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ralphrj

3,507 posts

190 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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Vaud said:
rallycross said:
Thanks had not heard about the doc have just watched it, interesting to see and amazing how things change so quickly in F1.

Didn’t realise Matt Bishop the journalist had got a senior job with McLaren.
He left in 2017 didn't he?
Correct, he had been there since 2008.

As Editor of F1 Racing it was his interview with Ron Dennis in 2004 (I think) that first alerted me to McLaren's financial troubles (and their attempts to cover it up).

Car-Matt

1,923 posts

137 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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HighwayStar said:
tight fart said:
What Amazon prime documentary?
This one:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/GRAND-PRIX-Driver-Season-...

A new behind-the-scenes Amazon documentary on the McLaren F1 team has revealed how genuine fears were that Fernando Alonso would quit on the eve of the 2017 season – and there being a risk of team "collapse". The series "Grand Prix Driver", which is narrated by Michael Douglas ...
All that did was highlight how poor Honda were and the extent to which the relationship between Honda and McLaren had a) either never grown or b) massively deteriorated.

The McLaren factory had hit all of its close season targets with the new car, Honda failed miserably after talking a good game ( to save loss of face )

There was no way out after the first test, no team could have worked around that engine they were given.......

Sixpackpert

4,538 posts

213 months

Friday 25th January 2019
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Just concentrate on getting through the next few years and building a decent car ffs.

http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/25839578/mclar...

Kraken

1,710 posts

199 months

Friday 25th January 2019
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Sixpackpert said:
Just concentrate on getting through the next few years and building a decent car ffs.

http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/25839578/mclar...
You do realise that's from a different part of the company to the F1 team don't you? McLaren Applied Technologies is all about the future (they make the FE battery for instance) so it makes perfect sense for them to do this. It doesn't detract from the F1 arm of the company at all.

Sixpackpert

4,538 posts

213 months

Friday 25th January 2019
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Yes, I do know that, sorry missed that bit in the article...

FeelingLucky

1,082 posts

163 months

Friday 25th January 2019
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Kraken said:
Sixpackpert said:
Just concentrate on getting through the next few years and building a decent car ffs.

http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/25839578/mclar...
You do realise that's from a different part of the company to the F1 team don't you? McLaren Applied Technologies is all about the future (they make the FE battery for instance) so it makes perfect sense for them to do this. It doesn't detract from the F1 arm of the company at all.
A little learning.....

Demonstrated perfectly right here.

Mr_Thyroid

1,995 posts

226 months

Sunday 27th January 2019
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Just been watching Grand Prix Driver on amazon and at the start of episode 2 there's a shot of the new, bare chassis and the front bulkhead, where the nose would attach, is blurred out - it seems like it would be a pretty mundane part of the car, so I'm just wondering what IP is being protected here?

Edited by Mr_Thyroid on Sunday 27th January 17:15

Piginapoke

4,736 posts

184 months

Sunday 27th January 2019
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Front suspension, ducting, general packaging in a tight area of car

Mr_Thyroid

1,995 posts

226 months

Sunday 27th January 2019
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Piginapoke said:
Front suspension, ducting, general packaging in a tight area of car
It was a bare chassis - just the survival shell - no suspension, ducting or anything else attached.

MartG

20,620 posts

203 months

Sunday 27th January 2019
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Mr_Thyroid said:
Piginapoke said:
Front suspension, ducting, general packaging in a tight area of car
It was a bare chassis - just the survival shell - no suspension, ducting or anything else attached.
Suspension attachment points perhaps - an expert from a rival team can infer a lot from very minor things that most people wouldn't even notice

Fundoreen

4,180 posts

82 months

Tuesday 29th January 2019
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that 4 parter on amazon is ancient history now and was no good at the time anyway. I bet they have learned a lesson now about every doing something similar again.

Mr_Thyroid

1,995 posts

226 months

Tuesday 29th January 2019
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Fundoreen said:
that 4 parter on amazon is ancient history now and was no good at the time anyway. I bet they have learned a lesson now about every doing something similar again.
I reckon McLaren just about got away with it - the blame seemed to be placed firmly at Honda's door. It's only with the knowledge of 2018 that you start to question what McLaren were up to.

I found it watchable enough (for a rainy winter afternoon) but it was all very controlled, no real insight into the personalities or of the conflict going on.

Car-Matt

1,923 posts

137 months

Wednesday 30th January 2019
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Mr_Thyroid said:
Fundoreen said:
that 4 parter on amazon is ancient history now and was no good at the time anyway. I bet they have learned a lesson now about every doing something similar again.
I reckon McLaren just about got away with it - the blame seemed to be placed firmly at Honda's door. It's only with the knowledge of 2018 that you start to question what McLaren were up to.

I found it watchable enough (for a rainy winter afternoon) but it was all very controlled, no real insight into the personalities or of the conflict going on.
I’d say the truncated timescale of fitting the Renault contributed to the poor 2018

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 30th January 2019
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Car-Matt said:
Mr_Thyroid said:
Fundoreen said:
that 4 parter on amazon is ancient history now and was no good at the time anyway. I bet they have learned a lesson now about every doing something similar again.
I reckon McLaren just about got away with it - the blame seemed to be placed firmly at Honda's door. It's only with the knowledge of 2018 that you start to question what McLaren were up to.

I found it watchable enough (for a rainy winter afternoon) but it was all very controlled, no real insight into the personalities or of the conflict going on.
I’d say the truncated timescale of fitting the Renault contributed to the poor 2018
That’s no excuse. They knew in September 17, they had 4 months. Compare that to when Honda pulled out and Brawn had to change to Mercedes engines in just a few weeks.

Even given the increased complexity of these engines they had plenty of time.

Car-Matt

1,923 posts

137 months

Wednesday 30th January 2019
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REALIST123 said:
Car-Matt said:
Mr_Thyroid said:
Fundoreen said:
that 4 parter on amazon is ancient history now and was no good at the time anyway. I bet they have learned a lesson now about every doing something similar again.
I reckon McLaren just about got away with it - the blame seemed to be placed firmly at Honda's door. It's only with the knowledge of 2018 that you start to question what McLaren were up to.

I found it watchable enough (for a rainy winter afternoon) but it was all very controlled, no real insight into the personalities or of the conflict going on.
I’d say the truncated timescale of fitting the Renault contributed to the poor 2018
That’s no excuse. They knew in September 17, they had 4 months. Compare that to when Honda pulled out and Brawn had to change to Mercedes engines in just a few weeks.

Even given the increased complexity of these engines they had plenty of time.
We differ in opinion on that point i'm afraid.



Kraken

1,710 posts

199 months

Wednesday 30th January 2019
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The car wasn't a continuation of the Honda engined car though. They changed a lot and by their own admission got it badly wrong due to arse covering by certain departments (reading between the lines). Regardless of the engine in the back or the timescales the car would still have sucked but it doesn't mean that the Honda engined car was equally as poor aerodynamically.

Vaud

50,288 posts

154 months

rev-erend

21,404 posts

283 months

Monday 11th February 2019
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Interesting news indeed.

Will be interesting to see them adverting vape products.

Bright Halo

2,950 posts

234 months

Monday 11th February 2019
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It could just circulate around in a large cloud of steam, job done.

cuprabob

14,416 posts

213 months

Monday 11th February 2019
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It would be good if they could get Renault to make the engine smoke like the Ferrari did hehe