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Has anyone noticed the correlation between Mclaren building road cars and doing terrible in F1?
Built the F1 - as focus moved to the road car the team hit a massive slump
SLR - less involvement than the F1 but also coincided from being drivers and constructors champions to at least bagging wins but being s bit unreliable and inconsistent
MP4-12 onwards - last few years speak for themselves.
Built the F1 - as focus moved to the road car the team hit a massive slump
SLR - less involvement than the F1 but also coincided from being drivers and constructors champions to at least bagging wins but being s bit unreliable and inconsistent
MP4-12 onwards - last few years speak for themselves.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
TheLimla said:
They need to get the chequebook out and revamp the team. Fred's salary is probably doing more harm than good now as that money needs to be spent on the right design team.
Without Alonso they would be in a worse position.belleair302 said:
Zac Brown is out of his depth at McLaren and was over rated in the business development world. Running an F1 team requires strength of character, a passion for this very complex business and the ability to employ and exploit the skills of some very dedicated and intelligent people. Sadly the current McLaren management are unable to do this. Zac brown has too many fingers in too many pies and he is still fascinated by Alonso and Indycar. On track they cannot seem to make the chassis work with the engine and at the factory the hard working staff are just not working to their 'edge'. A mess for sure.
To be honest, I think Zak Brown is more involved in McLaren at an overall level, and not just the F1 business. Whilst he might be involved in signing the big deals and facetiming sponsors at the events, I think the performance of the team is more Boulliers bag.The question is, is the performance of the team down to the tools that Eric has been given by Zak, or what Eric has done with them?
Order66 said:
fomb said:
The question is, is the performance of the team down to the tools that Eric has been given by Zak, or what Eric has done with them?
They have arguably one of the top 2 drivers on the grid and apparently a large budget - what more does Boullier wantdr_gn said:
Order66 said:
fomb said:
The question is, is the performance of the team down to the tools that Eric has been given by Zak, or what Eric has done with them?
They have arguably one of the top 2 drivers on the grid and apparently a large budget - what more does Boullier wantSounds like people look at alonso with rose tints, he's not the best driver out there and has been seen as an unhelpful influence in both mclaren in his first stint (where he was outclassed by his rookie team mate) and later in ferrari. His 24 hour win was hardly a contest, and its at the detriment to his F1 participation.
I think someone able to motivate and inspire the team is what's needed, and alonso is not that, I think he thrives on having an excuse not to win.
I think someone able to motivate and inspire the team is what's needed, and alonso is not that, I think he thrives on having an excuse not to win.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 19th June 17:19
Order66 said:
They have arguably one of the top 2 drivers on the grid and apparently a large budget - what more does Boullier want
If Boullier was able to make more decisions without running it by a commitee Mclaren would be far better off. Joe Saward was talking about this on the Missed Apex podcast that came out last night, Mclaren work on a management structure that basically refuses to point blame at any one person, and as a result doesn’t allow one person to make decisions they’re well capable of making
DanielSan said:
Order66 said:
They have arguably one of the top 2 drivers on the grid and apparently a large budget - what more does Boullier want
If Boullier was able to make more decisions without running it by a commitee Mclaren would be far better off. Joe Saward was talking about this on the Missed Apex podcast that came out last night, Mclaren work on a management structure that basically refuses to point blame at any one person, and as a result doesn’t allow one person to make decisions they’re well capable of making
Thunderhead said:
Sounds like people look at alonso with rose tints, he's not the best driver out there and has been seen as an unhelpful influence in both mclaren in his first stint (where he was outclassed by his rookie team mate) and later in ferrari. His 24 hour win was hardly a contest, and its at the detriment to his F1 participation.
I think someone able to motivate and inspire the team is what's needed, and alonso is not that, I think he thrives on having an excuse not to win.
I think someone able to motivate and inspire the team is what's needed, and alonso is not that, I think he thrives on having an excuse not to win.
Edited by Thunderhead on Tuesday 19th June 17:19
Jensen Button would be a bigger help to McLaren than Alonso.
Thunderhead said:
Sounds like people look at alonso with rose tints, he's not the best driver out there and has been seen as an unhelpful influence in both mclaren in his first stint (where he was outclassed by his rookie team mate) and later in ferrari. His 24 hour win was hardly a contest, and its at the detriment to his F1 participation.
I think someone able to motivate and inspire the team is what's needed, and alonso is not that, I think he thrives on having an excuse not to win.
The best way for a driver to motivate and inspire the team is by giving their all every time they're in the car - I don't think there's much argument that he does that.I think someone able to motivate and inspire the team is what's needed, and alonso is not that, I think he thrives on having an excuse not to win.
Edited by Thunderhead on Tuesday 19th June 17:19
Sam993 said:
dr_gn said:
Order66 said:
fomb said:
The question is, is the performance of the team down to the tools that Eric has been given by Zak, or what Eric has done with them?
They have arguably one of the top 2 drivers on the grid and apparently a large budget - what more does Boullier wantcuprabob said:
Sam993 said:
dr_gn said:
Order66 said:
fomb said:
The question is, is the performance of the team down to the tools that Eric has been given by Zak, or what Eric has done with them?
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