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Vaud

30,831 posts

93 months

Sunday 20th January
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rallycross said:
Thanks had not heard about the doc have just watched it, interesting to see and amazing how things change so quickly in F1.

Didn’t realise Matt Bishop the journalist had got a senior job with McLaren.
He left in 2017 didn't he?

ralphrj

2,777 posts

129 months

Sunday 20th January
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Vaud said:
rallycross said:
Thanks had not heard about the doc have just watched it, interesting to see and amazing how things change so quickly in F1.

Didn’t realise Matt Bishop the journalist had got a senior job with McLaren.
He left in 2017 didn't he?
Correct, he had been there since 2008.

As Editor of F1 Racing it was his interview with Ron Dennis in 2004 (I think) that first alerted me to McLaren's financial troubles (and their attempts to cover it up).

Car-Matt

1,562 posts

76 months

Monday 21st January
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HighwayStar said:
tight fart said:
What Amazon prime documentary?
This one:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/GRAND-PRIX-Driver-Season-...

A new behind-the-scenes Amazon documentary on the McLaren F1 team has revealed how genuine fears were that Fernando Alonso would quit on the eve of the 2017 season – and there being a risk of team "collapse". The series "Grand Prix Driver", which is narrated by Michael Douglas ...
All that did was highlight how poor Honda were and the extent to which the relationship between Honda and McLaren had a) either never grown or b) massively deteriorated.

The McLaren factory had hit all of its close season targets with the new car, Honda failed miserably after talking a good game ( to save loss of face )

There was no way out after the first test, no team could have worked around that engine they were given.......

Sixpackpert

3,702 posts

152 months

Friday 25th January
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Just concentrate on getting through the next few years and building a decent car ffs.

http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/25839578/mclar...

Kraken

687 posts

138 months

Friday 25th January
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Sixpackpert said:
Just concentrate on getting through the next few years and building a decent car ffs.

http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/25839578/mclar...
You do realise that's from a different part of the company to the F1 team don't you? McLaren Applied Technologies is all about the future (they make the FE battery for instance) so it makes perfect sense for them to do this. It doesn't detract from the F1 arm of the company at all.
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Sixpackpert

3,702 posts

152 months

Friday 25th January
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Yes, I do know that, sorry missed that bit in the article...

FeelingLucky

774 posts

102 months

Friday 25th January
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Kraken said:
Sixpackpert said:
Just concentrate on getting through the next few years and building a decent car ffs.

http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/25839578/mclar...
You do realise that's from a different part of the company to the F1 team don't you? McLaren Applied Technologies is all about the future (they make the FE battery for instance) so it makes perfect sense for them to do this. It doesn't detract from the F1 arm of the company at all.
A little learning.....

Demonstrated perfectly right here.

Mr_Thyroid

1,651 posts

165 months

Sunday 27th January
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Just been watching Grand Prix Driver on amazon and at the start of episode 2 there's a shot of the new, bare chassis and the front bulkhead, where the nose would attach, is blurred out - it seems like it would be a pretty mundane part of the car, so I'm just wondering what IP is being protected here?

Edited by Mr_Thyroid on Sunday 27th January 17:15

Piginapoke

650 posts

123 months

Sunday 27th January
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Front suspension, ducting, general packaging in a tight area of car

Mr_Thyroid

1,651 posts

165 months

Sunday 27th January
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Piginapoke said:
Front suspension, ducting, general packaging in a tight area of car
It was a bare chassis - just the survival shell - no suspension, ducting or anything else attached.

MartG

13,588 posts

142 months

Sunday 27th January
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Mr_Thyroid said:
Piginapoke said:
Front suspension, ducting, general packaging in a tight area of car
It was a bare chassis - just the survival shell - no suspension, ducting or anything else attached.
Suspension attachment points perhaps - an expert from a rival team can infer a lot from very minor things that most people wouldn't even notice

Fundoreen

554 posts

21 months

Tuesday 29th January
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that 4 parter on amazon is ancient history now and was no good at the time anyway. I bet they have learned a lesson now about every doing something similar again.

Mr_Thyroid

1,651 posts

165 months

Tuesday 29th January
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Fundoreen said:
that 4 parter on amazon is ancient history now and was no good at the time anyway. I bet they have learned a lesson now about every doing something similar again.
I reckon McLaren just about got away with it - the blame seemed to be placed firmly at Honda's door. It's only with the knowledge of 2018 that you start to question what McLaren were up to.

I found it watchable enough (for a rainy winter afternoon) but it was all very controlled, no real insight into the personalities or of the conflict going on.

Car-Matt

1,562 posts

76 months

Wednesday 30th January
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Mr_Thyroid said:
Fundoreen said:
that 4 parter on amazon is ancient history now and was no good at the time anyway. I bet they have learned a lesson now about every doing something similar again.
I reckon McLaren just about got away with it - the blame seemed to be placed firmly at Honda's door. It's only with the knowledge of 2018 that you start to question what McLaren were up to.

I found it watchable enough (for a rainy winter afternoon) but it was all very controlled, no real insight into the personalities or of the conflict going on.
I’d say the truncated timescale of fitting the Renault contributed to the poor 2018

REALIST123

10,616 posts

91 months

Wednesday 30th January
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Car-Matt said:
Mr_Thyroid said:
Fundoreen said:
that 4 parter on amazon is ancient history now and was no good at the time anyway. I bet they have learned a lesson now about every doing something similar again.
I reckon McLaren just about got away with it - the blame seemed to be placed firmly at Honda's door. It's only with the knowledge of 2018 that you start to question what McLaren were up to.

I found it watchable enough (for a rainy winter afternoon) but it was all very controlled, no real insight into the personalities or of the conflict going on.
I’d say the truncated timescale of fitting the Renault contributed to the poor 2018
That’s no excuse. They knew in September 17, they had 4 months. Compare that to when Honda pulled out and Brawn had to change to Mercedes engines in just a few weeks.

Even given the increased complexity of these engines they had plenty of time.

Car-Matt

1,562 posts

76 months

Wednesday 30th January
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REALIST123 said:
Car-Matt said:
Mr_Thyroid said:
Fundoreen said:
that 4 parter on amazon is ancient history now and was no good at the time anyway. I bet they have learned a lesson now about every doing something similar again.
I reckon McLaren just about got away with it - the blame seemed to be placed firmly at Honda's door. It's only with the knowledge of 2018 that you start to question what McLaren were up to.

I found it watchable enough (for a rainy winter afternoon) but it was all very controlled, no real insight into the personalities or of the conflict going on.
I’d say the truncated timescale of fitting the Renault contributed to the poor 2018
That’s no excuse. They knew in September 17, they had 4 months. Compare that to when Honda pulled out and Brawn had to change to Mercedes engines in just a few weeks.

Even given the increased complexity of these engines they had plenty of time.
We differ in opinion on that point i'm afraid.



Kraken

687 posts

138 months

Wednesday 30th January
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The car wasn't a continuation of the Honda engined car though. They changed a lot and by their own admission got it badly wrong due to arse covering by certain departments (reading between the lines). Regardless of the engine in the back or the timescales the car would still have sucked but it doesn't mean that the Honda engined car was equally as poor aerodynamically.

Vaud

30,831 posts

93 months

rev-erend

19,956 posts

222 months

Monday 11th February
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Interesting news indeed.

Will be interesting to see them adverting vape products.

Bright Halo

549 posts

173 months

Monday 11th February
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It could just circulate around in a large cloud of steam, job done.