Lewis Hamilton

[PanicBuyingBogRoll]

Exige77 said:

sparta6 said:

F1GTRUeno said:

sparta6 said:

It's reasonable to expect that Lewis will always be faster than Bottas in the wet.

Austria has been good for Mercedes, despite its reputation as a Red Bull track.

Season is now a Merc formality, especially with Ferrari in the bin.

______ has been good for Ferrari, despite it's reputation as a Williams/McLaren (delete as appropriate for the year) track.

Season is now a Ferrari formality, especially with Williams/McLaren in the bin.

If only this applied to the initial 5 years

MS would be on 11 WDC's

If we want to continue with the cudda/shudda/wudda, if Senna hadn’t lost his life, MS would probably still be on 0 WDCs.

We could do that all day long with any number of drivers. Alonso is 7/8 points away from being a 5x WDC. Lewis is 5 points and an engine failure from already having 9 titles.

Massa is 1Timo Glock away from being a world champion. And where would Lewis be now if he was?

None of it matters, because it didn't happen.

[sparta6]

PanicBuyingBogRoll said:

Exige77 said:

sparta6 said:

F1GTRUeno said:

sparta6 said:

It's reasonable to expect that Lewis will always be faster than Bottas in the wet.

Austria has been good for Mercedes, despite its reputation as a Red Bull track.

Season is now a Merc formality, especially with Ferrari in the bin.

______ has been good for Ferrari, despite it's reputation as a Williams/McLaren (delete as appropriate for the year) track.

Season is now a Ferrari formality, especially with Williams/McLaren in the bin.

If only this applied to the initial 5 years

MS would be on 11 WDC's

If we want to continue with the cudda/shudda/wudda, if Senna hadn’t lost his life, MS would probably still be on 0 WDCs.

We could do that all day long with any number of drivers. Alonso is 7/8 points away from being a 5x WDC. Lewis is 5 points and an engine failure from already having 9 titles.

Massa is 1Timo Glock away from being a world champion. And where would Lewis be now if he was?

None of it matters, because it didn't happen.

That's correct.

Ferrari wasn't a true contender until 2000 so it's academic.
But we did see a great title battle that year.

[Hosenbugler]

I'm afraid Hamilton and Mercedes have succeeded in doing what Schumacher and Ferrari did , made me stop following f1 full stop. It's not good when you look to the upcoming race and think which Mercedes/Ferrari (as was) will win. Just too predictable, and when the better driver with the best car , just keeps ramping up championships, it becomes meaningless. Well, to me it does, anyrate, and I do not beleive I'm alone.

I do not look out for F1 news, but all I tend to find of late F1 wise ,on the periphery, when I check news , is more about Hamilton's political discourse, rather than the actual racing. Its disturbing really, politics and sport does not mix , irrespective of what the politics is.

[eccles]

kambites said:

Joey Deacon said:

sparta6 said:

Season is now a Merc formality, especially with Ferrari in the bin.

Agreed, the only way I can see anyone other than Hamilton, Bottas or Verstappen winning a race this year is due to unreliability or taking each other out.

In a straight fight, I don't think anyone except Hamilton or Bottas will win. However F1 is very often not a straight fight and we have to remember that Albon would probably have won the first race if Hamilton hadn't hit him. OK that was something of a special case with all the safety cars, but F1 races are quite often special cases, one way or another.

The first two races were on the same circuit with it's short lap time. It's well known that other circuits suit other cars, so I wouldn't be counting any chickens just yet. (although I suspect you'll both be correct!)

[paulguitar]

Hosenbugler said:

I'm afraid Hamilton and Mercedes have succeeded in doing what Schumacher and Ferrari did , made me stop following f1 full stop. It's not good when you look to the upcoming race and think which Mercedes/Ferrari (as was) will win. Just too predictable, and when the better driver with the best car , just keeps ramping up championships, it becomes meaningless. Well, to me it does, anyrate, and I do not beleive I'm alone.

You'll have been avoiding F1 for the vast majority of its history then, as you'd not have enjoyed, for example, Lotus, Williams, Mclaren, Red Bull producing the best equipment.

This is fundamentally part of what F1 is since the individual factories build their cars from scratch. It sounds like you'd be much happier with a spec formula. F2 produces some great racing.

[MarkwG]

paulguitar said:

Hosenbugler said:

I'm afraid Hamilton and Mercedes have succeeded in doing what Schumacher and Ferrari did , made me stop following f1 full stop. It's not good when you look to the upcoming race and think which Mercedes/Ferrari (as was) will win. Just too predictable, and when the better driver with the best car , just keeps ramping up championships, it becomes meaningless. Well, to me it does, anyrate, and I do not beleive I'm alone.

You'll have been avoiding F1 for the vast majority of its history then, as you'd not have enjoyed, for example, Lotus, Williams, Mclaren, Red Bull producing the best equipment.

This is fundamentally part of what F1 is since the individual factories build their cars from scratch. It sounds like you'd be much happier with a spec formula. F2 produces some great racing.

And missed some very close & exciting races too. Puzzles me why people who don't watch anyway think their opinion is interesting: I don't watch golf, because I don't like the sport - I don't go on to golf threads to tell everyone it's boring, though...

[kiseca]

What's the percentage of wins per race? Number of races per year has gone up since 2000 I believe.

[CustardOnChips]

Hosenbugler said:

I'm afraid Hamilton and Mercedes have succeeded in doing what Schumacher and Ferrari did , made me stop following f1 full stop. It's not good when you look to the upcoming race and think which Mercedes/Ferrari (as was) will win. Just too predictable, and when the better driver with the best car , just keeps ramping up championships, it becomes meaningless. Well, to me it does, anyrate, and I do not beleive I'm alone.

I do not look out for F1 news, but all I tend to find of late F1 wise ,on the periphery, when I check news , is more about Hamilton's political discourse, rather than the actual racing. Its disturbing really, politics and sport does not mix , irrespective of what the politics is.

Wanting to put a stop to racism isn't politics!

[jimPH]

CustardOnChips said:

Hosenbugler said:

I'm afraid Hamilton and Mercedes have succeeded in doing what Schumacher and Ferrari did , made me stop following f1 full stop. It's not good when you look to the upcoming race and think which Mercedes/Ferrari (as was) will win. Just too predictable, and when the better driver with the best car , just keeps ramping up championships, it becomes meaningless. Well, to me it does, anyrate, and I do not beleive I'm alone.

I do not look out for F1 news, but all I tend to find of late F1 wise ,on the periphery, when I check news , is more about Hamilton's political discourse, rather than the actual racing. Its disturbing really, politics and sport does not mix , irrespective of what the politics is.

Wanting to put a stop to racism isn't politics!

BLM are political and he supports BLM.

Every other driver wore an end racism t shirt, only one wore BLM. That was the message.

[paulguitar]

jimPH said:

BLM are political and he supports BLM.

Every other driver wore an end racism t shirt, only one wore BLM. That was the message.

Hamilton on Sunday:

"There are those who said they felt the Black Lives Matter movement seemed political and I've made it clear I am not supporting the political side of things; it's the human rights side."

[LucyP]

The problem is - you cannot divorce one from another. If you support BLM, then you are supporting the politics too.

[Graveworm]

paulguitar said:

You'll have been avoiding F1 for the vast majority of its history then, as you'd not have enjoyed, for example, Lotus, Williams, Mclaren, Red Bull producing the best equipment.

This is fundamentally part of what F1 is since the individual factories build their cars from scratch. It sounds like you'd be much happier with a spec formula. F2 produces some great racing.

There has nearly always been a dominant car since the WDC started. They are not as dominant now as they were. Top 4 from one manufacturer and 2 laps back to the next happened. Every race bar one being won by one manufacturer was par for the course. Only a spec series makes things pretty equal and we know how Hamilton dominated them. The downside is they don't get the same input from manufacturer teams and innovation is, by definition, stifled.

Edited by Graveworm on Tuesday 14th July 11:24

[Exige77]

LucyP said:

The problem is - you cannot divorce one from another. If you support BLM, then you are supporting the politics too.

^^^^What the right honourable lady said.

[kambites]

LucyP said:

The problem is - you cannot divorce one from another. If you support BLM, then you are supporting the politics too.

I think you're goign to have to explain that one.

You can, of course, support whatever the hell you like. What I suspect you mean is that you can't expect other people to not exploit your support or one thing by also claiming you support the other? That would be sad, but probably true.

[Mark-C]

kiseca said:

What's the percentage of wins per race? Number of races per year has gone up since 2000 I believe.

Fangio, Ascari and Clark are all ahead of Hamilton on that metric and a couple of Americans from when the Indy 500 counted squeeze into the gap between him and Schumacher

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_...

I think Jarno Trulli is bottom of that particular table at 0.0039%

[swisstoni]

Exige77 said:

LucyP said:

The problem is - you cannot divorce one from another. If you support BLM, then you are supporting the politics too.

^^^^What the right honourable lady said.

Cobblers.
Loads of people (and organisations) got behind BLM before realising what a dodgy lot was behind them.
I doubt the Premier League are now anarcho-communists.

[kiseca]

Mark-C said:

kiseca said:

What's the percentage of wins per race? Number of races per year has gone up since 2000 I believe.

Fangio, Ascari and Clark are all ahead of Hamilton on that metric and a couple of Americans from when the Indy 500 counted squeeze into the gap between him and Schumacher

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_...

I think Jarno Trulli is bottom of that particular table at 0.0039%

thanks!

I actually meant the Hamilton -75 wins in 10 seasons vs / Ferrari 71 wins in 15 or whatever it was that I intended to post directly afterwards but quite a few posts beat mine on to the thread

[eccles]

swisstoni said:

Exige77 said:

LucyP said:

The problem is - you cannot divorce one from another. If you support BLM, then you are supporting the politics too.

^^^^What the right honourable lady said.

Cobblers.
Loads of people (and organisations) got behind BLM before realising what a dodgy lot was behind them.
I doubt the Premier League are now anarcho-communists.

Many organisations jumped on the bandwagon before realising what BLM really stood for. Many are now taking a step back.

[Exige77]

eccles said:

swisstoni said:

Exige77 said:

LucyP said:

The problem is - you cannot divorce one from another. If you support BLM, then you are supporting the politics too.

^^^^What the right honourable lady said.

Cobblers.
Loads of people (and organisations) got behind BLM before realising what a dodgy lot was behind them.
I doubt the Premier League are now anarcho-communists.

Many organisations jumped on the bandwagon before realising what BLM really stood for. Many are now taking a step back.

Exactly this.

He would have furthered his cause by sticking with the “end racism” message as the others did and not continuing with the now tainted BLM movement.

A picture of Lewis in a BLM T shirt doesn’t tell you which of the BLM stated aims he agrees with. He’s just seen as a supporter.

[Kraken]

All depends if you consider the organisation and the sentiment as the same thing. To me saying "black lives matter" isn't saying I support all the goals and ideals of a group of the same name.

If someone says they are left wing does that mean that they fully support everything that the Socialist Worker Party stands for?