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TheLimla

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1,599 posts

130 months

Saturday 16th June
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Sounds like it's all getting too much down in Woking. I still think they made a mistake with Ron...

https://www.planetf1.com/news/mclaren-facing-revol...

Leroy902

1,083 posts

39 months

Saturday 16th June
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It's desperation measures for SOMETHING to happen for a change.

Nothing can happen at McLaren in the near future to change their fortunes. They're a mid-table team in f1, and whilst the likes of Mercedes, ferrari, Red bulls are around, that will remain.

Sa Calobra

27,471 posts

147 months

Saturday 16th June
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It's that desperate?

There is no one else first?

But back to Whitmarsh?


Kraken

595 posts

136 months

Saturday 16th June
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Rather have Whitmarsh than Dennis. People look at Dennis with rose tinted glasses.

Sa Calobra

27,471 posts

147 months

Saturday 16th June
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There's a whole industry

Why go backwards
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thegreenhell

4,864 posts

155 months

Saturday 16th June
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Viewing from the outside, Boullier gives the impression of being somewhat clueless and out of his depth, which is a shame as he seemed to do a solid job at the Enstone team. Zak Brown just seems distracted by things other than F1, and too focused on keeping Alonso happy at any cost. He's failed to bring in the big sponsors, which is the one thing he was originally hired to do, and it looks like they've ditched Honda just as they're about to come good.

They now have a race-winning engine and the best racing driver in the world, and yet they're seemingly going backwards down the grid. If they can't show serious signs of improvement soon then heads need to roll, starting at the top. I don't think Whitmarsh is the answer, but Boullier and Brown certainly aren't either.

belleair302

6,004 posts

143 months

Saturday 16th June
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Zac Brown is out of his depth at McLaren and was over rated in the business development world. Running an F1 team requires strength of character, a passion for this very complex business and the ability to employ and exploit the skills of some very dedicated and intelligent people. Sadly the current McLaren management are unable to do this. Zac brown has too many fingers in too many pies and he is still fascinated by Alonso and Indycar. On track they cannot seem to make the chassis work with the engine and at the factory the hard working staff are just not working to their 'edge'. A mess for sure.

tight fart

1,121 posts

209 months

Saturday 16th June
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That's funny as I spoke to a guy tonight who works at McLaren.
I asked him straight why they thought their car was so slow?
We've got to much downforce he said,
so take some off, I said.
You can't just remove drag he said.
Drag and downforce are 2 different things I said.
He laughed and said they weren't.

He tells people he works in the aerodynamics dept.
(I know he does work there but not what he actually does)

ghost83

2,615 posts

126 months

Saturday 16th June
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i don't think boullier did a good job at lotus

zak brown is too busy pandering to alonso


dr_gn

12,027 posts

120 months

Saturday 16th June
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Kraken said:
Rather have Whitmarsh than Dennis. People look at Dennis with rose tinted glasses.
17 Championships with Dennis vs. 0 with Whitmarsh.

What do you want to see with your glasses?



DanielSan

13,600 posts

103 months

Sunday 17th June
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They were a direction-less st show in the last couple of seasons with Merc engines, that was disguised to a point by a Honda engine that was behind the rest but seemingly not as much as initially thought with hindsight and they’re still a st show now they have nowhere to hide and a Renault engine in the back of the car... The Australia update didn’t arrive until Barcelona and they consistently 1.5 seconds or more behind the Red Bulls. And after the last couple of races they’re even 3-4 tenths behind the works Renault team.

It seems the direction hasn’t changed and not has the show and that isn’t likely to change any time soon.

Fire99

9,408 posts

165 months

Sunday 17th June
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dr_gn said:
Kraken said:
Rather have Whitmarsh than Dennis. People look at Dennis with rose tinted glasses.
17 Championships with Dennis vs. 0 with Whitmarsh.

What do you want to see with your glasses?
I agree. I have no doubt that Dennis has his flaws and I'd wager has upset a good few people in his time, but you can't change the facts. He was hugely passionate about Mclaren and headed up a massively successful era for the team.

My question would be whether team bosses are like drivers, as in during their 'peak' they get great results but when they leave and come back again, often the magic has gone. Age can play a factor too. He's not as young and fighty as he once was.

ralphrj

2,728 posts

127 months

Sunday 17th June
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dr_gn said:
Kraken said:
Rather have Whitmarsh than Dennis. People look at Dennis with rose tinted glasses.
17 Championships with Dennis vs. 0 with Whitmarsh.

What do you want to see with your glasses?
Without wanting to diminish Dennis's achievements it is worth remembering that 13 of those championships occurred more than 25 years ago when F1 was a very different business to the one it is today.

He was given another opportunity to turn McLaren around in 2014 but failed.

He isn't the right man to lead McLaren now but that doesn't remove his legendary status in the sport of F1.

CoolHands

8,877 posts

131 months

Sunday 17th June
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Whitmarsh just vying for power same as they all do. All talking behind the scenes trying to influence things etc.

Until it totally implodes it won’t go right.

TheLimla

Original Poster:

1,599 posts

130 months

Sunday 17th June
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They need to get the chequebook out and revamp the team. Fred's salary is probably doing more harm than good now as that money needs to be spent on the right design team.

Sam993

1,302 posts

8 months

Sunday 17th June
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I'd don't know, I think that with current regs the situation is clear, factory teams win, others follow the suit. Which is ironic because by introducing new regulations they were trying to make the sport more competitive, weren't they.

hammo19

1,853 posts

132 months

Sunday 17th June
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ghost83 said:
i don't think boullier did a good job at lotus

zak brown is too busy pandering to alonso
Too busy at Le Mans with his race team.....

ELUSIVEJIM

4,596 posts

87 months

Sunday 17th June
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hammo19 said:
Too busy at Le Mans with his race team.....
And winning. biggrin



ELUSIVEJIM

4,596 posts

87 months

Sunday 17th June
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TheLimla said:
They need to get the chequebook out and revamp the team. Fred's salary is probably doing more harm than good now as that money needs to be spent on the right design team.
Without Alonso they would be in a worse position.

DanielSan

13,600 posts

103 months

Sunday 17th June
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
And winning. biggrin
Zak Brown’s team didn’t win anything, other than the ‘Paul Di Resta trashed your car’ prize anyway.