate to speak about) and so to criticise other F1 members for doing exactly what he does with many other injustices, is hypocritical.
As I infer it, his assertion of Hamilton being an egomaniac is based on the presumed reasoning behind this behaviour being that this injustice is more important to Hamilton than all the others he doesn't care about, and everyone else in F1 should thus also be as passionate on this topic as he is, and thus deserving of public chastisement when they don't share his world view.
I think the general concensus is he could have spoken out about the issue without also having a pop at the rest of F1.
Edited by SturdyHSV on Tuesday 2nd June 16:50
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