Max Verstappen
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aston80 said:
Sandpit Steve said:
If CLC had ‘gone’ as soon as Max was off the track, Max would have had the same penalty as Kimi (10s stop/go, commuted to 30s race time) if he’d not entered the pit lane and put himself to the back.
If Max went off the track and got overtaken by someone, Max would receive a penalty unless he entered the pit lane??Wtf?
What's the reason behind this?
Kimi judgement: https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-d...
Sandpit Steve said:
aston80 said:
Sandpit Steve said:
If CLC had ‘gone’ as soon as Max was off the track, Max would have had the same penalty as Kimi (10s stop/go, commuted to 30s race time) if he’d not entered the pit lane and put himself to the back.
If Max went off the track and got overtaken by someone, Max would receive a penalty unless he entered the pit lane??Wtf?
What's the reason behind this?
Kimi judgement: https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-d...
Muzzer79 said:
sparta6 said:
HighwayStar said:
kiseca said:
sparta6 said:
Blimey !
Do you really need to be spoon-fed information due to an inability to conduct your own research ?
How old are you ? Serious question.
You made the claim. Back it up or shut up.Do you really need to be spoon-fed information due to an inability to conduct your own research ?
How old are you ? Serious question.
He’s got nothing but what’s in his mind.
For the uninitiated and lazy PH peeps, here's a starter for ten
https://www.grandprix247.com/2017/02/01/montezemol...
sparta6 said:
In this instance Mercedes had a massive head start and other teams were prohibited from catching up.
“Lauda recently confessed to me that Mercedes were already working [on their hybrid engine] since 2007 and that’s why they so adamant during the negotiations to introduce V6 engines from 2014.”
sparta6 said:
Muzzer79 said:
sparta6 said:
HighwayStar said:
kiseca said:
sparta6 said:
Blimey !
Do you really need to be spoon-fed information due to an inability to conduct your own research ?
How old are you ? Serious question.
You made the claim. Back it up or shut up.Do you really need to be spoon-fed information due to an inability to conduct your own research ?
How old are you ? Serious question.
He’s got nothing but what’s in his mind.
For the uninitiated and lazy PH peeps, here's a starter for ten
https://www.grandprix247.com/2017/02/01/montezemol...
sparta6 said:
In this instance Mercedes had a massive head start and other teams were prohibited from catching up.
“Lauda recently confessed to me that Mercedes were already working [on their hybrid engine] since 2007 and that’s why they so adamant during the negotiations to introduce V6 engines from 2014.”
Explain how the other teams were prohibited from doing what Mercedes did or from catching up, as you claim.
Do you need me to draw this in crayons?
95 fiesta si said:
Even if CL passed him when max had a wobble, would of made no difference, the pace Max had he would of breezed passed him anyway like What Lewis did on those 8 cars in the last 10 laps
If CL had passed him, Max would have been out of position at the restart and required to start from the pit lane in last place. See Raikkonen judgement for that offence at the same restart. Muzzer79 said:
sparta6 said:
Muzzer79 said:
sparta6 said:
HighwayStar said:
kiseca said:
sparta6 said:
Blimey !
Do you really need to be spoon-fed information due to an inability to conduct your own research ?
How old are you ? Serious question.
You made the claim. Back it up or shut up.Do you really need to be spoon-fed information due to an inability to conduct your own research ?
How old are you ? Serious question.
He’s got nothing but what’s in his mind.
For the uninitiated and lazy PH peeps, here's a starter for ten
https://www.grandprix247.com/2017/02/01/montezemol...
sparta6 said:
In this instance Mercedes had a massive head start and other teams were prohibited from catching up.
“Lauda recently confessed to me that Mercedes were already working [on their hybrid engine] since 2007 and that’s why they so adamant during the negotiations to introduce V6 engines from 2014.”
Explain how the other teams were prohibited from doing what Mercedes did or from catching up, as you claim.
Do you need me to draw this in crayons?
Lauda coughed.
You must've also missed the FIA development freezes and token bulls
t designed to protect Mercedes advantage.Toto's agenda for domination was well and truly served up in a frying pan by the FIA.
Todt should walk the plank
sparta6 said:
Spin it any way you like buttercup.
Lauda coughed.
You must've also missed the FIA development freezes and token bullst designed to protect Mercedes advantage.
Toto's agenda for domination was well and truly served up in a frying pan by the FIA.
Todt should walk the plank
Ah, I see - you’re a tin-foil-hat guy. Makes sense.Lauda coughed.
You must've also missed the FIA development freezes and token bulls
t designed to protect Mercedes advantage.Toto's agenda for domination was well and truly served up in a frying pan by the FIA.
Todt should walk the plank
If what you’re saying is true, perhaps Todt used a small percentage of his techniques from years of protecting Ferrari’s advantage so Schumacher could get his titles.......
Big love.
sparta6 said:
Muzzer79 said:
sparta6 said:
HighwayStar said:
kiseca said:
sparta6 said:
Blimey !
Do you really need to be spoon-fed information due to an inability to conduct your own research ?
How old are you ? Serious question.
You made the claim. Back it up or shut up.Do you really need to be spoon-fed information due to an inability to conduct your own research ?
How old are you ? Serious question.
He’s got nothing but what’s in his mind.
For the uninitiated and lazy PH peeps, here's a starter for ten
https://www.grandprix247.com/2017/02/01/montezemol...
sparta6 said:
In this instance Mercedes had a massive head start and other teams were prohibited from catching up.
“Lauda recently confessed to me that Mercedes were already working [on their hybrid engine] since 2007 and that’s why they so adamant during the negotiations to introduce V6 engines from 2014.”
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/13878359
As for your FIA stitch up. If Ferrari and Renault had done a better job in the 5yrs they knew Hybrid was coming maybe they would’ve benefited from the token system. It’s 2021 and where are they now? What have they been doing? Oh yes, Ferrari decided cheating was the best option and managed to f
k that up too! Honda have been on the scene, a relatively short time and have grasped what Ferrari and Renault haven’t.Maybe RedBull will get it done now they’ve recruited one of Mercedes top engine men to run their power train operation.
Edited by HighwayStar on Saturday 24th April 08:33
HighwayStar said:
sparta6 said:
Muzzer79 said:
sparta6 said:
HighwayStar said:
kiseca said:
sparta6 said:
Blimey !
Do you really need to be spoon-fed information due to an inability to conduct your own research ?
How old are you ? Serious question.
You made the claim. Back it up or shut up.Do you really need to be spoon-fed information due to an inability to conduct your own research ?
How old are you ? Serious question.
He’s got nothing but what’s in his mind.
For the uninitiated and lazy PH peeps, here's a starter for ten
https://www.grandprix247.com/2017/02/01/montezemol...
sparta6 said:
In this instance Mercedes had a massive head start and other teams were prohibited from catching up.
“Lauda recently confessed to me that Mercedes were already working [on their hybrid engine] since 2007 and that’s why they so adamant during the negotiations to introduce V6 engines from 2014.”
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/13878359
As for your FIA stitch up. If Ferrari and Renault had done a better job in the 5yrs they new Hybrid was coming maybe they would’ve benefited from the token system. It’s 2021 and where are they now? What have they been doing? Oh yes, Ferrari decided cheating was the best option and managed to f
k that up too! Honda have been on the scene, a relatively short time and have grasped what Ferrari and Renault haven’t.Maybe RedBull will get it done now they’ve recruited one of Mercedes top engine men to run their power train operation.
Dismantling Sparta with facts... there's a pattern emerging here!
HighwayStar said:
As for your FIA stitch up. If Ferrari and Renault had done a better job in the 5yrs they knew Hybrid was coming maybe they would’ve benefited from the token system. It’s 2021 and where are they now? What have they been doing? Oh yes, Ferrari decided cheating was the best option and managed to fk that up too! Honda have been on the scene, a relatively short time and have grasped what Ferrari and Renault haven’t.
Maybe RedBull will get it done now they’ve recruited one of Mercedes top engine men to run their power train operation.
7 years development is greater.k that up too! Honda have been on the scene, a relatively short time and have grasped what Ferrari and Renault haven’t.Maybe RedBull will get it done now they’ve recruited one of Mercedes top engine men to run their power train operation.
Edited by HighwayStar on Saturday 24th April 08:33
Seems pretty clear Lauda knew Mercedes would smash it with their advantage, and subsequent development freezes.
Todt is leaving and cars are now closer at the front. Must be a coincidence.
HighwayStar said:
You totally ignored that Ferrari pushed for the V6. The original plan was for 4cyl engines but Ferrari objected on the grounds that they would not have a 4cyl in their road cars.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/13878359
As for your FIA stitch up. If Ferrari and Renault had done a better job in the 5yrs they knew Hybrid was coming maybe they would’ve benefited from the token system. It’s 2021 and where are they now? What have they been doing? Oh yes, Ferrari decided cheating was the best option and managed to fk that up too! Honda have been on the scene, a relatively short time and have grasped what Ferrari and Renault haven’t.
Maybe RedBull will get it done now they’ve recruited one of Mercedes top engine men to run their power train operation.
That's a good point regards Honda being able to leapfrog Renault and Ferrari - it totally undermines the theory that whatever initial advantage Mercedes supposedly had, would somehow be enough to keep them ahead so many years later.https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/13878359
As for your FIA stitch up. If Ferrari and Renault had done a better job in the 5yrs they knew Hybrid was coming maybe they would’ve benefited from the token system. It’s 2021 and where are they now? What have they been doing? Oh yes, Ferrari decided cheating was the best option and managed to f
k that up too! Honda have been on the scene, a relatively short time and have grasped what Ferrari and Renault haven’t.Maybe RedBull will get it done now they’ve recruited one of Mercedes top engine men to run their power train operation.
Also neatly outlines just how disappointing Renault have been this era. They were also consulting with F1 regards the hybrid spec years in advance - as a long term and valuable F1 engine supplier themselves their desires in terms of spec would've been no less influencial than Mercedes..
In the end, Mercedes simply did a better job initially, and now honda are indeed proving that it's possible to catch up, maybe even overtake them.. shame on Renault and Ferrari for not being as capable
TheDeuce said:
HighwayStar said:
You totally ignored that Ferrari pushed for the V6. The original plan was for 4cyl engines but Ferrari objected on the grounds that they would not have a 4cyl in their road cars.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/13878359
As for your FIA stitch up. If Ferrari and Renault had done a better job in the 5yrs they knew Hybrid was coming maybe they would’ve benefited from the token system. It’s 2021 and where are they now? What have they been doing? Oh yes, Ferrari decided cheating was the best option and managed to fk that up too! Honda have been on the scene, a relatively short time and have grasped what Ferrari and Renault haven’t.
Maybe RedBull will get it done now they’ve recruited one of Mercedes top engine men to run their power train operation.
That's a good point regards Honda being able to leapfrog Renault and Ferrari - it totally undermines the theory that whatever initial advantage Mercedes supposedly had, would somehow be enough to keep them ahead so many years later.https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/13878359
As for your FIA stitch up. If Ferrari and Renault had done a better job in the 5yrs they knew Hybrid was coming maybe they would’ve benefited from the token system. It’s 2021 and where are they now? What have they been doing? Oh yes, Ferrari decided cheating was the best option and managed to f
k that up too! Honda have been on the scene, a relatively short time and have grasped what Ferrari and Renault haven’t.Maybe RedBull will get it done now they’ve recruited one of Mercedes top engine men to run their power train operation.
Also neatly outlines just how disappointing Renault have been this era. They were also consulting with F1 regards the hybrid spec years in advance - as a long term and valuable F1 engine supplier themselves their desires in terms of spec would've been no less influencial than Mercedes..
In the end, Mercedes simply did a better job initially, and now honda are indeed proving that it's possible to catch up, maybe even overtake them.. shame on Renault and Ferrari for not being as capable
Whatever happened to Carlos Ghosn?
I'd say that Renault's budget is a great example of how not spending enough on something ensures that any money that is spent, is entirely wasted.
Maybe someone else has a different way of viewing the marketing value for Renault, but for the life of me I can't see how it's good for their brand to get soundly beaten by other teams that spend less, or in the case of McLaren, beaten with their own engine... Also all the reliability issues, the awkwardness of having no PU customers.. basically slow, unreliable and unpopular - these are not desirable words to associate with a car brand.
Maybe someone else has a different way of viewing the marketing value for Renault, but for the life of me I can't see how it's good for their brand to get soundly beaten by other teams that spend less, or in the case of McLaren, beaten with their own engine... Also all the reliability issues, the awkwardness of having no PU customers.. basically slow, unreliable and unpopular - these are not desirable words to associate with a car brand.
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