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HustleRussell said:
Exige77 said:
The Ron Dennis era was a winning era.
The bromance years not so.
You mean the team achieved more between 1981 and 2016 than it did in 2019 and 2020? You don't say... The bromance years not so.
Let’s hope things get better for the Woking boys.
Exige77 said:
HustleRussell said:
Exige77 said:
The Ron Dennis era was a winning era.
The bromance years not so.
You mean the team achieved more between 1981 and 2016 than it did in 2019 and 2020? You don't say... The bromance years not so.
Let’s hope things get better for the Woking boys.
I would love to live in the parallel universe where Mclaren Honda had worked out, but look what we got instead.
I, too, was concerned that Mclaren had lost its identity when Ron went and the commercial man Zak Brown came in, but now I see that the team had quite a different and distinct identity before Ron became involved and it can have a fresh now he is gone. Also they started painting the cars Papaya again.
Exige77 said:
The Ron Dennis era was a winning era.
The bromance years not so.
Ron brought a professionalism to the sport which has been widely copied by other teams. The Mercedes years are like a softer version of Ron’s vision.
No one is perfect but Ron contributed greatly to the modern F1.
The Ferrari passion is lovely but with the exception of the Schumacher years (mainly outsiders running the show) they haven’t been overly successful. The glory years are well and truly behind them.
I wasn't criticising Ron. I was just surprised that anyone could compare the eras and say that McLaren have lost their soul; there's no doubt that Ron was professional and contributed greatly to the team's success, but they weren't really a team that you could warm to. Or at least I certainly couldn't. They have much more character as a team now than they ever did under Ron's leadership.The bromance years not so.
Ron brought a professionalism to the sport which has been widely copied by other teams. The Mercedes years are like a softer version of Ron’s vision.
No one is perfect but Ron contributed greatly to the modern F1.
The Ferrari passion is lovely but with the exception of the Schumacher years (mainly outsiders running the show) they haven’t been overly successful. The glory years are well and truly behind them.
spikyone said:
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
I'm going to sound awful, but I find it hard to get excited about McLaren these days. They were 'my' team when I got into F1, then the golden period I remember from my 20s with Hakkinen battling Schumacher. The team felt from the outside like the personifications of Ron.
Now, to me at least, it feels like it has no soul or identity or connection to the thing I remember.
I don't wish them to do badly, but I wouldn't view their future success as being connected with their past any more than I would Aston Martin winning next year and connecting it with Jordon.
Crikey. Ron Dennis era having soul? He was the guy who insisted all the offices at Woking were painted grey! That era, to me - throughout the Dennis years, which I grew up with - the team were cold and clinical. Even when Senna drove for McLaren I could never root for them.Now, to me at least, it feels like it has no soul or identity or connection to the thing I remember.
I don't wish them to do badly, but I wouldn't view their future success as being connected with their past any more than I would Aston Martin winning next year and connecting it with Jordon.
The current team is very different from that I'll grant you - it seems a far warmer place, and the "bromance" between Norris and Sainz (and Norris and anyone else in F1 for that matter) has made it a much more likeable, relatable team. I can't imagine them employing guys like Norris and Danny Ric in Dennis's years, he would've had a heart attack with that sort of public image...
HustleRussell said:
If I have a team its Mclaren, but I didn't start following the sport closely until the start of the V8 era, so my recollections aren't of Mclaren's heyday but of many years of 'nearly but not quite' and then a real downward trend through the Whitmarsh years.
I would love to live in the parallel universe where Mclaren Honda had worked out, but look what we got instead.
I, too, was concerned that Mclaren had lost its identity when Ron went and the commercial man Zak Brown came in, but now I see that the team had quite a different and distinct identity before Ron became involved and it can have a fresh now he is gone. Also they started painting the cars Papaya again.
Me too! But in my case it was the Traco-Oldsmobile V8! And the cars were red back then......I would love to live in the parallel universe where Mclaren Honda had worked out, but look what we got instead.
I, too, was concerned that Mclaren had lost its identity when Ron went and the commercial man Zak Brown came in, but now I see that the team had quite a different and distinct identity before Ron became involved and it can have a fresh now he is gone. Also they started painting the cars Papaya again.
Riccardo wants to do Bathurst 1000 with McLaren, Zak Brown is up for it if schedules allow it. https://www.planetf1.com/news/daniel-ricciardo-bat...
There's no Mercedes in the Aussie Supercars series for 2021, just Ford and Holden, and new rules for 2022 where at the moment it's Ford and Chevrolet (replacing Holden) as far as I know. So I'm not sure what cars they would use if they did, the McLaren Arrow Indycar team is Chevrolet so maybe that's a way to go if any of this happens.
There's no Mercedes in the Aussie Supercars series for 2021, just Ford and Holden, and new rules for 2022 where at the moment it's Ford and Chevrolet (replacing Holden) as far as I know. So I'm not sure what cars they would use if they did, the McLaren Arrow Indycar team is Chevrolet so maybe that's a way to go if any of this happens.
jsf said:
CanAm said:
Me too! But in my case it was the Traco-Oldsmobile V8! And the cars were red back then......
Traco Olds period was very short at just over a year, it lasted just a few months in red with the M1B when they dumped it for a Chevy.rdjohn said:
Its a magnificent building in a beautiful location, but stripped of its contents, it is just bricks and mortar and not readily transferrable to other industies.
It will be a sale and lease back deal so McLaren will remain insitu paying rent for many years. But yes once that expires there may well be limited takers.
The game continues - https://twitter.com/McLarenF1/status/1394933091286...
FourWheelDrift said:
The game continues - https://twitter.com/McLarenF1/status/1394933091286...
They really need to sort out the cable management on that table.thegreenhell said:
FourWheelDrift said:
The game continues - https://twitter.com/McLarenF1/status/1394933091286...
They really need to sort out the cable management on that table.
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