Max Verstappen

Max Verstappen

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Jake899

58 posts

9 months

Tuesday 27th April
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So, anyway.... Verstappen is pretty good ain't he.

vaud

40,122 posts

120 months

Tuesday 27th April
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Jake899 said:
So, anyway.... Verstappen is pretty good ain't he.
Yes, he’s an outstanding talent.

Sandpit Steve

2,759 posts

39 months

Tuesday 27th April
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vaud said:
Jake899 said:
So, anyway.... Verstappen is pretty good ain't he.
Yes, he’s an outstanding talent.
Third in the championship for the past two seasons, and a good chance of finishing at least second this year. Not bad at all for someone who’s still only 23.

95 fiesta si

1,174 posts

117 months

Wednesday 28th April
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the lads bloody brilliant and only missed out to 2nd place in the drivers championship last year by 9 points to a dominant Mercedes...all be it Bottas's one. That's still some going. Clearly a future Champion i have no doubt, maybe even as early as this year. My only issue with the Redbull isn't its speed, its gonna be its reliability over the course of a season, we have seen how bullet proof the Mercs are, could this be its downfall ?

TheDeuce

9,108 posts

31 months

Wednesday 28th April
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95 fiesta si said:
the lads bloody brilliant and only missed out to 2nd place in the drivers championship last year by 9 points to a dominant Mercedes...all be it Bottas's one. That's still some going. Clearly a future Champion i have no doubt, maybe even as early as this year. My only issue with the Redbull isn't its speed, its gonna be its reliability over the course of a season it is, we have seen how bullet proof the Mercs are, could this be its downfall ?
Also in 2019, with Ferrari employing full 'cheat mode' he actually beat both Ferrari drivers in the WDC... That's quite a feat. On merit that was RB beating Ferrari imo, albeit on paper RB were hampered by Gasly then Albon simply not picking up enough points to support Max's efforts.

Reliability will be key for both RB and Merc this season. The cars (despite the fanciful figures some people are repeating) look very close to me - certainly far closer than the difference reliability can make in a season.

kiseca

8,910 posts

184 months

Wednesday 28th April
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TheDeuce said:
95 fiesta si said:
the lads bloody brilliant and only missed out to 2nd place in the drivers championship last year by 9 points to a dominant Mercedes...all be it Bottas's one. That's still some going. Clearly a future Champion i have no doubt, maybe even as early as this year. My only issue with the Redbull isn't its speed, its gonna be its reliability over the course of a season it is, we have seen how bullet proof the Mercs are, could this be its downfall ?
Also in 2019, with Ferrari employing full 'cheat mode' he actually beat both Ferrari drivers in the WDC... That's quite a feat. On merit that was RB beating Ferrari imo, albeit on paper RB were hampered by Gasly then Albon simply not picking up enough points to support Max's efforts.

Reliability will be key for both RB and Merc this season. The cars (despite the fanciful figures some people are repeating) look very close to me - certainly far closer than the difference reliability can make in a season.
Albon picked up more points than Max in the races they had together, up until either the last or second last one. I forget, but it was only when Max won a race that he was outscoring Albon in a Red Bull that year. The next year, 2020, completely different story of course smile

I think that, because of his torrid 2020, a lot seem to forget that when Albon joined the team in 2019 he was actually looking pretty handy that year.


Edited by kiseca on Wednesday 28th April 16:36

TheDeuce

9,108 posts

31 months

Wednesday 28th April
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kiseca said:
TheDeuce said:
95 fiesta si said:
the lads bloody brilliant and only missed out to 2nd place in the drivers championship last year by 9 points to a dominant Mercedes...all be it Bottas's one. That's still some going. Clearly a future Champion i have no doubt, maybe even as early as this year. My only issue with the Redbull isn't its speed, its gonna be its reliability over the course of a season it is, we have seen how bullet proof the Mercs are, could this be its downfall ?
Also in 2019, with Ferrari employing full 'cheat mode' he actually beat both Ferrari drivers in the WDC... That's quite a feat. On merit that was RB beating Ferrari imo, albeit on paper RB were hampered by Gasly then Albon simply not picking up enough points to support Max's efforts.

Reliability will be key for both RB and Merc this season. The cars (despite the fanciful figures some people are repeating) look very close to me - certainly far closer than the difference reliability can make in a season.
Albon picked up more points than Max in the races they had together, up until either the last or second last one. I forget, but it was only when Max won a race that he was outscoring Albon in a Red Bull that year. The next year, 2020, completely different story of course smile

I think that, because of his torrid 2020, a lot seem to forget that when Albon joined the team in 2019 he was actually looking pretty handy that year.


Edited by kiseca on Wednesday 28th April 16:36
He was looking promising and it was shocking how quickly that turned around in 2020. I would however caveat his stronger performance in 2019 with the fact that max had a few various issues in the same period. Max overall in 2019 was very impressive and effectively beat Ferrari in a (probably) lesser car.

Although I'd have to give equal credit to Ferrari for being Ferrari and throwing away so much opportunity most weekends smile

kiseca

8,910 posts

184 months

Wednesday 28th April
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TheDeuce said:
kiseca said:
TheDeuce said:
95 fiesta si said:
the lads bloody brilliant and only missed out to 2nd place in the drivers championship last year by 9 points to a dominant Mercedes...all be it Bottas's one. That's still some going. Clearly a future Champion i have no doubt, maybe even as early as this year. My only issue with the Redbull isn't its speed, its gonna be its reliability over the course of a season it is, we have seen how bullet proof the Mercs are, could this be its downfall ?
Also in 2019, with Ferrari employing full 'cheat mode' he actually beat both Ferrari drivers in the WDC... That's quite a feat. On merit that was RB beating Ferrari imo, albeit on paper RB were hampered by Gasly then Albon simply not picking up enough points to support Max's efforts.

Reliability will be key for both RB and Merc this season. The cars (despite the fanciful figures some people are repeating) look very close to me - certainly far closer than the difference reliability can make in a season.
Albon picked up more points than Max in the races they had together, up until either the last or second last one. I forget, but it was only when Max won a race that he was outscoring Albon in a Red Bull that year. The next year, 2020, completely different story of course smile

I think that, because of his torrid 2020, a lot seem to forget that when Albon joined the team in 2019 he was actually looking pretty handy that year.


Edited by kiseca on Wednesday 28th April 16:36
He was looking promising and it was shocking how quickly that turned around in 2020. I would however caveat his stronger performance in 2019 with the fact that max had a few various issues in the same period. Max overall in 2019 was very impressive and effectively beat Ferrari in a (probably) lesser car.

Although I'd have to give equal credit to Ferrari for being Ferrari and throwing away so much opportunity most weekends smile
Yep, Max had issues for sure in the second half of 2019 that took points away from him, and even then Albon never looked quicker - he just didn't look as far off Max as he did in 2020. But, he did have a promising start. Maybe because we were all comparing him to Gasly at the time!

Dermot O'Logical

1,079 posts

94 months

Thursday 29th April
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Alex Albon's CV would look much better if he hadn't been punted off twice by Lewis Hamilton when he (Albon) was heading for at least a podium place, or possibly a win.

Something which is very apparent in these threads is that the discussion on Sebastian Vettel, for example, or Max Verstappen, turns into a forensic examination of their errors or weaknesses, whereas the Lewis Hamilton thread is almost exclusively a rimming fest.

kiseca

8,910 posts

184 months

Thursday 29th April
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Dermot O'Logical said:
Alex Albon's CV would look much better if he hadn't been punted off twice by Lewis Hamilton when he (Albon) was heading for at least a podium place, or possibly a win.

Something which is very apparent in these threads is that the discussion on Sebastian Vettel, for example, or Max Verstappen, turns into a forensic examination of their errors or weaknesses, whereas the Lewis Hamilton thread is almost exclusively a rimming fest.
How are you managing to ignore all of Sparta's posts? I'd love to know.

TheDeuce

9,108 posts

31 months

Thursday 29th April
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Dermot O'Logical said:
Alex Albon's CV would look much better if he hadn't been punted off twice by Lewis Hamilton when he (Albon) was heading for at least a podium place, or possibly a win.

Something which is very apparent in these threads is that the discussion on Sebastian Vettel, for example, or Max Verstappen, turns into a forensic examination of their errors or weaknesses, whereas the Lewis Hamilton thread is almost exclusively a rimming fest.
The LH thread is almost exclusively Sparta talking about the best car, and how he doesn't understand F1 wink

sparta6

2,538 posts

65 months

Tuesday
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Dermot O'Logical said:
Something which is very apparent in these threads is that the discussion on Sebastian Vettel, for example, or Max Verstappen, turns into a forensic examination of their errors or weaknesses, whereas the Lewis Hamilton thread is almost exclusively a rimming fest.
You've noticed that too ?

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Gazzab

18,768 posts

247 months

Tuesday
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sparta6 said:
Dermot O'Logical said:
Something which is very apparent in these threads is that the discussion on Sebastian Vettel, for example, or Max Verstappen, turns into a forensic examination of their errors or weaknesses, whereas the Lewis Hamilton thread is almost exclusively a rimming fest.
You've noticed that too ?

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I disagree. Hamilton makes mistakes - look at his recent off track excursion that cost him his front wing. He was lucky that there was a red flag and that helped him get back up the order. He was criticised. The difference though is that Hamilton is No 1 - those that are chasing him need to minimise if not eradicate mistakes to stand a chance of beating him. So any mistake made by Verstappen is going to come under scrutiny as it’s not helping him achieve this goal whereas Hamilton has nothing to prove.

sparta6

2,538 posts

65 months

Tuesday
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95 fiesta si said:
the lads bloody brilliant and only missed out to 2nd place in the drivers championship last year by 9 points to a dominant Mercedes...all be it Bottas's one. That's still some going. Clearly a future Champion i have no doubt, maybe even as early as this year. My only issue with the Redbull isn't its speed, its gonna be its reliability over the course of a season, we have seen how bullet proof the Mercs are, could this be its downfall ?
Red Bull still needs more straight line speed.
If it gets close towards end of season Mercedes will just turn their engines up.
Engines turned down are to create the show that Liberty needs.

sparta6

2,538 posts

65 months

Tuesday
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Gazzab said:
sparta6 said:
Dermot O'Logical said:
Something which is very apparent in these threads is that the discussion on Sebastian Vettel, for example, or Max Verstappen, turns into a forensic examination of their errors or weaknesses, whereas the Lewis Hamilton thread is almost exclusively a rimming fest.
You've noticed that too ?

biggrin
I disagree. Hamilton makes mistakes - look at his recent off track excursion that cost him his front wing. He was lucky that there was a red flag and that helped him get back up the order. He was criticised. The difference though is that Hamilton is No 1 - those that are chasing him need to minimise if not eradicate mistakes to stand a chance of beating him. So any mistake made by Verstappen is going to come under scrutiny as it’s not helping him achieve this goal whereas Hamilton has nothing to prove.
Agree the pressure is on Max this season and splitting the Mercs is a start.

Mercedes still looks the fastest car even with their engines turned down

Gazzab

18,768 posts

247 months

Tuesday
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sparta6 said:
Agree the pressure is on Max this season and splitting the Mercs is a start.

Mercedes still looks the fastest car even with their engines turned down
He split them last season. If you look at last season and ignore the dnf’s then the average place for verstappen was 2.4 whereas for bottas the bottle it was 4.3.