Sebastian Vettel
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Unlike many I thought he Was a knob at red bull, was a knob at Ferrari, only relaunched himself as mr nice guy once he had no championships to fight for.
Enjoyed him as the pantomime baddie at Ferrari and enjoyed his later chilled out years, his 4 championships flatter him.
Don’t blame him for retiring.
Enjoyed him as the pantomime baddie at Ferrari and enjoyed his later chilled out years, his 4 championships flatter him.
Don’t blame him for retiring.
Wills2 said:
entropy said:
Yes, its incredible how short memories some people have claiming Seb
Some people have forgotten why he was sacked by Ferrari because Vettel could no longer handle losing his Golden Boy status in Scuderia such disobeying team orders in Russia 2019 and crashing into Leclerc in Brazil 2020. Or how about barging into Hamilton under the SC at Azerbaijan 2017.
Are these acts of maturity of the incredibly decent sort within the past 5 years or incredibly short, selective memories?
Or multi 21 etc...Fingers became nice and warm when he no longer could be arsed/realised he couldn't win so has been winding down ever since playing Mr nice guy, what was that message he had for Charlie Whiting? Oh yes F**K Off! Shouted over the team radio.Some people have forgotten why he was sacked by Ferrari because Vettel could no longer handle losing his Golden Boy status in Scuderia such disobeying team orders in Russia 2019 and crashing into Leclerc in Brazil 2020. Or how about barging into Hamilton under the SC at Azerbaijan 2017.
Are these acts of maturity of the incredibly decent sort within the past 5 years or incredibly short, selective memories?
Fact remains you don't get into F1 by being a nice guy let alone winning WDCs.
vdn said:
FourWheelDrift said:
sparta6 said:
Where Vettel failed at Ferrari, Alonso would have got the job done
Vettel replaced Alonso at Ferrari because Alonso didn't get the job done.
Literally!
Sad to see him go but it was always coming.
I'm a life long Ferrari fan, remember watching him in the Toro Rosso and saying to my mate hell be WC one day and hopefully drive for Ferrari. Was super excited when he signed but obviously that didn't work out well.
He also drove for my "local" team RBR I was happy watching him win there despite beating Ferrari.
Strange seeing so much "love" for him these days, as he was hated by the brits for so long.
I'm a life long Ferrari fan, remember watching him in the Toro Rosso and saying to my mate hell be WC one day and hopefully drive for Ferrari. Was super excited when he signed but obviously that didn't work out well.
He also drove for my "local" team RBR I was happy watching him win there despite beating Ferrari.
Strange seeing so much "love" for him these days, as he was hated by the brits for so long.
Smollet said:
Muzzer79 said:
Munter said:
Seems great out the car but only won in a cheaty car, never shone in anything else
He has won race(s) in2008 Toro Rosso
2009-2013 Red Bull
2015 Ferrari
2017-2019 Ferrari
Please explain how/why these were all "cheaty cars"
His record always will flatter him and his utterly cretinous driving at times (even in his championship years he was appalling in traffic and in wheel to wheel racing) was bad enough to be dangerous to competitors at times.
His one lap pace was superb in a car that suited him and flattering or not, he’ll always be a four time world champion.
I’d like to remember Seb the man away from the car. His humour, his beliefs and his all round demeanour.
But I won’t forget the colliding with team mates, ramming Hamilton under SC, his utterly inexcusable rant at Charlie over the radio, tripping up in traffic and his utterly incomprehensible ability to fold under pressure like no other world champion I can remember watching and his disobeying of team orders all while completely rewriting events in his own head to justify his actions.
Will still be sad to see him go though.
His one lap pace was superb in a car that suited him and flattering or not, he’ll always be a four time world champion.
I’d like to remember Seb the man away from the car. His humour, his beliefs and his all round demeanour.
But I won’t forget the colliding with team mates, ramming Hamilton under SC, his utterly inexcusable rant at Charlie over the radio, tripping up in traffic and his utterly incomprehensible ability to fold under pressure like no other world champion I can remember watching and his disobeying of team orders all while completely rewriting events in his own head to justify his actions.
Will still be sad to see him go though.
entropy said:
Yes, its incredible how short memories some people have claiming Seb
Some people have forgotten why he was sacked by Ferrari because Vettel could no longer handle losing his Golden Boy status in Scuderia such disobeying team orders in Russia 2019 and crashing into Leclerc in Brazil 2020. Or how about barging into Hamilton under the SC at Azerbaijan 2017.
Are these acts of maturity of the incredibly decent sort within the past 5 years or incredibly short, selective memories?
Been a bit of a run on rose tinted specs in this thread todaySome people have forgotten why he was sacked by Ferrari because Vettel could no longer handle losing his Golden Boy status in Scuderia such disobeying team orders in Russia 2019 and crashing into Leclerc in Brazil 2020. Or how about barging into Hamilton under the SC at Azerbaijan 2017.
Are these acts of maturity of the incredibly decent sort within the past 5 years or incredibly short, selective memories?
Teddy Lop said:
Been a bit of a run on rose tinted specs in this thread today
TBH I never warmed ever since his TR days. Call me churlish but I knew his cheeky smile, British sense of humour/comedy was too good to be true. For all his histrionics Seb never backed it up when the chips were down: 2014 when the trick diffusers and exhaust advantages was gone and beaten by Danny Ricc; being beaten CLC in Ferrari.
For all Alonso's faults he's had some mega drives in a McLaren with a GP2 engine; still went toe-to-toe with Hamilton for the WDC in 2007 despite blackmailing his own employer.
TheDeuce said:
You're reading too much into that I think. Throughout the video his sentence structure and tense is less than perfect - just a trait of it not being his first language.
I think his sentence structure and tense is spot on, but I've spent over 20 years working with "ze Germans", some of whom seemed to be more proficient in English than me. entropy said:
Teddy Lop said:
Been a bit of a run on rose tinted specs in this thread today
TBH I never warmed ever since his TR days. Call me churlish but I knew his cheeky smile, British sense of humour/comedy was too good to be true. For all his histrionics Seb never backed it up when the chips were down: 2014 when the trick diffusers and exhaust advantages was gone and beaten by Danny Ricc; being beaten CLC in Ferrari.
For all Alonso's faults he's had some mega drives in a McLaren with a GP2 engine; still went toe-to-toe with Hamilton for the WDC in 2007 despite blackmailing his own employer.
But the fact remains that, in the blown diffuser era, he was untouchable. Short of Nigel Mansell in the active Williams, I can’t think of a driver-car combination that was so effective.
They don’t give out championships with a rules caveat. You make the most of what you have and, in 2010-2013, Seb made more of it than anyone.
Yes, he’s had transgressions. I was not a fan until fairly recently when, to be fair, he was pretty out of contention. But that lack of competitiveness shines a light on his personality, which is a good thing.
He may have been a bit childish in Canada when he lost the win to Hamilton, but fair play - he did state to the crowd it wasn’t Lewis’ fault and asked them to stop jeering.
Finally, we should acknowledge the couple of great drives he’s had in 1.5 seasons at AM. Baku and Budapest 2021 being cases in point.
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