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skinny

4,470 posts

171 months

Sunday 17th June
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Not being funny but what does (or can) boullier actually do?

Kraken

590 posts

136 months

Monday 18th June
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skinny said:
Not being funny but what does (or can) boullier actually do?
He's won with every motorsport team he has been involved in restructuring apart from McLaren.

DanielSan

13,596 posts

103 months

Monday 18th June
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Has anyone noticed the correlation between Mclaren building road cars and doing terrible in F1?

Built the F1 - as focus moved to the road car the team hit a massive slump

SLR - less involvement than the F1 but also coincided from being drivers and constructors champions to at least bagging wins but being s bit unreliable and inconsistent

MP4-12 onwards - last few years speak for themselves.

slipstream 1985

6,043 posts

115 months

Monday 18th June
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
TheLimla said:
They need to get the chequebook out and revamp the team. Fred's salary is probably doing more harm than good now as that money needs to be spent on the right design team.
Without Alonso they would be in a worse position.
Without Alonso they would be Williams

sgtBerbatov

804 posts

17 months

Tuesday 19th June
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It must be bad at McLaren if the staff are demanding Whitmarsh to come back.
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fomb

1,307 posts

147 months

Tuesday 19th June
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belleair302 said:
Zac Brown is out of his depth at McLaren and was over rated in the business development world. Running an F1 team requires strength of character, a passion for this very complex business and the ability to employ and exploit the skills of some very dedicated and intelligent people. Sadly the current McLaren management are unable to do this. Zac brown has too many fingers in too many pies and he is still fascinated by Alonso and Indycar. On track they cannot seem to make the chassis work with the engine and at the factory the hard working staff are just not working to their 'edge'. A mess for sure.
To be honest, I think Zak Brown is more involved in McLaren at an overall level, and not just the F1 business. Whilst he might be involved in signing the big deals and facetiming sponsors at the events, I think the performance of the team is more Boulliers bag.

The question is, is the performance of the team down to the tools that Eric has been given by Zak, or what Eric has done with them?

Order66

5,904 posts

185 months

Tuesday 19th June
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fomb said:
The question is, is the performance of the team down to the tools that Eric has been given by Zak, or what Eric has done with them?
They have arguably one of the top 2 drivers on the grid and apparently a large budget - what more does Boullier want

StevieBee

6,974 posts

191 months

Tuesday 19th June
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Kraken said:
People look at Dennis with rose tinted glasses.
What, those glasses that allow you to see the many race wins, world drivers and constructor's championships delivered with RD at the helm?

dr_gn

12,020 posts

120 months

Tuesday 19th June
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Order66 said:
fomb said:
The question is, is the performance of the team down to the tools that Eric has been given by Zak, or what Eric has done with them?
They have arguably one of the top 2 drivers on the grid and apparently a large budget - what more does Boullier want
Adrian Newey.

Sam993

1,302 posts

8 months

Tuesday 19th June
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dr_gn said:
Order66 said:
fomb said:
The question is, is the performance of the team down to the tools that Eric has been given by Zak, or what Eric has done with them?
They have arguably one of the top 2 drivers on the grid and apparently a large budget - what more does Boullier want
Adrian Newey.
Who's allegedly in talks with Renault (his contract is running out at the end of this season).

Thunderhead

236 posts

47 months

Tuesday 19th June
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Sounds like people look at alonso with rose tints, he's not the best driver out there and has been seen as an unhelpful influence in both mclaren in his first stint (where he was outclassed by his rookie team mate) and later in ferrari. His 24 hour win was hardly a contest, and its at the detriment to his F1 participation.

I think someone able to motivate and inspire the team is what's needed, and alonso is not that, I think he thrives on having an excuse not to win.

Edited by Thunderhead on Tuesday 19th June 17:19

DanielSan

13,596 posts

103 months

Tuesday 19th June
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Order66 said:
They have arguably one of the top 2 drivers on the grid and apparently a large budget - what more does Boullier want
If Boullier was able to make more decisions without running it by a commitee Mclaren would be far better off.

Joe Saward was talking about this on the Missed Apex podcast that came out last night, Mclaren work on a management structure that basically refuses to point blame at any one person, and as a result doesn’t allow one person to make decisions they’re well capable of making

Sam993

1,302 posts

8 months

Tuesday 19th June
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DanielSan said:
Order66 said:
They have arguably one of the top 2 drivers on the grid and apparently a large budget - what more does Boullier want
If Boullier was able to make more decisions without running it by a commitee Mclaren would be far better off.

Joe Saward was talking about this on the Missed Apex podcast that came out last night, Mclaren work on a management structure that basically refuses to point blame at any one person, and as a result doesn’t allow one person to make decisions they’re well capable of making
So they are run like a marxist collective basically?

Order66

5,904 posts

185 months

Tuesday 19th June
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DanielSan said:
Mclaren work on a management structure that basically refuses to point blame at any one person, and as a result doesn’t allow one person to make decisions they’re well capable of making
So the anti-Ron method then

The Vambo

2,955 posts

77 months

Tuesday 19th June
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Thunderhead said:
Sounds like people look at alonso with rose tints, he's not the best driver out there and has been seen as an unhelpful influence in both mclaren in his first stint (where he was outclassed by his rookie team mate) and later in ferrari. His 24 hour win was hardly a contest, and its at the detriment to his F1 participation.

I think someone able to motivate and inspire the team is what's needed, and alonso is not that, I think he thrives on having an excuse not to win.

Edited by Thunderhead on Tuesday 19th June 17:19
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Jensen Button would be a bigger help to McLaren than Alonso.

Mr_Thyroid

1,637 posts

163 months

Tuesday 19th June
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Thunderhead said:
Sounds like people look at alonso with rose tints, he's not the best driver out there and has been seen as an unhelpful influence in both mclaren in his first stint (where he was outclassed by his rookie team mate) and later in ferrari. His 24 hour win was hardly a contest, and its at the detriment to his F1 participation.

I think someone able to motivate and inspire the team is what's needed, and alonso is not that, I think he thrives on having an excuse not to win.

Edited by Thunderhead on Tuesday 19th June 17:19
The best way for a driver to motivate and inspire the team is by giving their all every time they're in the car - I don't think there's much argument that he does that.

amgmcqueen

1,298 posts

86 months

Tuesday 19th June
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StevieBee said:
Kraken said:
People look at Dennis with rose tinted glasses.
What, those glasses that allow you to see the many race wins, world drivers and constructor's championships delivered with RD at the helm?
Such a long time ago though!

cuprabob

7,015 posts

150 months

Tuesday 19th June
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Sam993 said:
dr_gn said:
Order66 said:
fomb said:
The question is, is the performance of the team down to the tools that Eric has been given by Zak, or what Eric has done with them?
They have arguably one of the top 2 drivers on the grid and apparently a large budget - what more does Boullier want
Adrian Newey.
Who's allegedly in talks with Renault (his contract is running out at the end of this season).
I'm pretty sure he has shares in the Red Bull team so I doubt very much he'll jump ship especially as Red Bull allow him to work on his other stuff.

dr_gn

12,020 posts

120 months

Wednesday 20th June
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cuprabob said:
Sam993 said:
dr_gn said:
Order66 said:
fomb said:
The question is, is the performance of the team down to the tools that Eric has been given by Zak, or what Eric has done with them?
They have arguably one of the top 2 drivers on the grid and apparently a large budget - what more does Boullier want
Adrian Newey.
Who's allegedly in talks with Renault (his contract is running out at the end of this season).
I'm pretty sure he has shares in the Red Bull team so I doubt very much he'll jump ship especially as Red Bull allow him to work on his other stuff.
None of that would stop Boullier wanting him.

Kraken

590 posts

136 months

Wednesday 20th June
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StevieBee said:
What, those glasses that allow you to see the many race wins, world drivers and constructor's championships delivered with RD at the helm?
Ancient history and a totally different world.