Max Verstappen

[vaud]

Jake899 said:

So, anyway.... Verstappen is pretty good ain't he.

Yes, he’s an outstanding talent.

[Sandpit Steve]

vaud said:

Jake899 said:

So, anyway.... Verstappen is pretty good ain't he.

Yes, he’s an outstanding talent.

Third in the championship for the past two seasons, and a good chance of finishing at least second this year. Not bad at all for someone who’s still only 23.

[AmoCS]

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/14275...

[95 fiesta si]

the lads bloody brilliant and only missed out to 2nd place in the drivers championship last year by 9 points to a dominant Mercedes...all be it Bottas's one. That's still some going. Clearly a future Champion i have no doubt, maybe even as early as this year. My only issue with the Redbull isn't its speed, its gonna be its reliability over the course of a season, we have seen how bullet proof the Mercs are, could this be its downfall ?

[TheDeuce]

95 fiesta si said:

the lads bloody brilliant and only missed out to 2nd place in the drivers championship last year by 9 points to a dominant Mercedes...all be it Bottas's one. That's still some going. Clearly a future Champion i have no doubt, maybe even as early as this year. My only issue with the Redbull isn't its speed, its gonna be its reliability over the course of a season it is, we have seen how bullet proof the Mercs are, could this be its downfall ?

Also in 2019, with Ferrari employing full 'cheat mode' he actually beat both Ferrari drivers in the WDC... That's quite a feat. On merit that was RB beating Ferrari imo, albeit on paper RB were hampered by Gasly then Albon simply not picking up enough points to support Max's efforts.

Reliability will be key for both RB and Merc this season. The cars (despite the fanciful figures some people are repeating) look very close to me - certainly far closer than the difference reliability can make in a season.

[kiseca]

TheDeuce said:

95 fiesta si said:

the lads bloody brilliant and only missed out to 2nd place in the drivers championship last year by 9 points to a dominant Mercedes...all be it Bottas's one. That's still some going. Clearly a future Champion i have no doubt, maybe even as early as this year. My only issue with the Redbull isn't its speed, its gonna be its reliability over the course of a season it is, we have seen how bullet proof the Mercs are, could this be its downfall ?

Also in 2019, with Ferrari employing full 'cheat mode' he actually beat both Ferrari drivers in the WDC... That's quite a feat. On merit that was RB beating Ferrari imo, albeit on paper RB were hampered by Gasly then Albon simply not picking up enough points to support Max's efforts.

Reliability will be key for both RB and Merc this season. The cars (despite the fanciful figures some people are repeating) look very close to me - certainly far closer than the difference reliability can make in a season.

Albon picked up more points than Max in the races they had together, up until either the last or second last one. I forget, but it was only when Max won a race that he was outscoring Albon in a Red Bull that year. The next year, 2020, completely different story of course

I think that, because of his torrid 2020, a lot seem to forget that when Albon joined the team in 2019 he was actually looking pretty handy that year.

Edited by kiseca on Wednesday 28th April 16:36

[TheDeuce]

kiseca said:

TheDeuce said:

95 fiesta si said:

the lads bloody brilliant and only missed out to 2nd place in the drivers championship last year by 9 points to a dominant Mercedes...all be it Bottas's one. That's still some going. Clearly a future Champion i have no doubt, maybe even as early as this year. My only issue with the Redbull isn't its speed, its gonna be its reliability over the course of a season it is, we have seen how bullet proof the Mercs are, could this be its downfall ?

Also in 2019, with Ferrari employing full 'cheat mode' he actually beat both Ferrari drivers in the WDC... That's quite a feat. On merit that was RB beating Ferrari imo, albeit on paper RB were hampered by Gasly then Albon simply not picking up enough points to support Max's efforts.

Reliability will be key for both RB and Merc this season. The cars (despite the fanciful figures some people are repeating) look very close to me - certainly far closer than the difference reliability can make in a season.

Albon picked up more points than Max in the races they had together, up until either the last or second last one. I forget, but it was only when Max won a race that he was outscoring Albon in a Red Bull that year. The next year, 2020, completely different story of course

I think that, because of his torrid 2020, a lot seem to forget that when Albon joined the team in 2019 he was actually looking pretty handy that year.

Edited by kiseca on Wednesday 28th April 16:36

He was looking promising and it was shocking how quickly that turned around in 2020. I would however caveat his stronger performance in 2019 with the fact that max had a few various issues in the same period. Max overall in 2019 was very impressive and effectively beat Ferrari in a (probably) lesser car.

Although I'd have to give equal credit to Ferrari for being Ferrari and throwing away so much opportunity most weekends

[kiseca]

TheDeuce said:

kiseca said:

TheDeuce said:

95 fiesta si said:

the lads bloody brilliant and only missed out to 2nd place in the drivers championship last year by 9 points to a dominant Mercedes...all be it Bottas's one. That's still some going. Clearly a future Champion i have no doubt, maybe even as early as this year. My only issue with the Redbull isn't its speed, its gonna be its reliability over the course of a season it is, we have seen how bullet proof the Mercs are, could this be its downfall ?

Also in 2019, with Ferrari employing full 'cheat mode' he actually beat both Ferrari drivers in the WDC... That's quite a feat. On merit that was RB beating Ferrari imo, albeit on paper RB were hampered by Gasly then Albon simply not picking up enough points to support Max's efforts.

Reliability will be key for both RB and Merc this season. The cars (despite the fanciful figures some people are repeating) look very close to me - certainly far closer than the difference reliability can make in a season.

Albon picked up more points than Max in the races they had together, up until either the last or second last one. I forget, but it was only when Max won a race that he was outscoring Albon in a Red Bull that year. The next year, 2020, completely different story of course

I think that, because of his torrid 2020, a lot seem to forget that when Albon joined the team in 2019 he was actually looking pretty handy that year.

Edited by kiseca on Wednesday 28th April 16:36

He was looking promising and it was shocking how quickly that turned around in 2020. I would however caveat his stronger performance in 2019 with the fact that max had a few various issues in the same period. Max overall in 2019 was very impressive and effectively beat Ferrari in a (probably) lesser car.

Although I'd have to give equal credit to Ferrari for being Ferrari and throwing away so much opportunity most weekends

Yep, Max had issues for sure in the second half of 2019 that took points away from him, and even then Albon never looked quicker - he just didn't look as far off Max as he did in 2020. But, he did have a promising start. Maybe because we were all comparing him to Gasly at the time!

[Dermot O'Logical]

Alex Albon's CV would look much better if he hadn't been punted off twice by Lewis Hamilton when he (Albon) was heading for at least a podium place, or possibly a win.

Something which is very apparent in these threads is that the discussion on Sebastian Vettel, for example, or Max Verstappen, turns into a forensic examination of their errors or weaknesses, whereas the Lewis Hamilton thread is almost exclusively a rimming fest.

[kiseca]

Dermot O'Logical said:

Alex Albon's CV would look much better if he hadn't been punted off twice by Lewis Hamilton when he (Albon) was heading for at least a podium place, or possibly a win.

Something which is very apparent in these threads is that the discussion on Sebastian Vettel, for example, or Max Verstappen, turns into a forensic examination of their errors or weaknesses, whereas the Lewis Hamilton thread is almost exclusively a rimming fest.

How are you managing to ignore all of Sparta's posts? I'd love to know.

[TheDeuce]

Dermot O'Logical said:

Alex Albon's CV would look much better if he hadn't been punted off twice by Lewis Hamilton when he (Albon) was heading for at least a podium place, or possibly a win.

Something which is very apparent in these threads is that the discussion on Sebastian Vettel, for example, or Max Verstappen, turns into a forensic examination of their errors or weaknesses, whereas the Lewis Hamilton thread is almost exclusively a rimming fest.

The LH thread is almost exclusively Sparta talking about the best car, and how he doesn't understand F1

[sparta6]

Dermot O'Logical said:

Something which is very apparent in these threads is that the discussion on Sebastian Vettel, for example, or Max Verstappen, turns into a forensic examination of their errors or weaknesses, whereas the Lewis Hamilton thread is almost exclusively a rimming fest.

You've noticed that too ?

[Gazzab]

sparta6 said:

Dermot O'Logical said:

Something which is very apparent in these threads is that the discussion on Sebastian Vettel, for example, or Max Verstappen, turns into a forensic examination of their errors or weaknesses, whereas the Lewis Hamilton thread is almost exclusively a rimming fest.

You've noticed that too ?

I disagree. Hamilton makes mistakes - look at his recent off track excursion that cost him his front wing. He was lucky that there was a red flag and that helped him get back up the order. He was criticised. The difference though is that Hamilton is No 1 - those that are chasing him need to minimise if not eradicate mistakes to stand a chance of beating him. So any mistake made by Verstappen is going to come under scrutiny as it’s not helping him achieve this goal whereas Hamilton has nothing to prove.

[sparta6]

95 fiesta si said:

the lads bloody brilliant and only missed out to 2nd place in the drivers championship last year by 9 points to a dominant Mercedes...all be it Bottas's one. That's still some going. Clearly a future Champion i have no doubt, maybe even as early as this year. My only issue with the Redbull isn't its speed, its gonna be its reliability over the course of a season, we have seen how bullet proof the Mercs are, could this be its downfall ?

Red Bull still needs more straight line speed.
If it gets close towards end of season Mercedes will just turn their engines up.
Engines turned down are to create the show that Liberty needs.

[sparta6]

Gazzab said:

sparta6 said:

Dermot O'Logical said:

Something which is very apparent in these threads is that the discussion on Sebastian Vettel, for example, or Max Verstappen, turns into a forensic examination of their errors or weaknesses, whereas the Lewis Hamilton thread is almost exclusively a rimming fest.

You've noticed that too ?

I disagree. Hamilton makes mistakes - look at his recent off track excursion that cost him his front wing. He was lucky that there was a red flag and that helped him get back up the order. He was criticised. The difference though is that Hamilton is No 1 - those that are chasing him need to minimise if not eradicate mistakes to stand a chance of beating him. So any mistake made by Verstappen is going to come under scrutiny as it’s not helping him achieve this goal whereas Hamilton has nothing to prove.

Agree the pressure is on Max this season and splitting the Mercs is a start.

Mercedes still looks the fastest car even with their engines turned down

[Gazzab]

sparta6 said:

Agree the pressure is on Max this season and splitting the Mercs is a start.

Mercedes still looks the fastest car even with their engines turned down

He split them last season. If you look at last season and ignore the dnf’s then the average place for verstappen was 2.4 whereas for bottas the bottle it was 4.3.

[95 fiesta si]

Great start and maxed the pace on that RB today, just short of performance to Lewis and the Merc, over 1 min ahead of Perez

[WickerBill]

95 fiesta si said:

Great start and maxed the pace on that RB today, just short of performance to Lewis and the Merc, over 1 min ahead of Perez

Agreed

He’s an outstanding talent, as a Lewis fan I have no hesitation in saying that.

I saw this year as a make or break for Max, brining Perez in, it was a good yard stick but just as Lewis is embarrassing Bottas, Max is embarrassing Perez.

Savour this year people, watching Max and Lewis push each other is special. May the best man win (whoever that is)

[CoolHands]

Max has definitely mentally developed compared with previous years. Today would have been toys out pram a year or two ago.

[95 fiesta si]

CoolHands said:

Max has definitely mentally developed compared with previous years. Today would have been toys out pram a year or two ago.

I think thats as much to do with his coming of age as it experience, we forget cause he seems to of been around for years now that his still only 23.