Max Verstappen

[PhilAsia]

honda_exige said:

paulguitar said:

honda_exige said:

paulguitar said:

isaldiri said:

RB Will said:

WPA said:

Yes other teams got quicker but RB slipped back massively

Didnt one of the F1 journos do an analysis that showed that RB were still up on last year and progressing this year but it was a tiny amount and everyone else had come on leaps and bounds, so RB didnt actually go backwards, just not very forwards.

yeah, no one cares about these pesky facts so it just had to be the supposed brake torque thing that was unquestionably 'cheating' because it was Red Bull.....

We don't know the whole story, but I can't think of quite such a dramatic mid-season loss of form in the past from a previously dominant constructor. So it does look a bit suspicious. Quite a lot suspicious.

Just to check, when are you saying the 'device' was removed, when was the 1st race run without it?

What 'device'?

I dunno, some people have mentioned a 'device'. To be clear when is the 1st race that the RBR ran at after it was nerfed? Or to put it yet another way when was the 1st race that made you suspicious about their lack of form?

Name a race since 2021?

[paulguitar]

honda_exige said:

paulguitar said:

honda_exige said:

paulguitar said:

isaldiri said:

RB Will said:

WPA said:

Yes other teams got quicker but RB slipped back massively

Didnt one of the F1 journos do an analysis that showed that RB were still up on last year and progressing this year but it was a tiny amount and everyone else had come on leaps and bounds, so RB didnt actually go backwards, just not very forwards.

yeah, no one cares about these pesky facts so it just had to be the supposed brake torque thing that was unquestionably 'cheating' because it was Red Bull.....

We don't know the whole story, but I can't think of quite such a dramatic mid-season loss of form in the past from a previously dominant constructor. So it does look a bit suspicious. Quite a lot suspicious.

Just to check, when are you saying the 'device' was removed, when was the 1st race run without it?

What 'device'?

I dunno, some people have mentioned a 'device'. To be clear when is the 1st race that the RBR ran at after it was nerfed? Or to put it yet another way when was the 1st race that made you suspicious about their lack of form?

We had a bunch of races at the start of this season where Verstappen was so dominant that here on PH he was removed from the list of potential winners in the race poll and it became a vote instead on who was going to be second. It was just assumed that Verstappen would win, so crushing was the advantage. That advantage seemed to disappear pretty much completely, and the Red Bull looked on par with the other cars. I don't know what happened and I don't think any of us do.

[honda_exige]

paulguitar said:

honda_exige said:

paulguitar said:

honda_exige said:

paulguitar said:

isaldiri said:

RB Will said:

WPA said:

Yes other teams got quicker but RB slipped back massively

Didnt one of the F1 journos do an analysis that showed that RB were still up on last year and progressing this year but it was a tiny amount and everyone else had come on leaps and bounds, so RB didnt actually go backwards, just not very forwards.

yeah, no one cares about these pesky facts so it just had to be the supposed brake torque thing that was unquestionably 'cheating' because it was Red Bull.....

We don't know the whole story, but I can't think of quite such a dramatic mid-season loss of form in the past from a previously dominant constructor. So it does look a bit suspicious. Quite a lot suspicious.

Just to check, when are you saying the 'device' was removed, when was the 1st race run without it?

What 'device'?

I dunno, some people have mentioned a 'device'. To be clear when is the 1st race that the RBR ran at after it was nerfed? Or to put it yet another way when was the 1st race that made you suspicious about their lack of form?

We had a bunch of races at the start of this season where Verstappen was so dominant that here on PH he was removed from the list of potential winners in the race poll and it became a vote instead on who was going to be second. It was just assumed that Verstappen would win, so crushing was the advantage. That advantage seemed to disappear pretty much completely, and the Red Bull looked on par with the other cars. I don't know what happened and I don't think any of us do.

People keep saying how quick the fall off was, that it was too quick to be explained by the development of the rest, so picking a race should be easy.

Did the dominance gradually decrease over the 1st 7 races he won?

[paulguitar]

EmailAddress said:

I'd swear, you boys could argue about what level the Ground Floor is on.

I'm not arguing with anyone. Just observing that such a big shift in competitivity was unusual.

[PhilAsia]

EmailAddress said:

I'd swear, you boys could argue about what level the Ground Floor is on.

In Philippines it is the first floor...

[PhilAsia]

honda_exige said:

People keep saying how quick the fall off was, that it was too quick to be explained by the development of the rest, so picking a race should be easy.

Did the dominance gradually decrease over the 1st 7 races he won?

It was between the second and third gear change, exiting the fifth corner of the seventh race in practice three...Oh, and on his first run.

[PhilAsia]

paulguitar said:

EmailAddress said:

I'd swear, you boys could argue about what level the Ground Floor is on.

I'm not arguing with anyone. Just observing that such a big shift in competitivity was unusual.

Yep. Some are in a whole bowl of forgetfulness. Yet, when it is not Max or Red Bull...

[anonymous-user]

The Red Bull changed at Miami. Despite winning the next race at San Marino, it was by a whisker and surrounded by complaints the car suddenly couldn't handle bumps. Remember Max constantly understeering completely off the circuit. Remember the panic test of the 2022 car.

I suspect there's been a lot going behind the scenes with many of the teams and the FIA, some of which reaches us and some doesn't.

What is very clear is that up until China Red Bull were in a league of their own again and after it they no longer had the best overall package at any particular race weekend.

[732NM]

EmailAddress said:

I'd swear, you boys could argue about what level the Ground Floor is on.

Isn't that adjustable in parc ferme?

Oh bugger, another advantage removed.

[MustangGT]

732NM said:

EmailAddress said:

I'd swear, you boys could argue about what level the Ground Floor is on.

Isn't that adjustable in parc ferme?

Oh bugger, another advantage removed.

Excellent!

[PhilAsia]

MustangGT said:

732NM said:

EmailAddress said:

I'd swear, you boys could argue about what level the Ground Floor is on.

Isn't that adjustable in parc ferme?

Oh bugger, another advantage removed.

Excellent!

plus 1.... sublime!

[epom]

EmailAddress said:

epom said:

The amount of former World Champions on here slating Lando's mentality is hilarious.

Most people here have watched way more minutes of racing than Lando has participated in.

You don't need to get your boots dirty to Manage.

Crikey, watched racing ? well that's that settled so then. Sorry Lando, you are a flop.

[Longy00000]

[RB Will]

EmailAddress said:

I don't need to hurdle to know this isn't going well...

The knowledge and experience kicks in for the knowing why it is going wrong and how to fix it

[vdn]

EmailAddress said:

I don't need to hurdle to know this isn't going well...

[PhilAsia]

vdn said:

EmailAddress said:

I don't need to hurdle to know this isn't going well...

I think that is perfectly successful, if demonstrating "falling at the first hurdle"

[Longy00000]

Very quiet from the max haters today


Well done max another victory from a huge turnaround over the weekend

[paulguitar]

Longy00000 said:

max haters

This isn't Twitter. Give it a rest.

[PhilAsia]

Longy00000 said:

Very quiet from the max haters today


Well done max another victory from a huge turnaround over the weekend

That is because Max chose to drive exceptionally well, which can often do!

I'll leave it there.

[deadslow]

Longy00000 said:

Very quiet from the max haters today


Well done max another victory from a huge turnaround over the weekend

RedBull's ability to get the set-up sorted after a bad start is fantastic. M4X flawless as ever, and a nice bit of karma for Russell on lap one.