Lewis Hamilton

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kambites

59,481 posts

177 months

Friday 10th July
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I suspect Hamilton won't retire until he's at least matched Schumacher's records or until he believes he can't. From what I remember, Bottas has always been better around here than Hamilton? That doesn't mean the whole season will go that way.

I'd love to see Bottas win the WDC, but my money would still be on Hamilton.

TheDeuce

6,164 posts

22 months

Friday 10th July
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kambites said:
I suspect Hamilton won't retire until he's at least matched Schumacher's records or until he believes he can't. From what I remember, Bottas has always been better around here than Hamilton? That doesn't mean the whole season will go that way.

I'd love to see Bottas win the WDC, but my money would still be on Hamilton.
I agree. Bottas is good on this circuit. But even so, once car troubles and race incidents are taken out of the equation, both drivers in quali last week basically were equally fast.

Also Lewis improves through a season - Bottas tends to start strong. My money is on Lewis too!

kambites

59,481 posts

177 months

Friday 10th July
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Hamilton looked to have slightly better race pace too, to my eye. Although it's hard to tell with the whole "stay off the kerbs" thing.

CABC

3,431 posts

57 months

Friday 10th July
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RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Can see this year being 2016 again for Hamilton. He seems less happy with the car than Bottas and distracted outside of the car with all his crusading stuff.

Luckily for Bottas, Ferrari have this year self destructed and I think Honda/Red Bull are not strong enough to beat Mercedes.

Think a sneaky small bet on Bottas v3.142 might be in order.
he's a lot more mature now. far more the seasoned campaigner.
i reckon he's pretty focussed.

sparta6

1,972 posts

56 months

Friday 10th July
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M5-911 said:
markiii said:
would you think it wonderful if they were views you didn't agree with?
Don't you agree that racism, gender inequality and other basics civic rights should be highlited when not respected?
LGBT relationships for example are still banned in 75 countries. Plenty to do on the campaign front.

C70R

6,339 posts

60 months

Friday 10th July
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paulguitar said:
paulw123 said:
Nope, I’m a man that does a good job for lots of different clients. All of whom pay me well to do my job but I wouldn’t subject them to my views on lifestyle, politics or religion.
Well, it's great that we're all different then.

Someone in Hamilton's position has a platform and thinks he can do some good with it. Others stay silent all of their lives. There's room for everyone.
Imagine trying to equate your dull-as-dishwater job with a sportsman, one of the all-time greats in their sport, whose life is constantly in the public eye. Hilarious.

£10 says Paulw123 is a middle-aged, white guy. I'd love to be wrong about that.

C70R

6,339 posts

60 months

Friday 10th July
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kambites said:
I'd love to see Bottas win the WDC, but my money would still be on Hamilton.
Agree with all of that. I was really pleased to see Rosberg win the championship, and retire feeling like he'd achieve what he set out to do. I'd be equally happy to see a Bottas WDC too.

Having said all of that, history tells us not to judge Hamilton on the opening race. He's won only two of them in 14 years in F1.

Although both of those featured in WDC years (3x 2nd places and a retirement in the other 4).

C70R

6,339 posts

60 months

Friday 10th July
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sparta6 said:
M5-911 said:
markiii said:
would you think it wonderful if they were views you didn't agree with?
Don't you agree that racism, gender inequality and other basics civic rights should be highlited when not respected?
LGBT relationships for example are still banned in 75 countries. Plenty to do on the campaign front.
According to some in this thread, the drivers associated with this http://racingpride.com/ (and Damon Hill as a spokesman) should shut their pie holes and get on with their jobs. laugh

sparta6

1,972 posts

56 months

Friday 10th July
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C70R said:
sparta6 said:
M5-911 said:
markiii said:
would you think it wonderful if they were views you didn't agree with?
Don't you agree that racism, gender inequality and other basics civic rights should be highlited when not respected?
LGBT relationships for example are still banned in 75 countries. Plenty to do on the campaign front.
According to some in this thread, the drivers associated with this http://racingpride.com/ (and Damon Hill as a spokesman) should shut their pie holes and get on with their jobs. laugh
Well F1 wasn't created to pick up all of the world's various challenges and crusades.

It struggles enough just trying to keep its teams in order biggrin


glazbagun

10,789 posts

153 months

Friday 10th July
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kambites said:
I suspect Hamilton won't retire until he's at least matched Schumacher's records or until he believes he can't. From what I remember, Bottas has always been better around here than Hamilton? That doesn't mean the whole season will go that way.

I'd love to see Bottas win the WDC, but my money would still be on Hamilton.
yes Bottas has started well before only to be overhauled by a consistent late Hamilton charge, so I suspect we'll see the same this year, but with a shorter schedule it might be enough for Bottas 3.1 free of woman trouble to keep it.

I'd like to see it too, if just to ensure Lewis stays for the new regs and the vain hope that Alonso, Lewis, Ricciardo and the young rising stars all get a glimpse of the title.

paua

1,747 posts

99 months

Saturday 11th July
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RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Can see this year being 2016 again for Hamilton. He seems less happy with the car than Bottas and distracted outside of the car with all his crusading stuff.

Luckily for Bottas, Ferrari have this year self destructed and I think Honda/Red Bull are not strong enough to beat Mercedes.

Think a sneaky small bet on Bottas v3.142 might be in order.
Sounds like pi in the sky, to me. wink

OzzyR1

4,447 posts

188 months

Saturday 11th July
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A few years ago, I followed and supported Lewis, was pleased when he won.

In the last couple of years, not so much. The racing driver he was seems to be overtaken by his desire to also be a celebrity mouthpiece, someone we should take notice of just because he is famous.

I equate it to JK Rowling - unknown until she wrote a series of very successful books. Fair play to her, but now she is asked for her views on everything; gender issues, racism, sexuality, politics, global warming etc.as if she has a vast and all encompassing knowledge.

She is still the same person she was before she wrote the Potter books - are we expected to take her word on any subject as gospel now just because she is famous?

If Lewis wasn't as successful as he is, and was coming in at the bottom of the F1 grid, would he still be the same person. I'd say probably not, as he wouldn't have the fame that his success has afforded.

I try to like him, and then i read stuff like this:

https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/07/lewis-hamilton-reve...

If LH wants to live a lifestyle - fair play & crack on. Forcing that on your pets, particularly if they are naturally carnivorous is poor form.

I would happily place a bet, if I turned up with a nut roast in one hand and a steak in the other, I know which one the "vegan" Roscoe would go for.

Lewis won't shed any tears, but I can't bring myself to cheer him on anymore.






vdn

7,600 posts

159 months

Saturday 11th July
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OzzyR1 said:
A few years ago, I followed and supported Lewis, was pleased when he won.

In the last couple of years, not so much. The racing driver he was seems to be overtaken by his desire to also be a celebrity mouthpiece, someone we should take notice of just because he is famous.

I equate it to JK Rowling - unknown until she wrote a series of very successful books. Fair play to her, but now she is asked for her views on everything; gender issues, racism, sexuality, politics, global warming etc.as if she has a vast and all encompassing knowledge.

She is still the same person she was before she wrote the Potter books - are we expected to take her word on any subject as gospel now just because she is famous?

If Lewis wasn't as successful as he is, and was coming in at the bottom of the F1 grid, would he still be the same person. I'd say probably not, as he wouldn't have the fame that his success has afforded.

I try to like him, and then i read stuff like this:

https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/07/lewis-hamilton-reve...

If LH wants to live a lifestyle - fair play & crack on. Forcing that on your pets, particularly if they are naturally carnivorous is poor form.

I would happily place a bet, if I turned up with a nut roast in one hand and a steak in the other, I know which one the "vegan" Roscoe would go for.

Lewis won't shed any tears, but I can't bring myself to cheer him on anymore.
hehe triggered much?



PanicBuyingBogRoll

761 posts

18 months

Saturday 11th July
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vdn said:
OzzyR1 said:
A few years ago, I followed and supported Lewis, was pleased when he won.

In the last couple of years, not so much. The racing driver he was seems to be overtaken by his desire to also be a celebrity mouthpiece, someone we should take notice of just because he is famous.

I equate it to JK Rowling - unknown until she wrote a series of very successful books. Fair play to her, but now she is asked for her views on everything; gender issues, racism, sexuality, politics, global warming etc.as if she has a vast and all encompassing knowledge.

She is still the same person she was before she wrote the Potter books - are we expected to take her word on any subject as gospel now just because she is famous?

If Lewis wasn't as successful as he is, and was coming in at the bottom of the F1 grid, would he still be the same person. I'd say probably not, as he wouldn't have the fame that his success has afforded.

I try to like him, and then i read stuff like this:

https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/07/lewis-hamilton-reve...

If LH wants to live a lifestyle - fair play & crack on. Forcing that on your pets, particularly if they are naturally carnivorous is poor form.

I would happily place a bet, if I turned up with a nut roast in one hand and a steak in the other, I know which one the "vegan" Roscoe would go for.

Lewis won't shed any tears, but I can't bring myself to cheer him on anymore.
hehe triggered much?
Just a bit.

Do you think he cried whan ripping all the Lewis posters off his bedroom wall?

glazbagun

10,789 posts

153 months

Saturday 11th July
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Lewis strikes me as much like many a child prodigy searching for his identity late in life. All of these guys start off as kids and their personalities evolve according to the stories they tell themselves.

In Nico's (and to a lesser extent Damon, I guess) case he can say he's matched his Dad and beaten his childhood rival, he has met all external expectations and it's time to explore what he wants.

Alonso and Schumacher wanted to be multiple WDCs with a famous legacy. Alonso still wants that even though he has some poor cards and age has a hand on his shoulder.

Lewis wants the same racing success, but in the wider world, too. With his tattoos and music tastes, the Schumacher/ Stewart (how many royals do I know?)/ Prost paddock reverence isn't where he finds social success since he already has it.

Finding causes to speak out on is part of the musicians and public celeb identity. He wants a statue in the US, not in Stevenage laugh

His social media shaming of other drivers over political issues in a famously apolitical sport is both a function of his success giving him F1 capital to burn (peak Schumacher could have done the same had he wanted, JYS had kudos to burn), but also speaks to his desire to be a bigger global celebrity than just a famous racer. He's burning F1 capital, not for F1 safety, but for global issues/ fame depending on how cynical you are.

The approval he seeks isn't from motorsport fans, which is probably what irks motorsport fans as they're pretty much taken for granted and are viewed as a commodity, but he obviously still seeks social approval from the wider world and has public ambitions beyond F1 wheras Vettel / Schumacher / Kimi are quite happy pursuing private projects.

There's my five min psychoanalysis taster. If you want more, sign up for £5.99/ month. laugh

CoolHands

11,156 posts

151 months

Saturday 11th July
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Or, he just thinks he should use his position to highlight inequality

Exige77

5,291 posts

147 months

Saturday 11th July
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CoolHands said:
Or, he just thinks he should use his position to highlight inequality
Or highlight anything else he doesn’t like ?

Eating meat ? Using plastics ?

CoolHands

11,156 posts

151 months

Saturday 11th July
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Good point, to highlight social issues is perhaps better way of putting it. Quite noble really rather than living a selfish life.

Exige77

5,291 posts

147 months

Saturday 11th July
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CoolHands said:
Good point, to highlight social issues is perhaps better way of putting it. Quite noble really rather than living a selfish life.
The world according to Lewis Hamilton ?

He he could do more good by alienating less people. Just because he’s one of the best all time drivers, his opinion is just one mans opinion like everybody else’s.




CoolHands

11,156 posts

151 months

Saturday 11th July
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Yes but he can highlight plastic pollution which is probably a good thing. I can’t as I’m a nobody. So if he highlights vs not highlight the issue I would say is a good thing overall.
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