Sebastian Vettel

Sebastian Vettel

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Pflanzgarten

780 posts

5 months

Thursday 28th July
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LM240 said:
Gushing #thanksseb across F1, but shouldn’t that be all when he does retire at the end of the year?
What, and just not mention it now confused

ch37

9,214 posts

201 months

Thursday 28th July
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Reading many of these comments you'd be mistaken for thinking people can't change over time.

Every driver has lavished him with praise as a friend and human being today, particuarly Lewis and Fernando but this comment from Carlos summarised it quite nicely...

"Everyone in the paddock loves him. You will not hear someone speaking bad about Seb".



Edited by ch37 on Thursday 28th July 22:18

Pflanzgarten

780 posts

5 months

Thursday 28th July
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ch37 said:
Reading many of these comments you'd be mistaken for thinking people can't change over time.

Every driver has lavished him with praise as a friend and human being today, particuarly Lewis and Fernando but this comment from Carlos summarised it quite nicely...

"Everyone in the paddock lives him. You will not hear someone speaking bad about Seb".
Can you imagine Lewis saying “Well, he called Charlie a and rammed me while under the safety car and tried to blame it on me doing something I didn’t do so yeah, nice guy but won’t be missed on the track”

hehe

TheDeuce

14,933 posts

46 months

Thursday 28th July
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Pflanzgarten said:
ch37 said:
Reading many of these comments you'd be mistaken for thinking people can't change over time.

Every driver has lavished him with praise as a friend and human being today, particuarly Lewis and Fernando but this comment from Carlos summarised it quite nicely...

"Everyone in the paddock lives him. You will not hear someone speaking bad about Seb".
Can you imagine Lewis saying “Well, he called Charlie a and rammed me while under the safety car and tried to blame it on me doing something I didn’t do so yeah, nice guy but won’t be missed on the track”

hehe
It's a weird effect Seb has. He absolutely has behaved terribly to many drivers and blamed them all for incidents that were clearly 100% his own fault - yet he gets forgiven and remains on their good side confused

I honestly think it's because it's so obvious that Seb can't help himself and his little episodes that there's no point hating him because of those flaws - might as well shout at a bloke with a cleft lip to stop sneering, it ain't going to happen, it's the way he is. He's a lovely guy that has flaws. I think most of us can't help our flaws, but Seb has at least worked to develop what he gets right, such as his humour and his support of others and causes he believes in.

The younger drivers could never get away with half of it these days no matter how lovely they are in-between 'incidents', so imo his leaving marks a bit of shift between old and new guard. I suppose Max gets away with it due to his army of fans, but I don't think he attracts the same level of appreciation in the way that Seb does as a person.

cgt2

3,817 posts

168 months

Thursday 28th July
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He has matured into a wonderful bloke and only Lewis, Fangio and MS have more titles so his place in the history books is secure.

F1 will be much duller without his wit in press conferences.

TheDeuce

14,933 posts

46 months

Thursday 28th July
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carl_w said:
TheDeuce said:
You're reading too much into that I think. Throughout the video his sentence structure and tense is less than perfect - just a trait of it not being his first language.
I think his sentence structure and tense is spot on, but I've spent over 20 years working with "ze Germans", some of whom seemed to be more proficient in English than me.
I've worked with a lot of Germans too. In that video Seb said 'by the end of 2022 season". He meant he's leaving 'at' the end of the season. Watch it again and you'll see other examples of very proficient English speaking that could still be questioned in terms of tense and intent if pulled apart.

The fact he said 'by' shouldn't give rise to any sort of conspiracy theory imo.

cgt2

3,817 posts

168 months

Thursday 28th July
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TheDeuce said:
I've worked with a lot of Germans too. In that video Seb said 'by the end of 2022 season". He meant he's leaving 'at' the end of the season. Watch it again and you'll see other examples of very proficient English speaking that could still be questioned in terms of tense and intent if pulled apart.

The fact he said 'by' shouldn't give rise to any sort of conspiracy theory imo.
He speaks far better English than a lot of English people I know!

LukeBrown66

2,612 posts

26 months

Thursday 28th July
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I feel lots of stuff here. I really like the guy he has a great sense of humour always has, but his career was blighted for me by being in a car that was leagues faster than anything else, but he can only do his job and that he did. His real pace was shown once the turbo cars came when was owned by Danny Ricc, and then has shown periodic speed since, I also feel he lost his love for the sport at Ferrari.

But away from the track, perhaps the nicest guy around and certainly one I believe will not drive anymore, if he does, only for fun in older stuff, he is a man that should have been racing in the 90's for me, old school.

I also think he will use his profile in the green arena, perhaps being CeO of some green company I would think, or simply being a spokesman, he is passionate about farming and certain things in tat arena, too, he has a huge profile worldwide and I think he will probably try and use this for good.

PhilAsia

1,340 posts

55 months

Friday 29th July
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Don't see anyone saying anything negative outside of the car.

Lewis:

"Seb, it’s been an honour to call you a competitor and an even greater honour to call you my friend,” posted Hamilton on social media.

“Leaving this sport better than you found it is always the goal. I have no doubt whatever comes next for you will be exciting, meaningful and rewarding.

“Love you, man.”

Milkyway

4,667 posts

33 months

Friday 29th July
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As he said, “You don’t know what’s around the next bend”.
Perhaps he has seen enough close shaves & tragedy in the last few years which has prompted him to call it a day.
He wants to be involved in his Children’s growing up & obviously with the punishing schedule now, that’s far from easy.
Perhaps Mrs Vettel has had a word in his ear too. scratchchin

Stuart70

3,164 posts

163 months

Friday 29th July
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Who has the common sense and gravitas to take on his role in the GPDA?

Needs to be elder statesman of drivers, with some nouse about them and some interest in the welfare of the driver community.

Danny Ricc would be a short term appointee (in my opinion), Alonso fails the test, who would you suggest?

Milkyway

4,667 posts

33 months

Friday 29th July
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GPDA: Pierre Gasly...

JoelH

110 posts

10 months

Friday 29th July
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[quote=Milkyway]As he said, “You don’t know what’s around the next bend”.
Perhaps he has seen enough close shaves & tragedy in the last few years which has prompted him to call it a day.
As we know only too well retiring from F1 is no guarantee of something bad not happening.

I think people forget that many of these modern drivers have known nothing else their entire lives so retiring in their late 30's/early 40's is no different to a "normal" person retiring at 60.

rider73

2,432 posts

57 months

Friday 29th July
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Milkyway said:
As he said, “You don’t know what’s around the next bend”.
Perhaps he has seen enough close shaves & tragedy in the last few years which has prompted him to call it a day.
He wants to be involved in his Children’s growing up & obviously with the punishing schedule now, that’s far from easy.
Perhaps Mrs Vettel has had a word in his ear too. scratchchin
yup - perhaps his age and world view has changed when he see's his kids playing in a polluted river and thinks do i really want to be in an industry than complains at getting a budget cap of $150million to spend to gain a 0.2 second advantage over a "car" next to me that also spent $150million, to gain a 0.21 second advantage while we drive around and around on polluting based fuels - at a country that supresses women and other most basic human rights to its population by someone they never voted for, yet i want to speak out about environmental and rights issues.....


usn90

999 posts

50 months

Friday 29th July
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Sebs one of the best characters on the grid, matured over the years, was really hoping he would have a decent car at his disposable this year

HustleRussell

22,018 posts

140 months

Friday 29th July
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Milkyway said:
Perhaps Mrs Vettel has had a word in his ear too. scratchchin
No, she urged him to continue.

vaud

45,392 posts

135 months

Friday 29th July
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Stuart70 said:
Who has the common sense and gravitas to take on his role in the GPDA?

Needs to be elder statesman of drivers, with some nouse about them and some interest in the welfare of the driver community.

Danny Ricc would be a short term appointee (in my opinion), Alonso fails the test, who would you suggest?
Lewis?

And then Vettel can become chairman (displacing Wurz)?

Stuart70

3,164 posts

163 months

Friday 29th July
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Milkyway said:
GPDA: Pierre Gasly...
Sorry to be dense - is that your view or is that what is happening?

I believe that Russell took Grosjean’s role?

Muzzer79

6,661 posts

167 months

Friday 29th July
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TheDeuce said:
It's a weird effect Seb has. He absolutely has behaved terribly to many drivers and blamed them all for incidents that were clearly 100% his own fault - yet he gets forgiven and remains on their good side confused
Perhaps they recognise that they're professional sportsmen; operating in a high adrenaline, high emotion environment and therefore things are said/done in the heat of the moment?

They all do it (shift blame, look at incidents unobjectively)

The ability to respect your competitor and let bygones be bygones is an admirable one. Vettel and Hamilton were perfect protagonists of this during their title battles in 2017-2018, even after Baku '17.


Edited by Muzzer79 on Friday 29th July 09:54

Milkyway

4,667 posts

33 months

Friday 29th July
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Mrs Vettel has bought Seb a prezzie