F1 first-time winners

[Mr_Thyroid]

Spoiler alert -------------- Bottas won his first GP at the last race in Russia.

This got me thinking......

Anyone in a car with a reasonable chance of winning has already won a race so:

- who will be F1's next first time winner?


It was almost a year since the last first time winner (spoiler alert - Max won the 2016 GP in Spain)...so:

- what has been the longest gap between first time winners?

- and what's the shortest gap, or, since this is probably 1 race, what's the most consecutive races to have first time winners?

[HustleRussell]

All six seats in the three teams which have been able to compete for wins over the past several seasons are now occupied by race winners.

I reckon the next first time F1 race winner must therefore be the driver who replaces Raikkonen at Ferrari or the driver who partners Alonso in the works Renault team... so Perez? Grosjean? Hulkenberg? Saintz?

Probably Carlos TBH

[glazbagun]

Most of the top teams are full of winners. If Renault can get things together there'd maybe be a chance for Hulk- he already has a pole IIRC.

Short of that I don't know. Perez has driven well on many occasions, has he won a race yet?

Seems unlikely so long as the top teams dominate. Maybe if Danny goes somewhere Sainz will get his shot in a decent car and make the mist of it.

[WilsonWilson]

Hulkenberg to win this years Monaco causing Alonso's head to explode.

[lucido grigio]

Just read the last post ,I was going to put forward Monaco as a potential left field winner as strange things can occur

on the streets of the principality.

[glazbagun]

lucido grigio said:

Just read the last post ,I was going to put forward Monaco as a potential left field winner as strange things can occur

on the streets of the principality.

Normally I'd agree, but this year it would take both Ferrari's, Both Mercedes and both Red Bulls to DNF/have a nightmare. That would be getting on for Monaco '96 levels of bad luck (where Panis scored his first and only race win for Ligier!)

Incidentally, I feel old. I was a huge Hill fan and watched this live:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x20j9ky_f1-1996-g...

[lucido grigio]

I couldn't be bothered to look it up but that ^^^^^ Panis win was the left field win I remembered.

[cuprabob]

Pastor Maldonado won the 2012 Spanish GP...

With the current reliability of the cars I can't see anyone outwith Mercedes, Ferrari or Red Bull winning anytime soon.

[Mr_Thyroid]

Long gaps between first time winners, best I can come up with is around 3 years:

Berger - Mexico (race 5) 1986
Boutsen - Canada (race 6) 1989

Naninni - Japan (race 15) 1989
Schumacher - Belgium (race 12) 1992

Webber - Germany (race 9) 2009
Rosberg - China (race 3) 2012

[Dr Z]

Mr_Thyroid said:

Long gaps between first time winners, best I can come up with is around 3 years:

Berger - Mexico (race 5) 1986
Boutsen - Canada (race 6) 1989

Naninni - Japan (race 15) 1989
Schumacher - Belgium (race 12) 1992

Webber - Germany (race 9) 2009
Rosberg - China (race 3) 2012

[triggered]

This is all the 1st time winners working backwards:

Year	Event	Circuit	Driver	Car	Engine	Qual pos	Grid pos	Laps led
1950	British GP	Silverstone	Nino Farina	Alfa Romeo 158	Alfa Romeo 1.5 L8C	1	1	63
1950	Monaco GP	Monte Carlo	Juan Manuel Fangio	Alfa Romeo 158	Alfa Romeo 1.5 L8C	1	1	100
1950	Indianapolis 500	Indianapolis	Johnnie Parsons	Kurtis Kraft	Offenhauser 4.5 L4	5	5	115
1951	Indianapolis 500	Indianapolis	Lee Wallard	Kurtis Kraft	Offenhauser 4.5 L4	2	2	159
1951	ACF GP	Reims	Juan Manuel Fangio / Luigi Fagioli	Alfa Romeo 159B	Alfa Romeo 1.5 L8C	7	7	27
1951	British GP	Silverstone	José Froilan González	Ferrari 375	Ferrari 4.5 V12	1	1	59
1951	German GP	Nürburgring	Alberto Ascari	Ferrari 375	Ferrari 4.5 V12	1	1	11
1952	Swiss GP	Bremgarten	Piero Taruffi	Ferrari 500	Ferrari 2.0 L4	2	2	46
1952	Indianapolis 500	Indianapolis	Troy Ruttman	Kuzma	Offenhauser 4.5 L4	7	7	44
1953	Indianapolis 500	Indianapolis	Bill Vukovich	Kurtis Kraft 500A	Offenhauser 4.5 L4	1	1	195
1953	ACF GP	Reims	Mike Hawthorn	Ferrari 500	Ferrari 2.0 L4	7	7	14
1955	Monaco GP	Monte Carlo	Maurice Trintignant	Ferrari 625	Ferrari 2.5 L4	9	9	20
1955	Indianapolis 500	Indianapolis	Bob Sweikert	Kurtis Kraft 500C	Offenhauser 4.5 L4	14	14	86
1955	British GP	Aintree	Stirling Moss	Mercedes W196	Mercedes 2.5 L8	1	1	80
1956	Argentine GP	Buenos Aires	Juan Manuel Fangio / Luigi Musso	Ferrari D50	Ferrari 2.5 V8	3	3	32
1956	Indianapolis 500	Indianapolis	Pat Flaherty	Watson	Offenhauser 4.5 L4	1	1	127
1956	Belgian GP	Spa-Francorchamps	Peter Collins	Ferrari D50	Ferrari 2.5 V8	3	3	13
1957	Indianapolis 500	Indianapolis	Sam Hanks	Epperly	Offenhauser 4.5 L4	13	13	136
1957	British GP	Aintree	Stirling Moss / Tony Brooks	Vanwall 57	Vanwall 2.5 L4	3	3	21
1958	Indianapolis 500	Indianapolis	Jimmy Bryan	Epperly	Offenhauser 4.5 L4	7	7	139
1958	Belgian GP	Spa-Francorchamps	Tony Brooks	Vanwall 57	Vanwall 2.5 L4	5	5	22
1959	Monaco GP	Monte Carlo	Jack Brabham	Cooper T51	Climax 2.5 L4	3	3	19
1959	Indianapolis 500	Indianapolis	Rodger Ward	Watson	Offenhauser 4.5 L4	6	6	130
1959	Dutch GP	Zandvoort	Jo Bonnier	BRM P25	BRM 2.5 L4	1	1	58
1959	United States GP	Sebring	Bruce McLaren	Cooper T51	Climax 2.5 L4	10	10	1
1960	Indianapolis 500	Indianapolis	Jim Rathmann	Watson	Offenhauser 4.5 L4	2	2	100
1960	Italian GP	Monza	Phil Hill	Ferrari 256	Ferrari 2.4 V6	1	1	26
1961	Dutch GP	Zandvoort	Wolfgang von Trips	Ferrari 156	Ferrari 1.5 V6	2	2	75
1961	ACF GP	Reims	Giancarlo Baghetti	Ferrari 156	Ferrari 1.5 V6	12	12	7
1961	United States GP	Watkins Glen	Innes Ireland	Lotus 21	Climax 1.5 L4	8	8	42
1962	Dutch GP	Zandvoort	Graham Hill	BRM P57	BRM 1.5 V8	2	2	68
1962	Belgian GP	Spa-Francorchamps	Jim Clark	Lotus 25	Climax 1.5 V8	12	12	24
1962	ACF GP	Rouen	Dan Gurney	Porsche 804	Porsche 1.5 F8	6	6	13
1963	German GP	Nürburgring	John Surtees	Ferrari 156/63	Ferrari 1.5 V6	2	2	13
1964	Austrian GP	Zeltweg	Lorenzo Bandini	Ferrari 156 Aero	Ferrari 1.5 V6	7	7	59
1965	Italian GP	Monza	Jackie Stewart	BRM P261	BRM 1.5 V8	3	3	43
1965	Mexican GP	Mexico City	Richie Ginther	Honda RA272	Honda 1.5 V12	3	3	65
1966	Italian GP	Monza	Ludovico Scarfiotti	Ferrari 312	Ferrari 3.0 V12	2	2	55
1967	South African GP	Kyalami	Pedro Rodriguez	Cooper T81	Maserati 3.0 V12	4	4	7
1967	Monaco GP	Monte Carlo	Denny Hulme	Brabham BT20	Repco 3.0 V8	4	4	91
1968	French GP	Rouen	Jacky Ickx	Ferrari 312	Ferrari 3.0 V12	3	3	59
1968	British GP	Brands Hatch	Jo Siffert	Lotus 49B	Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8	4	4	37
1969	United States GP	Watkins Glen	Jochen Rindt	Lotus 49B	Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8	1	1	99
1970	Italian GP	Monza	Clay Regazzoni	Ferrari 312B	Ferrari 3.0 F12	3	3	33
1970	United States GP	Watkins Glen	Emerson Fittipaldi	Lotus 72C	Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8	3	3	8
1971	South African GP	Kyalami	Mario Andretti	Ferrari 312B	Ferrari 3.0 F12	4	4	4
1971	Italian GP	Monza	Peter Gethin	BRM P160	BRM 3.0 V12	11	11	3
1971	United States GP	Watkins Glen	François Cévert	Tyrrell 002	Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8	5	5	46
1972	Monaco GP	Monte Carlo	Jean-Pierre Beltoise	BRM P160B	BRM 3.0 V12	4	4	80
1973	French GP	Paul Ricard	Ronnie Peterson	Lotus 72E	Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8	5	5	13
1973	British GP	Silverstone	Peter Revson	McLaren M23	Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8	3	3	29
1974	South African GP	Kyalami	Carlos Reutemann	Brabham BT44	Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8	4	4	69
1974	Spanish GP	Jarama	Niki Lauda	Ferrari 312B3	Ferrari 3.0 F12	1	1	62
1974	Swedish GP	Anderstorp	Jody Scheckter	Tyrrell 007	Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8	2	2	80
1975	Brazilian GP	Interlagos	Carlos Pace	Brabham BT44B	Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8	6	6	8
1975	Spanish GP	Montjuich Park	Jochen Mass	McLaren M23	Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8	11	11	3
1975	Dutch GP	Zandvoort	James Hunt	Hesketh 308B	Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8	3	3	61
1975	Austrian GP	Osterreichring	Vittorio Brambilla	March 751	Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8	8	8	11
1976	Austrian GP	Osterreichring	John Watson	Penske PC4	Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8	2	2	45
1977	Belgian GP	Zolder	Gunnar Nilsson	Lotus 78	Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8	3	3	21
1977	Swedish GP	Anderstorp	Jacques Laffite	Ligier JS7	Matra 3.0 V12	8	8	3
1977	Austrian GP	Osterreichring	Alan Jones	Shadow DN8	Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8	14	14	11
1978	Monaco GP	Monte Carlo	Patrick Depailler	Tyrrell 008	Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8	5	5	38
1978	Canadian GP	Montréal	Gilles Villeneuve	Ferrari 312T3	Ferrari 3.0 F12	3	3	21
1979	French GP	Dijon	Jean-Pierre Jabouille	Renault RS10	Renault 1.5 V6T	1	1	34
1980	Brazilian GP	Interlagos	René Arnoux	Renault RE20	Renault 1.5 V6T	6	6	16
1980	US West GP	Long Beach	Nélson Piquet	Brabham BT49	Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8	1	1	80
1980	Belgian GP	Zolder	Didier Pironi	Ligier JS11/15	Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8	2	2	72
1981	French GP	Dijon	Alain Prost	Renault RE30	Renault 1.5 V6T	3	3	22
1982	Monaco GP	Monte Carlo	Riccardo Patrese	Brabham BT49D	Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8	2	2	2
1982	German GP	Hockenheim	Patrick Tambay	Ferrari 126C2	Ferrari 1.5 V6T	5	5	27
1982	Austrian GP	Osterreichring	Elio de Angelis	Lotus 91	Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8	7	7	5
1982	Swiss GP	Dijon	Keke Rosberg	Williams FW08	Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8	8	8	2
1982	Las Vegas GP	Las Vegas	Michele Alboreto	Tyrrell 011	Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8	3	3	24
1985	Portuguese GP	Estoril	Ayrton Senna	Lotus 97T	Renault 1.5 V6T	1	1	67
1985	European GP	Brands Hatch	Nigel Mansell	Williams FW10	Honda 1.5 V6T	3	3	67
1986	Mexican GP	Mexico City	Gerhard Berger	Benetton B186	BMW 1.5 L4T	4	4	33
1989	Canadian GP	Montréal	Thierry Boutsen	Williams FW12C	Renault 3.5 V10	6	6	3
1989	Japanese GP	Suzuka	Alessandro Nannini	Benetton B189	Ford HB 3.5 V8	6	6	2
1992	Belgian GP	Spa-Francorchamps	Michael Schumacher	Benetton B192	Ford HB 3.5 V8	3	3	11
1993	Hungarian GP	Hungaroring	Damon Hill	Williams FW15C	Renault 3.5 V10	2	2	77
1995	Canadian GP	Montréal	Jean Alesi	Ferrari 412T2	Ferrari 3.0 V12	5	5	11
1995	British GP	Silverstone	Johnny Herbert	Benetton B195	Renault 3.0 V10	5	5	14
1995	Portuguese GP	Estoril	David Coulthard	Williams FW17	Renault 3.0 V10	1	1	66
1996	European GP	Nürburgring	Jacques Villeneuve	Williams FW18	Renault 3.0 V10	2	2	67
1996	Monaco GP	Monte Carlo	Olivier Panis	Ligier JS43	Mugen-Honda 3.0 V10	14	14	16
1997	San Marino GP	Imola	Heinz-Harald Frentzen	Williams FW19	Renault 3.0 V10	2	2	36
1997	European GP	Jerez	Mika Häkkinen	McLaren MP4/12	Mercedes 3.0 V10	5	5	1
1999	Australian GP	Melbourne	Eddie Irvine	Ferrari F399	Ferrari 3.0 V10	6	6	40
2000	German GP	Hockenheim	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari F1-2000	Ferrari 3.0 V10	18	18	10
2001	San Marino GP	Imola	Ralf Schumacher	Williams FW23	BMW 3.0 V10	3	3	62
2001	Italian GP	Monza	Juan Pablo Montoya	Williams FW23	BMW 3.0 V10	1	1	29
2003	Malaysian GP	Sepang	Kimi Räikkönen	McLaren MP4/17D	Mercedes FO110P	7	7	40
2003	Brazilian GP	Interlagos	Giancarlo Fisichella	Jordan EJ13	Cosworth RS1	8	8	2
2003	Hungarian GP	Hungaroring	Fernando Alonso	Renault R23B	Renault RS23	1	1	68
2006	Hungarian GP	Hungaroring	Jenson Button	Honda RA106	Honda RA806E	4	14	19
2006	Turkish GP	Istanbul	Felipe Massa	Ferrari 248 F1	Ferrari 056	1	1	54
2007	Canadian GP	Montréal	Lewis Hamilton	McLaren MP4/22	Mercedes FO108T	1	1	67
2008	Canadian GP	Montréal	Robert Kubica	BMW F1.08	BMW P86/8	2	2	28
2008	Hungarian GP	Hungaroring	Heikki Kovalainen	McLaren MP4/23	Mercedes FO108V	2	2	9
2008	Italian GP	Monza	Sebastian Vettel	Toro Rosso STR03	Ferrari 056	1	1	49
2009	German GP	Nürburgring	Mark Webber	Red Bull RB5	Renault RS27	1	1	34
2012	Chinese GP	Shanghai	Nico Rosberg	Mercedes F1 W03	Mercedes FO108Z	1	1	48
2012	Spanish GP	Catalunya	Pastor Maldonado	Williams FW34	Renault RS27-2012	2	1	37
2014	Canadian GP	Montréal	Daniel Ricciardo	Red Bull RB10	Renault Energy F1-2014	6	6	3
2016	Spanish GP	Catalunya	Max Verstappen	Red Bull RB12	TAG-Heuer	4	4	27
2017	Russian GP	Sochi	Valtteri Bottas	Mercedes F1 W08	Mercedes M08	3	3	44

The circuits that saw three or more 1st time winners:

Circuit	No. of 1st winners
Indianapolis	10
Monte Carlo	8
Monza	7
Montréal	6
Hungaroring	4
Nürburgring	4
Osterreichring	4
Silverstone	4
Spa-Francorchamps	4
Watkins Glen	4
Zandvoort	4
Dijon	3
Interlagos	3
Kyalami	3
Reims	3

Indy 500 was anomaly of the 50s, but Monaco being the most likely one to see a 1st time winner on the current calendar.

Special mention of Rubens for winning his first race after qualifying 18th.

EFA.

Edited by Dr Z on Thursday 11th May 11:49

[Mr_Thyroid]

Dr Z said:

[triggered]

This is all the 1st time winners working backwards:


I'd put 1992 - 1995 also in your list above. 1982 -1995 seems to be the scarcest period of 1st time winners.

You missed off Damon.

..... and Rene Arnoux.

Edited by Mr_Thyroid on Wednesday 10th May 20:27

Edited by Mr_Thyroid on Wednesday 10th May 20:30

[Dr Z]

Mr_Thyroid said:

You missed off Damon.

..... and Rene Arnoux.

Whoops. Serves me right for posting in haste.

[Flog123]

Dr Z said:

Mr_Thyroid said:

You missed off Damon.

..... and Rene Arnoux.

Whoops. Serves me right for posting in haste.

Also Mika Hakkinen 1997 European Grand prix

[Vocal Minority]

Interesting that The first year with no debut winner was 1954. The next was 1983. It's only after then the gaps seem to expand.

[glazbagun]

Vocal Minority said:

Interesting that The first year with no debut winner was 1954. The next was 1983. It's only after then the gaps seem to expand.

Mortality rates and poor reliability leaving fresh opportunities? Jim Clark often either won or broke down.

[Dr Z]

Flog123 said:

Dr Z said:

Mr_Thyroid said:

You missed off Damon.

..... and Rene Arnoux.

Whoops. Serves me right for posting in haste.

Also Mika Hakkinen 1997 European Grand prix

Updated now with more info. Any more I've missed?

[Dr Z]

Looking through my list, if Bottas were to win the WDC this year, he would join a group of four drivers in history (excluding Farina) to achieve their first race win and WDC in the same year.

The drivers are: Jack Brabham (1959); Graham Hill (1962); Denny Hulme (1967) and Keke Rosberg (1982).

Edited by Dr Z on Thursday 11th May 12:04

[ralphrj]

Dr Z said:

Updated now with more info. Any more I've missed?

How many do you have in total? Bottas was the 107th different winner since the start of the World Drivers Championship.

[Dr Z]

ralphrj said:

How many do you have in total? Bottas was the 107th different winner since the start of the World Drivers Championship.

I do have 107.

[Speed Badger]

Next first time winner will be either Hulkenberg or Charles Leclerc I reckon.