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Exige77

5,291 posts

147 months

Saturday 11th July
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CoolHands said:
Yes but he can highlight plastic pollution which is probably a good thing. I can’t as I’m a nobody. So if he highlights vs not highlight the issue I would say is a good thing overall.
It’s the way he does it that pi$$es people off.

Shaming people will not get positive results and will ultimately turn people against him and his pet social issues.

There are many social injustices in the world, support for a heavy handed approach will not help.

768

6,791 posts

52 months

Saturday 11th July
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CoolHands said:
Yes but he can highlight plastic pollution which is probably a good thing. I can’t as I’m a nobody. So if he highlights vs not highlight the issue I would say is a good thing overall.
I'm not sure a Petronas sponsored driver has much mileage in highlighting plastic pollution, but if a Mercedes driver can do it for standing on the shoulders of slaves what do I know.

glazbagun

10,789 posts

153 months

Saturday 11th July
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CoolHands said:
Or, he just thinks he should use his position to highlight inequality
What's the "Or" about? I said just that:

glazbagun said:
His social media shaming of other drivers over political issues in a famously apolitical sport is both a function of his success giving him F1 capital to burn (peak Schumacher could have done the same had he wanted, JYS had kudos to burn), but also speaks to his desire to be a bigger global celebrity than just a famous racer. He's burning F1 capital, not for F1 safety, but for global issues/ fame depending on how cynical you are.

angrymoby

1,139 posts

134 months

Saturday 11th July
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Exige77 said:
He he could do more good by alienating less people
alienating people like you, you mean?

Exige77

5,291 posts

147 months

Saturday 11th July
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angrymoby said:
Exige77 said:
He he could do more good by alienating less people
alienating people like you, you mean?
Yes, me and many others. Read this thread.

I’m one of “Lewis the racing driver’s” biggest supporters.

markiii

1,433 posts

150 months

Saturday 11th July
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M5-911 said:
Don't you agree that racism, gender inequality and other basics civic rights should be highlited when not respected?
the point wasn't the issue the point was using the platform

angrymoby

1,139 posts

134 months

Saturday 11th July
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Exige77 said:
Yes, me and many others. Read this thread.

I’m one of “Lewis the racing driver’s” biggest supporters.
have you & the 'many' thought about turning the volume down? so those that don't mind listening to him, can do so?

C70R

6,339 posts

60 months

Saturday 11th July
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angrymoby said:
Exige77 said:
He he could do more good by alienating less people
alienating people like you, you mean?
Imagine actually openly saying "He should know his place, and not publicly express any opinions that might polarise".

Some people are actually ridiculous.

swisstoni

9,154 posts

235 months

Saturday 11th July
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Like a lot of celebs he should probably stay away from The Twitters a lot more. That goes without saying - Ricky Gervais has frequently had a go at Hollywood airheads and celebs for giving us their opinions on climate science and politics etc.

But this was clearly an issue that really got to him in a big way (understandably).
Where he crossed a line what making it seem like he was having a go at colleagues rather than perhaps the industry more widely.

Easy to do with a Tweet. A lot of nobodies like us manage to get ourselves misunderstood in our posts. Imagine if we had millions of 'followers' ready to get the wrong end of the stick rather than just a few more nobodies.

CoolHands

11,156 posts

151 months

Saturday 11th July
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glazbagun said:
You said he was doing it as a desire to be a bigger global celebrity

Exige77

5,291 posts

147 months

Saturday 11th July
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C70R said:
Imagine actually openly saying "He should know his place, and not publicly express any opinions that might polarise".

Some people are actually ridiculous.
Anyone that doesn’t agree with you is ridiculous?

That’s how it starts.

People turn away from otherwise good causes because they are shamed into supporting it.

Celebrities can add their weight to their chosen causes of course, but if they go about it in the wrong way it ends up working against their cause.

That is the way of the world which you don’t appear to grasp ?

A worthy cause like “equality” has now become polarised instead everyone meeting in the middle and doing something about it.

Mr_Thyroid

1,841 posts

183 months

Saturday 11th July
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I wonder what the reaction would be on here if Leclerc sent Hamilton's "shaming" tweet? I wonder if he would be praised for calling people out, for giving people some harsh truths, for speaking out on what he believes?

I wonder what would've happened if Hamilton was then one of the drivers who failed to show a truly united front on whatever Leclerc was speaking out about - would he be praised for being his own man and not getting involved in politics?

I wonder what the reaction would be if Hamilton was pictured breaking corona virus rules by going to a nightclub in Monaco?

Catatafish

1,046 posts

101 months

Saturday 11th July
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I expect we'll look back in some years at the net impact of social media and conclude it was 99.9% dog$hit

rscott

10,417 posts

147 months

Saturday 11th July
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768 said:
CoolHands said:
Yes but he can highlight plastic pollution which is probably a good thing. I can’t as I’m a nobody. So if he highlights vs not highlight the issue I would say is a good thing overall.
I'm not sure a Petronas sponsored driver has much mileage in highlighting plastic pollution, but if a Mercedes driver can do it for standing on the shoulders of slaves what do I know.
The same Mercedes who have admitted their use of forced labour and helped set up a foundation to help the survivors and their families? Like Boss, they've acknowledged their role in WW2 and have made efforts to make amends.

Exige77

5,291 posts

147 months

Saturday 11th July
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Mr_Thyroid said:
I wonder what the reaction would be on here if Leclerc sent Hamilton's "shaming" tweet? I wonder if he would be praised for calling people out, for giving people some harsh truths, for speaking out on what he believes?

I wonder what would've happened if Hamilton was then one of the drivers who failed to show a truly united front on whatever Leclerc was speaking out about - would he be praised for being his own man and not getting involved in politics?

I wonder what the reaction would be if Hamilton was pictured breaking corona virus rules by going to a nightclub in Monaco?
It’s not so much what you do it’s more about saying one thing and doing another.

Leclerc is not claiming the higher moral ground.

You can’t judge anyone by a single episode, we all do stuff but if you keep doing stuff you will eventually be judged by it.

Mr_Thyroid

1,841 posts

183 months

Saturday 11th July
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Exige77 said:
It’s not so much what you do it’s more about saying one thing and doing another.

Leclerc is not claiming the higher moral ground.

You can’t judge anyone by a single episode, we all do stuff but if you keep doing stuff you will eventually be judged by it.
Leclerc agreed to abide by the coronavirus rules and then broke them.

Leclerc thought himself above showing a united front.

glazbagun

10,789 posts

153 months

Saturday 11th July
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CoolHands said:
glazbagun said:
You said he was doing it as a desire to be a bigger global celebrity
If you were cynical.

Exige77

5,291 posts

147 months

Saturday 11th July
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Mr_Thyroid said:
Exige77 said:
It’s not so much what you do it’s more about saying one thing and doing another.

Leclerc is not claiming the higher moral ground.

You can’t judge anyone by a single episode, we all do stuff but if you keep doing stuff you will eventually be judged by it.
Leclerc agreed to abide by the coronavirus rules and then broke them.

Leclerc thought himself above showing a united front.
I think you might be scrapping the bottom of the barrel comparing Hamilton to Leclerc.

I understand the drivers are all “united” about there being no place for racism in the modern world.

The “political gesture” of taking the knee is not the same thing which I can understand some don’t agree with.




Mr_Thyroid

1,841 posts

183 months

Saturday 11th July
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Exige77 said:
I think you might be scrapping the bottom of the barrel comparing Hamilton to Leclerc.

I understand the drivers are all “united” about there being no place for racism in the modern world.

The “political gesture” of taking the knee is not the same thing which I can understand some don’t agree with.
The point I'm making is nothing to do with the specifics of what taking a knee may or may not mean.

The point I'm making is that, on here, some drivers appear to be held to different standards to others.

Exige77

5,291 posts

147 months

Saturday 11th July
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Mr_Thyroid said:
Exige77 said:
I think you might be scrapping the bottom of the barrel comparing Hamilton to Leclerc.

I understand the drivers are all “united” about there being no place for racism in the modern world.

The “political gesture” of taking the knee is not the same thing which I can understand some don’t agree with.
The point I'm making is nothing to do with the specifics of what taking a knee may or may not mean.

The point I'm making is that, on here, some drivers appear to be held to different standards to others.
The most senior, most successful, most vociferous will of course be held to the highest standards of all.

That would be normal wouldn’t it ?
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