Lewis Hamilton

[paulguitar]

sparta6 said:

Credit where it's due

Mercedes are on another level

Any credit for Hamilton, or was it his car that drove itself 1.5 seconds faster in wet quali than the identical car of Bottas?

[mat205125]

paulguitar said:

sparta6 said:

Credit where it's due

Mercedes are on another level

Any credit for Hamilton, or was it his car that drove itself 1.5 seconds faster in wet quali than the identical car of Bottas?

Needs to be credit to Hamilton, as well as consideration for the timing of the lap, and the strategy for the availability of new wet tyres.

All Q3 laps were significantly slower than Q2, however improving massively for all drivers the longer the session went on

[sparta6]

mat205125 said:

paulguitar said:

sparta6 said:

Credit where it's due

Mercedes are on another level

Any credit for Hamilton, or was it his car that drove itself 1.5 seconds faster in wet quali than the identical car of Bottas?

Needs to be credit to Hamilton, as well as consideration for the timing of the lap, and the strategy for the availability of new wet tyres.

All Q3 laps were significantly slower than Q2, however improving massively for all drivers the longer the session went on

It's reasonable to expect that Lewis will always be faster than Bottas in the wet.

Austria has been good for Mercedes, despite its reputation as a Red Bull track.

Season is now a Merc formality, especially with Ferrari in the bin.

[anonymous-user]

sparta6 said:

Season is now a Merc formality, especially with Ferrari in the bin.

Agreed, the only way I can see anyone other than Hamilton, Bottas or Verstappen winning a race this year is due to unreliability or taking each other out.

[kambites]

Joey Deacon said:

sparta6 said:

Season is now a Merc formality, especially with Ferrari in the bin.

Agreed, the only way I can see anyone other than Hamilton, Bottas or Verstappen winning a race this year is due to unreliability or taking each other out.

In a straight fight, I don't think anyone except Hamilton or Bottas will win. However F1 is very often not a straight fight and we have to remember that Albon would probably have won the first race if Hamilton hadn't hit him. OK that was something of a special case with all the safety cars, but F1 races are quite often special cases, one way or another.

[KevinCamaroSS]

Schermerhorn said:

Yup, quite a staggering result.

Was just looking at another stat. Michael Schumacher had 91 wins from 255 starts (up to his retirement in 2006). Lewis has 85 wins and is on 252 race starts. Meaning even if he wins the next 6 in a row, he still goes over Schumacher's record of 255 starts by 3 races.

I honestly thought that that record would have been crushed this year but it looks like that won't happen.

Seems a bit odd not to use the 306 starts for MS. Given he did not have to race his team-mate, how many more races would he have needed to rack those 91 up if he had to actually race his team-mate?

[Schermerhorn]

KevinCamaroSS said:

Schermerhorn said:

Yup, quite a staggering result.

Was just looking at another stat. Michael Schumacher had 91 wins from 255 starts (up to his retirement in 2006). Lewis has 85 wins and is on 252 race starts. Meaning even if he wins the next 6 in a row, he still goes over Schumacher's record of 255 starts by 3 races.

I honestly thought that that record would have been crushed this year but it looks like that won't happen.

Seems a bit odd not to use the 306 starts for MS. Given he did not have to race his team-mate, how many more races would he have needed to rack those 91 up if he had to actually race his team-mate?

Let's not pretend that Lewis has no benefited from team orders either, Singapore 2019 for example when Bottas was told to hold station to create a gap for Lewis.

Maybe Schumacher did not "race" his team mate because his team mate was often so far behind him? Abit like Vettel and Mark Webber (who used to fluff his own race starts; race after race, season after season)?


I see no problem with team orders personally. The faster driver should get preferential treatment (until he fails to deliver anymore, like Vettel did against Charles).

Also why would I not use Schumacher's 255 starts? All his records were broken up to 2006.
The 2010-2012 period was an old, shot to sh*t racing driver driving around at less than his prime making up the numbers and occasionally showing a glimmer of his past self.

[Schermerhorn]

sparta6 said:

mat205125 said:

paulguitar said:

sparta6 said:

Credit where it's due

Mercedes are on another level

Any credit for Hamilton, or was it his car that drove itself 1.5 seconds faster in wet quali than the identical car of Bottas?

Needs to be credit to Hamilton, as well as consideration for the timing of the lap, and the strategy for the availability of new wet tyres.

All Q3 laps were significantly slower than Q2, however improving massively for all drivers the longer the session went on

It's reasonable to expect that Lewis will always be faster than Bottas in the wet.

Austria has been good for Mercedes, despite its reputation as a Red Bull track.

Season is now a Merc formality, especially with Ferrari in the bin.

I hope Red Bull can spring a surprise at Hungary. Their car is traditionally quite handy around there. Last year Max had a very good chance at winning.

[KevinCamaroSS]

Schermerhorn said:

Let's not pretend that Lewis has no benefited from team orders either, Singapore 2019 for example when Bottas was told to hold station to create a gap for Lewis.

Maybe Schumacher did not "race" his team mate because his team mate was often so far behind him? Abit like Vettel and Mark Webber (who used to fluff his own race starts; race after race, season after season)?


I see no problem with team orders personally. The faster driver should get preferential treatment (until he fails to deliver anymore, like Vettel did against Charles).

Also why would I not use Schumacher's 255 starts? All his records were broken up to 2006.
The 2010-2012 period was an old, shot to sh*t racing driver driving around at less than his prime making up the numbers and occasionally showing a glimmer of his past self.

Don't be so disingenuous, Hamilton has benefited on a handful of occasions across the years, not every single race of the season.

[HighwayStar]

KevinCamaroSS said:

Schermerhorn said:

Let's not pretend that Lewis has no benefited from team orders either, Singapore 2019 for example when Bottas was told to hold station to create a gap for Lewis.

Maybe Schumacher did not "race" his team mate because his team mate was often so far behind him? Abit like Vettel and Mark Webber (who used to fluff his own race starts; race after race, season after season)?


I see no problem with team orders personally. The faster driver should get preferential treatment (until he fails to deliver anymore, like Vettel did against Charles).

Also why would I not use Schumacher's 255 starts? All his records were broken up to 2006.
The 2010-2012 period was an old, shot to sh*t racing driver driving around at less than his prime making up the numbers and occasionally showing a glimmer of his past self.

Don't be so disingenuous, Hamilton has benefited on a handful of occasions across the years, not every single race of the season.

Indeed... Lewis has benefitted from team orders but... I remember Schumacher benefitting right from the start of the season, team mates being told to move over. Ferrari’s logic being they didn’t want Schumacher losing out by some margin would’ve been negated at they engineered an overtake of a team mate.
The example of Lewis benefitting from team orders, Singapore 2019... that was race 15!
Bottas wasn’t eased out of the way in the first race of this season. They race and earn the right to have the support of the other should the time come.

[sparta6]

Team orders rarely required;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/36277172

[ettore]

KevinCamaroSS said:

Schermerhorn said:

Let's not pretend that Lewis has no benefited from team orders either, Singapore 2019 for example when Bottas was told to hold station to create a gap for Lewis.

Maybe Schumacher did not "race" his team mate because his team mate was often so far behind him? Abit like Vettel and Mark Webber (who used to fluff his own race starts; race after race, season after season)?


I see no problem with team orders personally. The faster driver should get preferential treatment (until he fails to deliver anymore, like Vettel did against Charles).

Also why would I not use Schumacher's 255 starts? All his records were broken up to 2006.
The 2010-2012 period was an old, shot to sh*t racing driver driving around at less than his prime making up the numbers and occasionally showing a glimmer of his past self.

Don't be so disingenuous, Hamilton has benefited on a handful of occasions across the years, not every single race of the season.

Disingenuous in the extreme not to use his actual number of GP starts! On that basis we’d have to knock a world championship off Niki Lauda!

[vdn]

sparta6 said:

It's reasonable to expect that Lewis will always be faster than Bottas in the wet.

Austria has been good for Mercedes, despite its reputation as a Red Bull track.

Season is now a Merc formality, especially with Ferrari in the bin.

Isn't it strange how the whole paddock recognise the achievement of, not so much, sticking it on pole - but the margin by which it was done

[CoolHands]

Horner didn’t. He said in that Ch4 interview that max would’ve been within 3 tenths!

[vdn]

CoolHands said:

Horner didn’t. He said in that Ch4 interview that max would’ve been within 3 tenths!

I'm shocked Horner can say anything with his lips wrapped firmly around Max's piston ring

Aside from that... "woulda, coulda, shoulda" - springs to mind.

[Graveworm]

Schermerhorn said:

KevinCamaroSS said:

Schermerhorn said:

Yup, quite a staggering result.

Was just looking at another stat. Michael Schumacher had 91 wins from 255 starts (up to his retirement in 2006). Lewis has 85 wins and is on 252 race starts. Meaning even if he wins the next 6 in a row, he still goes over Schumacher's record of 255 starts by 3 races.

I honestly thought that that record would have been crushed this year but it looks like that won't happen.

Seems a bit odd not to use the 306 starts for MS. Given he did not have to race his team-mate, how many more races would he have needed to rack those 91 up if he had to actually race his team-mate?

Let's not pretend that Lewis has no benefited from team orders either, Singapore 2019 for example when Bottas was told to hold station to create a gap for Lewis.

Maybe Schumacher did not "race" his team mate because his team mate was often so far behind him? Abit like Vettel and Mark Webber (who used to fluff his own race starts; race after race, season after season)?


I see no problem with team orders personally. The faster driver should get preferential treatment (until he fails to deliver anymore, like Vettel did against Charles).

Also why would I not use Schumacher's 255 starts? All his records were broken up to 2006.
The 2010-2012 period was an old, shot to sh*t racing driver driving around at less than his prime making up the numbers and occasionally showing a glimmer of his past self.

He has benefited but the orders were always what was best for the team not because there was a number 1. In that case if Bottas managed to pass Hamilton the team gained nothing, Bottas couldn't win the WDC. if they collided and went out they put the WDC at risk. With team orders and number 1 status Hamiton would already have all the records.

[F1GTRUeno]

sparta6 said:

It's reasonable to expect that Lewis will always be faster than Bottas in the wet.

Austria has been good for Mercedes, despite its reputation as a Red Bull track.

Season is now a Merc formality, especially with Ferrari in the bin.

It's reasonable to expect that Michael will always be faster than Rubens in the wet.

______ has been good for Ferrari, despite it's reputation as a Williams/McLaren (delete as appropriate for the year) track.

Season is now a Ferrari formality, especially with Williams/McLaren in the bin.

[Deesee]

Hamilton 73 wins in 10 Years..

Ferrari 71 wins in 15 Years..

[sparta6]

F1GTRUeno said:

sparta6 said:

It's reasonable to expect that Lewis will always be faster than Bottas in the wet.

Austria has been good for Mercedes, despite its reputation as a Red Bull track.

Season is now a Merc formality, especially with Ferrari in the bin.

______ has been good for Ferrari, despite it's reputation as a Williams/McLaren (delete as appropriate for the year) track.

Season is now a Ferrari formality, especially with Williams/McLaren in the bin.

If only this applied to the initial 5 years

MS would be on 11 WDC's

[Exige77]

sparta6 said:

F1GTRUeno said:

sparta6 said:

It's reasonable to expect that Lewis will always be faster than Bottas in the wet.

Austria has been good for Mercedes, despite its reputation as a Red Bull track.

Season is now a Merc formality, especially with Ferrari in the bin.

______ has been good for Ferrari, despite it's reputation as a Williams/McLaren (delete as appropriate for the year) track.

Season is now a Ferrari formality, especially with Williams/McLaren in the bin.

If only this applied to the initial 5 years

MS would be on 11 WDC's

If we want to continue with the cudda/shudda/wudda, if Senna hadn’t lost his life, MS would probably still be on 0 WDCs.