Lewis Hamilton

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TheDeuce

5,147 posts

20 months

Muzzer79 said:
This is not a US-only problem, it's a world-wide problem.

Even having nothing to do with the events, he's expecting his peers, his colleagues, people who have influence and are respected by hundreds of thousands, if not millions, to use that influence to condemn the events and be part of the effort for change.

He is pointing out that by staying silent, the sport is not speaking out against what happened.

So, I disagree that "lockdown has been messing with his head"
I don't disagree with any of that.. but to imply people are racist just for not going out of their way to say the right thing is a bit strong imo.


Jonesy23

4,599 posts

90 months

It might have had a bit more weight if Lewis himself had come out with a nice straightforward statement first, then 24 hours later piped up when if no-one else had. Though I don't see why they would as it'd just be bandwagon jumping to start talking about a thing you have no connection to.

To leap straight into a general rant is a bit much, and he never does his race arguments when his head is completely straight.


housen

1,766 posts

146 months

yeah hes gone cray


and lets just admit america is a st country and this stuff is the norm


doesn't make it right


but why is everyone surprised this is happening ? just because its classed as a 1st world country ?

glazbagun

10,463 posts

151 months

TheDeuce said:
I don't disagree with any of that.. but to imply people are racist just for not going out of their way to say the right thing is a bit strong imo.
The sport was in Bahrain the year after the state was killing protestors in the street and in Russia the same year they invaded Ukraine. F1 has always been pretty amoral.

TheDeuce

5,147 posts

20 months

glazbagun said:
The sport was in Bahrain the year after the state was killing protestors in the street and in Russia the same year they invaded Ukraine. F1 has always been pretty amoral.
I think F1 is just focussed on racing. Which is fair enough.

Obviously like all outfits it 'could' it's influence in endless helpful ways, but imo it's nice when that happens, not a criticism if it doesn't though.


REALIST123

13,380 posts

107 months

TheDeuce said:
glazbagun said:
The sport was in Bahrain the year after the state was killing protestors in the street and in Russia the same year they invaded Ukraine. F1 has always been pretty amoral.
I think F1 is just focussed on racing. Which is fair enough.

Obviously like all outfits it 'could' it's influence in endless helpful ways, but imo it's nice when that happens, not a criticism if it doesn't though.
No, F1’s focussed on the money. If it were the racing they were interested in they would never have gone or go to some of the places they do.

It’s always been the money.

As for Hamilton, does he really think the personalities involved have any influence? Most of the world have no idea who they are.

Muzzer79

3,287 posts

141 months

TheDeuce said:
glazbagun said:
The sport was in Bahrain the year after the state was killing protestors in the street and in Russia the same year they invaded Ukraine. F1 has always been pretty amoral.
I think F1 is just focussed on racing. Which is fair enough.
roflrofl

Yeah, just racing - nothing else.

The lorry-loads of cash that Bahrain, Russia and various other dubious countries park at F1's door is not their focus at all.

After all, it's about the racing heritage of these countries and clearly choosing the most exciting tracks with the most fans......rolleyes


Muzzer79

3,287 posts

141 months

REALIST123 said:
As for Hamilton, does he really think the personalities involved have any influence? Most of the world have no idea who they are.
Daniel Ricciardo has 1.8m Twitter followers

Max Verstappen has 1.1m followers

That's not small.



RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat

6,339 posts

49 months

I don't see anything wrong with influential sports people speaking out. However I also don't have a problem with them choosing not to.

I can understand how Hamilton may feel in some way isolated as the only black driver in a sport with very few BAME people involved at all, however I don't think his criticism of the other drivers is fair.

Have a feeling this year we're going to see unsettled and emotional Hamilton.

DeltonaS

2,461 posts

92 months

TheDeuce said:
I don't disagree with any of that.. but to imply people are racist just for not going out of their way to say the right thing is a bit strong imo.
It's typically Lil'Lewis.

Pathetic and melodramatic, trying to put himself on a pedestal, the moral high ground, over the back of his colleagues. Even making them suspect in the process.

Disingenuous opportunistic little man is what he is.


Jonesy23

4,599 posts

90 months

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
I can understand how Hamilton may feel in some way isolated as the only black driver in a sport with very few BAME people involved at all
Just out of interest, is anyone in the sport taking any initiative to do anything with this? I don't mean corporate efforts, I mean personal efforts around things like scholarships and sponsorships.

Just wondering if any of the concern extends beyond moaning about how terrible things are into spending actual cash money to change them.

768

6,545 posts

50 months

Not very graceful from Lewis.

cmoose

47,494 posts

183 months

BrettMRC said:
Or he could just be disgusted by the whole thing, and might have expected some similar sentiments from his peers?
Then he would be, and probably is, rather self centred.

There are a great many injustices taking place around the world. Inevitably, each of us identifies more strongly with some than others. The list of injustices that Hamilton has not himself spoken out on will be several orders of magnitude longer than the ones he has spoken out on. Five minutes on teh internet would furnish anyone with a long list of injustices of comparable gravity that Hamilton has never commented upon.

He's no better than anyone else.

Actually, he worse than his peers, since they aren't behaving like virtue signalling, egocentric, sociopathic idiots who are insufficiently empathic to put themselves in another person shoes and recognise the complexity of the real world.

This is classic Hamilton. Sorry, but he's utterly awful.

Kraken

1,401 posts

154 months

Personally I really like the "modern" Lewis compared to the old corporate robot. I find myself agreeing with most of what he says these days and I can't help wondering how much longer he will be able to reconcile the odd world of F1 with his own beliefs.

Bo_apex

1,071 posts

172 months

Hamilton would benefit from studying some history before judging his peers.

Unfortunately the US has always behaved like a Police state. Very trigger happy towards all citizens.


cmoose

47,494 posts

183 months

Bo_apex said:
Hamilton would benefit from studying some history before judging his peers.

Unfortunately the US has always behaved like a Police state. Very trigger happy towards all citizens.
I can't stand Hamilton and have zero respect for his virtue signalling on this subject, but your implication that the US justice system, from the beat cop to the highest court, isn't structurally and brutally biased against African Americans is what displays a shocking ignorance of history.

majordad

3,258 posts

151 months

It’s biased because most of the crime is committed by Black Americans. This guy while not in any way deserving being killed was was not an Angel. At the same time I’m surprised the police Officer who was pictured kneeling on him , and the other officer , had fired their guns in lethal manner times before.

BrettMRC

1,385 posts

114 months

He's a world champion, of course he is self centred!

cmoose

47,494 posts

183 months

majordad said:
It’s biased because most of the crime is committed by Black Americans
You're not even close to being correct. Outcomes are hugely biased. It's depressing to see someone stick up for the US justice system in that regard. Can only be done out of either gross ignorance or blatant racism.

Bo_apex

1,071 posts

172 months

cmoose said:
Bo_apex said:
Hamilton would benefit from studying some history before judging his peers.

Unfortunately the US has always behaved like a Police state. Very trigger happy towards all citizens.
I can't stand Hamilton and have zero respect for his virtue signalling on this subject, but your implication that the US justice system, from the beat cop to the highest court, isn't structurally and brutally biased against African Americans is what displays a shocking ignorance of history.
If you wish to focus on a selective part of US history then carry on.
Many of its biggest stars and highest earners are African Americans.

As you bring up the ethnicity element, what do you think about the way Mexicans are treated ?