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TheDeuce

4,730 posts

18 months

Friday 20th December 2019
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Dear Zak,

We have scheduled you visit for Tuesday the 18th. Or as we call it in the factory 'Naked Tuesday'.

Please dress appropriately.

Love Christian xx

kiseca

7,925 posts

171 months

Friday 20th December 2019
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Recently seen: Adrian Newey bidding for a Winner plus partner tour of the Williams factory while carrying a stack of Red Bull stickers under one arm.

thegreenhell

6,632 posts

171 months

Friday 20th December 2019
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ajprice said:
Zak Brown bought a tour of the Red Bull Racing factory at a charity auction night hehe

https://wtf1.com/post/zak-brown-has-bought-a-tour-...
Claire Williams tried to win this, but was quickly outbid when she reached her cash limit at £3.50.

rdjohn

4,091 posts

147 months

Friday 20th December 2019
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thegreenhell said:
Claire Williams tried to win this, but was quickly outbid when she reached her cash limit at £3.50.
roflroflroflrofl

TheDeuce

4,730 posts

18 months

Friday 20th December 2019
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rdjohn said:
thegreenhell said:
Claire Williams tried to win this, but was quickly outbid when she reached her cash limit at £3.50.
roflroflroflrofl
What would she do if they did hand over all their secrets!? "Oh, this one will definitely work! Oh... wait... cost to implement is £20m, bugger."

kiseca

7,925 posts

171 months

Friday 20th December 2019
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TheDeuce said:
rdjohn said:
thegreenhell said:
Claire Williams tried to win this, but was quickly outbid when she reached her cash limit at £3.50.
roflroflroflrofl
What would she do if they did hand over all their secrets!? "Oh, this one will definitely work! Oh... wait... cost to implement is £20m, bugger."
Or they start the new season to find that they've learnt well, and they have achieved 98% of last year's Red Bull's pace with Gasly at the wheel.

rev-erend

20,246 posts

236 months

Monday 23rd December 2019
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2020 car passed the crash test last week.

Happy days.

ajprice

17,147 posts

148 months

Monday 23rd December 2019
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ajprice said:
Zak Brown bought a tour of the Red Bull Racing factory at a charity auction night hehe

https://wtf1.com/post/zak-brown-has-bought-a-tour-...
hehe

ajprice

17,147 posts

148 months

Saturday 25th January
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Unilever/Rexona ended their sponsorship with Williams a few weeks ago. They've signed up with McLaren now as a 'technical partnership', including CFD tech as part of the sponsorship. https://formulaspy.com/f1/williams-lose-rexona-uni...

yoshisdad

340 posts

123 months

Saturday 25th January
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Just like the 90's, when McLaren took lots of things from Williams...………...including a designer if memory serves correct!

HighwayStar

2,693 posts

96 months

Saturday 25th January
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yoshisdad said:
Just like the 90's, when McLaren took lots of things from Williams...………...including a designer if memory serves correct!
Yep... Newey, after all his great work delivering championship winning cars, wanted a share of the company. Frank and Patrick said no. Newey was enticed away by Mclaren. Frank, years later, acknowledged it was a massive mistake. among many others now.

Stan the Bat

5,317 posts

164 months

Saturday 25th January
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Frank is his own worst enemy.

skwdenyer

8,139 posts

192 months

Saturday 25th January
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HighwayStar said:
Yep... Newey, after all his great work delivering championship winning cars, wanted a share of the company. Frank and Patrick said no. Newey was enticed away by Mclaren. Frank, years later, acknowledged it was a massive mistake. among many others now.
Without Patrick there has never been a winning Williams. Frank needs to acknowledge his need for a world-class technical manager.

rdjohn

4,091 posts

147 months

Sunday 26th January
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Stan the Bat said:
Frank is his own worst enemy.
The best legacy for his kids would have been to sell out. It is a PLC in name only, in reality it is becoming a larger millstone. Certainly he has good people to massage the financial numbers, but he is still in the Tyrrell, March, Lotus and more lately Jordan business model.

The rest of the world has just moved on. When you see how Hass and Renault struggle, you simply cannot imaging the business ever being turned around, like McLaren now seem to have achieved.

TheDeuce

4,730 posts

18 months

Sunday 26th January
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rdjohn said:
The best legacy for his kids would have been to sell out. It is a PLC in name only, in reality it is becoming a larger millstone. Certainly he has good people to massage the financial numbers, but he is still in the Tyrrell, March, Lotus and more lately Jordan business model.

The rest of the world has just moved on. When you see how Hass and Renault struggle, you simply cannot imaging the business ever being turned around, like McLaren now seem to have achieved.
Well put. The model no longer works. Frank and Claire won't tolerate any other model, and there is no chance of getting money to effect major changes and return the team to glory unless the team is sold - at least a controlling stake of it.

I would agree that in many ways looking towards McLaren's resurgence could point the way for Williams... But the difference is that Williams have sod all money to repeat the same trick. It's beyond depressing watching the current spectacle and I genuinely would love to wake up one day and hear the news that they have sold, I'm pretty sure when it does happen it'll come out of the blue.

I certainly wouldn't feel bad for Frank and Claire who can spend the rest of their days very wealthy and continue in the sport in some form of honorary role at the 'new' Williams. Frank's former achievements are monumental, but those days are indeed over, and dragging out the current situation is starting to feel sad, and pointless.

Edited by TheDeuce on Sunday 26th January 15:29

n3il123

1,660 posts

165 months

Sunday 26th January
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..... aaaand a McLaren thread turns into another Williams thread.

TheDeuce

4,730 posts

18 months

Sunday 26th January
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n3il123 said:
..... aaaand a McLaren thread turns into another Williams thread.
The two are linked in a few ways.. The history of either team is influenced by the other. Willing to bet the two teams share a lot of fans too.

jsf

15,669 posts

188 months

Sunday 26th January
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TheDeuce said:
The two are linked in a few ways.. The history of either team is influenced by the other. Willing to bet the two teams share a lot of fans too.
What a crap link.

Stick to slagging off Williams in the correct thread.

HustleRussell

17,443 posts

112 months

Sunday 26th January
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jsf said:
Stick to slagging off Williams in the correct thread.
yes

Any maybe reduce it in general to be honest, no F1 fan needs to be told about the challenges facing Williams.

TheDeuce

4,730 posts

18 months

Sunday 26th January
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jsf said:
TheDeuce said:
The two are linked in a few ways.. The history of either team is influenced by the other. Willing to bet the two teams share a lot of fans too.
What a crap link.

Stick to slagging off Williams in the correct thread.
You're aware I was responding to other posters comments about Williams? And also not slagging them off.. Being honest and realistic about a situation is very different from, in your chosen turn of phrase, 'slagging them off'. A phrase I hate. It's the sort of phrase used by someone that dislikes another persons opinion yet declines to offer a counter for it.