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TheDeuce said:
rdjohn said:
thegreenhell said:
Claire Williams tried to win this, but was quickly outbid when she reached her cash limit at £3.50.
ajprice said:
Zak Brown bought a tour of the Red Bull Racing factory at a charity auction night 
https://wtf1.com/post/zak-brown-has-bought-a-tour-...
https://wtf1.com/post/zak-brown-has-bought-a-tour-...
Unilever/Rexona ended their sponsorship with Williams a few weeks ago. They've signed up with McLaren now as a 'technical partnership', including CFD tech as part of the sponsorship. https://formulaspy.com/f1/williams-lose-rexona-uni...
yoshisdad said:
Just like the 90's, when McLaren took lots of things from Williams...………...including a designer if memory serves correct!
Yep... Newey, after all his great work delivering championship winning cars, wanted a share of the company. Frank and Patrick said no. Newey was enticed away by Mclaren. Frank, years later, acknowledged it was a massive mistake. among many others now.HighwayStar said:
Yep... Newey, after all his great work delivering championship winning cars, wanted a share of the company. Frank and Patrick said no. Newey was enticed away by Mclaren. Frank, years later, acknowledged it was a massive mistake. among many others now.
Without Patrick there has never been a winning Williams. Frank needs to acknowledge his need for a world-class technical manager.Stan the Bat said:
Frank is his own worst enemy.
The best legacy for his kids would have been to sell out. It is a PLC in name only, in reality it is becoming a larger millstone. Certainly he has good people to massage the financial numbers, but he is still in the Tyrrell, March, Lotus and more lately Jordan business model.The rest of the world has just moved on. When you see how Hass and Renault struggle, you simply cannot imaging the business ever being turned around, like McLaren now seem to have achieved.
rdjohn said:
The best legacy for his kids would have been to sell out. It is a PLC in name only, in reality it is becoming a larger millstone. Certainly he has good people to massage the financial numbers, but he is still in the Tyrrell, March, Lotus and more lately Jordan business model.
The rest of the world has just moved on. When you see how Hass and Renault struggle, you simply cannot imaging the business ever being turned around, like McLaren now seem to have achieved.
Well put. The model no longer works. Frank and Claire won't tolerate any other model, and there is no chance of getting money to effect major changes and return the team to glory unless the team is sold - at least a controlling stake of it.The rest of the world has just moved on. When you see how Hass and Renault struggle, you simply cannot imaging the business ever being turned around, like McLaren now seem to have achieved.
I would agree that in many ways looking towards McLaren's resurgence could point the way for Williams... But the difference is that Williams have sod all money to repeat the same trick. It's beyond depressing watching the current spectacle and I genuinely would love to wake up one day and hear the news that they have sold, I'm pretty sure when it does happen it'll come out of the blue.
I certainly wouldn't feel bad for Frank and Claire who can spend the rest of their days very wealthy and continue in the sport in some form of honorary role at the 'new' Williams. Frank's former achievements are monumental, but those days are indeed over, and dragging out the current situation is starting to feel sad, and pointless.
Edited by TheDeuce on Sunday 26th January 15:29
jsf said:
TheDeuce said:
The two are linked in a few ways.. The history of either team is influenced by the other. Willing to bet the two teams share a lot of fans too.
What a crap link.Stick to slagging off Williams in the correct thread.
TheDeuce said:
You're aware I was responding to other posters comments about Williams? And also not slagging them off.. Being honest and realistic about a situation is very different from, in your chosen turn of phrase, 'slagging them off'. A phrase I hate. It's the sort of phrase used by someone that dislikes another persons opinion yet declines to offer a counter for it.
Its a phrase that perfectly matches your posting history with regards to jumping on every negative story regarding that team.Lets keep this thread about McLaren.
TheDeuce said:
You're aware I was responding to other posters comments about Williams? And also not slagging them off.. Being honest and realistic about a situation is very different from, in your chosen turn of phrase, 'slagging them off'. A phrase I hate. It's the sort of phrase used by someone that dislikes another persons opinion yet declines to offer a counter for it.
Yeah, but what you said about them being 'linked' was just the usual nonsense.They're linked in that they competed against one another in the same sport.
Giving you benefit of the doubt, you possibly meant they have similarities in how they were run by powerful individuals, they came to the fore at similar times and together dominated a decent stretch in the 80s and 90s, and now they have waned in their ability to compete at the top.
That's not, however, because they are linked.
jsf said:
TheDeuce said:
You're aware I was responding to other posters comments about Williams? And also not slagging them off.. Being honest and realistic about a situation is very different from, in your chosen turn of phrase, 'slagging them off'. A phrase I hate. It's the sort of phrase used by someone that dislikes another persons opinion yet declines to offer a counter for it.
Its a phrase that perfectly matches your posting history with regards to jumping on every negative story regarding that team.Lets keep this thread about McLaren.
I you can find an example of me 'slagging off' Williams I would be amazed. That's not my nature at all. The Williams situation is important, it is interesting and sad in equal measure. It's a big story in F1 right now and that is literally the purpose of these forums.
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