Max Verstappen
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HTP99 said:
davidd said:
thebigmacmoomin said:
Including a half spin on the red flag restart.
I really thought Charles LC should have overtaken him.In retrospect, because it's always easy after the fact, he should have floored it and then could have given the place back later if ordered to by the stewards.
Also, I don't know what the rules are if Max had spun 180 but remained on track. Would everybody have to stop and wait for him to get going again? I wouldn't have though so, I'd imagine you're allowed to pass another car if it's in distress.
Edited by VladD on Tuesday 20th April 15:31
VladD said:
HTP99 said:
davidd said:
thebigmacmoomin said:
Including a half spin on the red flag restart.
I really thought Charles LC should have overtaken him.In retrospect, because it's always easy after the fact, he should have floored it and then could have given the place back later if ordered to by the stewards.
Also, I don't know what the rules are if Max had spun 180 but remained on track. Would everybody have to stop and wait for him to get going again? I wouldn't have though so, I'd imagine you're allowed to pass another car if it's in distress.
Edited by VladD on Tuesday 20th April 15:31
Charlie Clark had two options:
1) Go past, taking the lead, risking a penalty (we all know how crap the stewarding is) and likely getting overtaken again anyway.
2) Stay where he is, with no risk of taking a penalty that could potentially drop him down the order.
I think he did the right thing.
1) Go past, taking the lead, risking a penalty (we all know how crap the stewarding is) and likely getting overtaken again anyway.
2) Stay where he is, with no risk of taking a penalty that could potentially drop him down the order.
I think he did the right thing.
sparta6 said:
sandman77 said:
sparta6 said:
Sure. But in all other sports teams are allowed to practice and develop.
In this instance Mercedes had a massive head start and other teams were prohibited from catching up.
Mercedes didn’t have a head start at all. They were given the exact same info at the same time as all the other teams. In this instance Mercedes had a massive head start and other teams were prohibited from catching up.
What about the other teams ?
This is far more impressive than anything they've done on track.
Muzzer79 said:
sparta6 said:
sandman77 said:
sparta6 said:
Sure. But in all other sports teams are allowed to practice and develop.
In this instance Mercedes had a massive head start and other teams were prohibited from catching up.
Mercedes didn’t have a head start at all. They were given the exact same info at the same time as all the other teams. In this instance Mercedes had a massive head start and other teams were prohibited from catching up.
What about the other teams ?
This is far more impressive than anything they've done on track.
You'll need to drill deeper than that to reveal Mercedes actual PU development timeline
MustangGT said:
sparta6 said:
sandman77 said:
sparta6 said:
Sure. But in all other sports teams are allowed to practice and develop.
In this instance Mercedes had a massive head start and other teams were prohibited from catching up.
Mercedes didn’t have a head start at all. They were given the exact same info at the same time as all the other teams. In this instance Mercedes had a massive head start and other teams were prohibited from catching up.
What about the other teams ?
Do you really need to be spoon-fed information due to an inability to conduct your own research ?
How old are you ? Serious question.
sparta6 said:
Muzzer79 said:
sparta6 said:
sandman77 said:
sparta6 said:
Sure. But in all other sports teams are allowed to practice and develop.
In this instance Mercedes had a massive head start and other teams were prohibited from catching up.
Mercedes didn’t have a head start at all. They were given the exact same info at the same time as all the other teams. In this instance Mercedes had a massive head start and other teams were prohibited from catching up.
What about the other teams ?
This is far more impressive than anything they've done on track.
You'll need to drill deeper than that to reveal Mercedes actual PU development timeline
It's a recurring theme of your posts that you make a dubious claim and then ask people to substantiate it for you.
A comparison would be me claiming that The Queen is a lizard and then telling you to research it to find the evidence why.....
Back up your bullst.
VladD said:
In retrospect, because it's always easy after the fact, he should have floored it and then could have given the place back later if ordered to by the stewards.
Also, I don't know what the rules are if Max had spun 180 but remained on track. Would everybody have to stop and wait for him to get going again? I wouldn't have though so, I'd imagine you're allowed to pass another car if it's in distress.
Edited by VladD on Tuesday 20th April 15:31
kiseca said:
sparta6 said:
Blimey !
Do you really need to be spoon-fed information due to an inability to conduct your own research ?
How old are you ? Serious question.
You made the claim. Back it up or shut up.Do you really need to be spoon-fed information due to an inability to conduct your own research ?
How old are you ? Serious question.
He’s got nothing but what’s in his mind.
sparta6 said:
MustangGT said:
sparta6 said:
sandman77 said:
sparta6 said:
Sure. But in all other sports teams are allowed to practice and develop.
In this instance Mercedes had a massive head start and other teams were prohibited from catching up.
Mercedes didn’t have a head start at all. They were given the exact same info at the same time as all the other teams. In this instance Mercedes had a massive head start and other teams were prohibited from catching up.
What about the other teams ?
Do you really need to be spoon-fed information due to an inability to conduct your own research ?
How old are you ? Serious question.
Do you really think a company would invest tens of millions developing a race engine for a non-defined formula in the hopes that they got the specification 100% correct years in advance?
Really?
As for how old I am? I watched my first F1 race in the early 1970's and have been driving for coming up for 45 years.
Muzzer79 said:
Considering the hybrid regulations were only finalised in 2011 and went live in 2014, you're telling us that Mercedes have invented a time machine.
This is far more impressive than anything they've done on track.
Why are you even arguing about this. This is where the rumour came from that Mercedes had been developing the engine since 2007 - Lauda via Montezemolo, not someone on PH who refuses to reveal his sources. He hasn't but I will do it for him.This is far more impressive than anything they've done on track.
https://www.grandprix247.com/2017/02/01/montezemol...
Of course they didn't know in 2007 or 2011 what the rules would be exactly, but as Mercedes themselves say, they have been developing it since 2007!
"The beginnings of the hybrid era in Formula One date back all the way to 2007" and;
"While it's more advanced and more powerful than the 2009 KERS, the basic principle is similar."
https://www.mercedesamgf1.com/en/news/2019/08/eq-p...
Yes they did most of the work in 2013 for the 2014 season, and no there was not some engine in 2007 or 2011 or whenever that sat, waiting, on the shelf, ready to go for 2014, but all the groundwork and the continual development had been ongoing since 2007 and it all came together in 2013 for 2014, so stop arguing.
https://the-race.com/formula-1/the-incredible-orig...
It is obvious that they did so much groundwork for so long, because of how competitive they have been. If they had not, then they would have been like Honda when they first came back into the hybrid era.
Mr_Thyroid said:
VladD said:
In retrospect, because it's always easy after the fact, he should have floored it and then could have given the place back later if ordered to by the stewards.
Also, I don't know what the rules are if Max had spun 180 but remained on track. Would everybody have to stop and wait for him to get going again? I wouldn't have though so, I'd imagine you're allowed to pass another car if it's in distress.
Edited by VladD on Tuesday 20th April 15:31
LucyP said:
Muzzer79 said:
Considering the hybrid regulations were only finalised in 2011 and went live in 2014, you're telling us that Mercedes have invented a time machine.
This is far more impressive than anything they've done on track.
Why are you even arguing about this. This is where the rumour came from that Mercedes had been developing the engine since 2007 - Lauda via Montezemolo, not someone on PH who refuses to reveal his sources. He hasn't but I will do it for him.This is far more impressive than anything they've done on track.
https://www.grandprix247.com/2017/02/01/montezemol...
Of course they didn't know in 2007 or 2011 what the rules would be exactly, but as Mercedes themselves say, they have been developing it since 2007!
"The beginnings of the hybrid era in Formula One date back all the way to 2007" and;
"While it's more advanced and more powerful than the 2009 KERS, the basic principle is similar."
https://www.mercedesamgf1.com/en/news/2019/08/eq-p...
Yes they did most of the work in 2013 for the 2014 season, and no there was not some engine in 2007 or 2011 or whenever that sat, waiting, on the shelf, ready to go for 2014, but all the groundwork and the continual development had been ongoing since 2007 and it all came together in 2013 for 2014, so stop arguing.
https://the-race.com/formula-1/the-incredible-orig...
It is obvious that they did so much groundwork for so long, because of how competitive they have been. If they had not, then they would have been like Honda when they first came back into the hybrid era.
The insinuation from the anti-Hamilton was that Mercedes had some kind of head start or unfair advantage on everyone else with the hybrid era.
I clarified that the rules were only finalised in 2011.
You have then cited articles linking the engine to KERS, etc but you seem to be missing the point
Ferrari & Renault both produced hybrid powertrains and were both in Formula One during the 2000s and 2010s.
Mercedes have done nothing that the other manufacturers couldn't have.
Indeed, your first article states:
"FIA chief Jean Todt said at the time, “Mercedes, Renault and Ferrari knew for five years what engines they would need to use this year. Mercedes has simply done a better job. Such is motor sport.”
Back in your box.
HighwayStar said:
kiseca said:
sparta6 said:
Blimey !
Do you really need to be spoon-fed information due to an inability to conduct your own research ?
How old are you ? Serious question.
You made the claim. Back it up or shut up.Do you really need to be spoon-fed information due to an inability to conduct your own research ?
How old are you ? Serious question.
He’s got nothing but what’s in his mind.
For the uninitiated and lazy PH peeps, here's a starter for ten
https://www.grandprix247.com/2017/02/01/montezemol...
sparta6 said:
HighwayStar said:
kiseca said:
sparta6 said:
Blimey !
Do you really need to be spoon-fed information due to an inability to conduct your own research ?
How old are you ? Serious question.
You made the claim. Back it up or shut up.Do you really need to be spoon-fed information due to an inability to conduct your own research ?
How old are you ? Serious question.
He’s got nothing but what’s in his mind.
For the uninitiated and lazy PH peeps, here's a starter for ten
https://www.grandprix247.com/2017/02/01/montezemol...
“ FIA chief Jean Todt said at the time, “Mercedes, Renault and Ferrari knew for five years what engines they would need to use this year. Mercedes has simply done a better job. Such is motor sport.”
So what were Renault and Ferrari up to in those 5yrs?
Plus Ferrari were busy vetoing the original plan to use V4 because they wanted to go V6.
https://www.sportskeeda.com/f1/finally-engine-regu...
The bottom line is Merc did a better job which they wouldn’t have known until they went racing. Honda struggled at the start but look where they are now. Says a lot about Ferrari and Renault’s ability to develop to the Hybrid rules.
Edited by HighwayStar on Thursday 22 April 16:32
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
think when asked Masi said because it was effectively the parade lap, had Verstappen been passed, he would have been able to reclaim the position so long as it was before the safety car line.
If CLC had ‘gone’ as soon as Max was off the track, Max would have had the same penalty as Kimi (10s stop/go, commuted to 30s race time) if he’d not entered the pit lane and put himself to the back. Charles had a split second to make the call and IMO called it safe but wrong. If it had been LH and VB behind, they’d almost certainly have ‘gone’ as soon as MV was not in total control of his car. Max would probably have got the pit lane penalty as well, which would have made for quite the discussions after the race.
sparta6 said:
HighwayStar said:
kiseca said:
sparta6 said:
Blimey !
Do you really need to be spoon-fed information due to an inability to conduct your own research ?
How old are you ? Serious question.
You made the claim. Back it up or shut up.Do you really need to be spoon-fed information due to an inability to conduct your own research ?
How old are you ? Serious question.
He’s got nothing but what’s in his mind.
For the uninitiated and lazy PH peeps, here's a starter for ten
https://www.grandprix247.com/2017/02/01/montezemol...
sparta6 said:
In this instance Mercedes had a massive head start and other teams were prohibited from catching up.
Sandpit Steve said:
If CLC had ‘gone’ as soon as Max was off the track, Max would have had the same penalty as Kimi (10s stop/go, commuted to 30s race time) if he’d not entered the pit lane and put himself to the back.
If Max went off the track and got overtaken by someone, Max would receive a penalty unless he entered the pit lane??Wtf?
What's the reason behind this?
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