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Norfolkit

2,263 posts

140 months

Monday 18th March 2019
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HustleRussell said:
That of course only gives us a clue as to the picture on that lap at that circuit versus Ferrari. And of course it is suspected that Ferrari had their engines turned down to manage temperatures.
Wasn't that hot though was it, someone on the Sky program yesterday said it was 22 degrees, if you're running hot at that air temperature I'd say you have a cooling problem.

HustleRussell

17,335 posts

110 months

Monday 18th March 2019
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FourWheelDrift said:
Vettel's best lap of the race was a 1m27.954 on lap 16, that's 1.7s slower than Verstappen and 2.4s slower than Bottas best laps on worn tyres both on lap 57.
The only thing this tells us is that Vettel didn't bother playing the 'fastest lap' game.

Deesee

3,476 posts

33 months

Monday 18th March 2019
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Marko has come out today stating that they have built a car with not enough downforce, as they have been used to building cars to compensate the lack of power.

1-2 at monza then chaps.


HustleRussell

17,335 posts

110 months

Monday 18th March 2019
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Norfolkit said:
HustleRussell said:
That of course only gives us a clue as to the picture on that lap at that circuit versus Ferrari. And of course it is suspected that Ferrari had their engines turned down to manage temperatures.
Wasn't that hot though was it, someone on the Sky program yesterday said it was 22 degrees, if you're running hot at that air temperature I'd say you have a cooling problem.
yes

thegreenhell

6,461 posts

169 months

Monday 18th March 2019
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Deesee said:
Marko has come out today stating that they have built a car with not enough downforce, as they have been used to building cars to compensate the lack of power.

1-2 at monza then chaps.
He still can't resist a cheap shot at Renault. And maybe they should sack the aerodynamicist...

Deesee

3,476 posts

33 months

Monday 18th March 2019
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thegreenhell said:
Deesee said:
Marko has come out today stating that they have built a car with not enough downforce, as they have been used to building cars to compensate the lack of power.

1-2 at monza then chaps.
He still can't resist a cheap shot at Renault. And maybe they should sack the aerodynamicist...
hehe Btw AN spent a lot of time inspecting the Hass on the grid on Sunday, I’m sure he would pick up another gig.


Fortitude

357 posts

142 months

Tuesday 19th March 2019
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'More power’ coming from Honda ‘soon’ – Marko
Andrew Maitland
 March 19, 2019

Honda is promising more power, and Red Bull is determined to improve its chassis after the new works pairing impressed at the 2019 season opener in Melbourne.

Max Verstappen, finishing behind the two Mercedes, ensured that pre-season favourite Ferrari couldn’t even be on the podium in Australia.

And Dr Helmut Marko says there is more to come.

“We hope that Mercedes’ form was specific to Melbourne,” the top team official told Auto Motor und Sport.

“We were ahead of Ferrari, but we want to be ahead of everyone,” Marko added.

For that, he admitted that Red Bull has work to do.

“The best part of the package is the Honda engine,” he said. “For our part we need to improve the chassis.

“We have too little downforce, but that’s born of the philosophy of the last five years where we had to constantly compensate for the lack of performance.”

He is talking about Red Bull’s former supplier Renault, who according to Marko always produced too little engine power.

“That’s why we didn’t have any big wings in Melbourne,” said Marko. “They don’t exist in our imagination.

“We will try to solve this as quickly as we can put it through CFD development and production.”

As for the engine, Marko said Honda is promising to close the 10-20 horse power gap to Mercedes.

“The board, which was in Melbourne, promised us that more power is coming soon,” he confirmed.

“If the power increase is significant, we will not wait until the eighth race. We would in that case take a penalty for the start of the race,” said Marko.

“It’s then up to us to develop the chassis to catch up with the people ahead of us.”

Verstappen, third in Melbourne, also has nothing but good things to say after Red Bull dropped Renault to switch to Honda.

“It’s just a completely different engine, but I don’t like comparing with what we had before,” he told Ziggo Sport. “I don’t want to upset anyone.”

https://grandpx.news/more-power-coming-from-honda-...

Fortitude

357 posts

142 months

Friday 22nd March 2019
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Toto Wolff: Red Bull-Honda will become Formula 1 title threat

F1 Luke Smith 22 Mar 2019

Impressed by Red Bull-Honda's debut showing in Australia, Mercedes F1 chief Wolff says they need to be taken seriously in the title race.

Mercedes Formula 1 chief Toto Wolff says Red Bull-Honda must be taken seriously as a title contender in 2019 following an impressive first outing for the partnership in Australia last weekend.

After becoming Red Bull’s power unit partner for the new season, Honda recorded its first F1 podium finish in over a decade as Max Verstappen finished third in Melbourne.

READ more;

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/916022/1/wolff-red-b...

Fortitude

357 posts

142 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2019
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Ben Issatt Formula 1 03 April 2019
Red Bull 'chasing issues' with the RB15, Horner admits

Red Bull boss Christian Horner admits the team are "chasing issues" with the RB15.

After a strong first weekend in Australia, Bahrain proved much more difficult as problems optimising tyre performance left them watching over their shoulder at the midfield rather than challenging for victory.

Max Verstappen would salvage fourth as a result of Ferrari's capitulation and would have claimed third without the late Safety Car, but that is only a slight comfort to Horner who knows they have work to do.

“It’s a tricky car at the moment,” he was quoted by PlanetF1. “Our operating window looks quite narrow and Max has coped with that extremely well.
“It’s been harder for Pierre. That will come, I’m sure.

“When you’re chasing issues like this and you’re moving a problem around, it usually points the finger in other areas.

“We’ve got a lot of good data from this weekend and are starting to understand areas we need to be focusing on.”

The Red Bull chief rejected any complaints about the Honda engine, suggesting it "continues to make good progress" and pointed to Ferrari as a reason to be optimistic.

“Ferrari look like they’ve selected another gear," he said. “It’s been enormously impressive, their straight-line performance.

“Trying to understand where are our strengths/weaknesses [lie compared] to Ferrari here is quite important.

“Once you get into a window, particularly with these tyres… they looked a different team to two weeks ago and vice versa with Mercedes.

“It’s just understanding what the magic password is.”

To that end, Horner admitted this week's test was "perfect timing" to conduct crucial work and Verstappen did just that topping the timesheet on Tuesday.

http://www.insideracing.com/index.php/formula-1/66...


Verstappen: Red Bull can’t be worse than Bahrain in China
2019 Chinese Grand Prix
Posted on 2nd April 2019, 17:12 | Written by Dieter Rencken and Keith Collantine

Max Verstappen believes Red Bull have made progress in understanding why they weren’t competitive in the Bahrain Grand Prix following today’s test at the venue.

Although Verstappen finished Sunday’s race in fourth position he was as much as 44 seconds behind the race leader at one point before the Safety Car was deployed. However he believes the team made useful progress with its car on Tuesday.

“It’s been a bit rainy,” said Verstappen after setting the quickest time of the day, “but in general I think we did a good amount of laps to understand what went wrong on the weekend.

“We learned a lot already from it so in that way I think it’s very positive. We don’t have that many days anyway to really understand the car and during a weekend it all goes that quick. You’re just always doing one-and-a-half hour sessions, it’s not amazing. To have a day like this was very helpful.”

Verstappen said it was clear the team “did something wrong during the weekend” and expects they will be more competitive in the Chinese Grand Prix.
“Well it cannot be worse than what we showed here,” he said. “We made some mistakes I think in terms of set-up.

“I think if you look back to Australia we were actually quite happy. I mean of course it was still 20 seconds to Valtteri but in that race I couldn’t go and push like I wanted to because basically I was held up by cars so I think we can do a lot better than what we’ve showed so far.”

https://www.racefans.net/2019/04/02/verstappen-red...

Fortitude

357 posts

142 months

Thursday 4th April 2019
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Ryan Wood & Phillip Horton | MotorsportWeek | 0 | 3 April 2019

Red Bull 'cannot be worse' than they were in Bahrain says Max Verstappen

Red Bull's Max Verstappen says the team's performance "cannot be worse" than they were in Bahrain as they look ahead to the Chinese Grand Prix.

The Dutch driver kicked off his 2019 season with a podium finish at the season-opener in Australia and followed that up with fourth in Bahrain, but struggled in qualifying with the Haas of Kevin Magnussen just one-hundredth shy of Verstappen's Q3 time.

Verstappen reckons the team made some setup mistakes and is therefore hopeful of a better performance at F1's 1,000th race in China next weekend.

"It cannot be worse than what we showed here," he replied when asked for his thoughts ahead of the next race.

"We made some mistakes in terms of setup so I think if you look back to Australia we were quite happy, we were still 20 seconds off to Valtteri, but in that race I couldn’t go and push like I wanted to because I was always held up by other cars.

"I think we can do a lot better than what we have showed so far."

Bahrain is currently hosting a two-day in-season test which Verstappen reckons has come at a good time for Red Bull, to help it understand its car better and hone its setup.

Verstappen ended the session fastest on Tuesday and completed 62 laps, with rookie Daniel Ticktum taking over on Wednesday.

"We did a good amount of laps to understand what went wrong on the weekend," he added. "I think we learned a lot from it already, so in that way, I think it's very positive.

"We don't have that many days anyway to understand the car. During the weekend it all goes that quick [so] doing a day like this is very helpful."

https://www.motorsportweek.com/news/id/22241

LaurasOtherHalf

16,260 posts

146 months

Thursday 4th April 2019
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Went to a dinner with Newey and Horner last night, they both said as much.

More work needed.

Fortitude

357 posts

142 months

Friday 5th April 2019
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Went to a dinner with Newey and Horner last night, they both said as much.

More work needed.
Indeed... ...and going by this article, there appears to be a LOT of work, that needs to be done;

Red Bull chief admits Newey’s got this one wrong

April 5, 2019 · by thejudge13 · in Daily F1 News and Comment. ·

The shocking new reality for Red Bull and their ‘youngest ever World Champion’ (in waiting), is that Adrian Newey has produced what is termed in the UK colloquial terms – a duffer.

Yes, Max Verstappen is busy collecting points, 27 points to be precise, which is more than the Ferrari drivers Charles Leclerc and Sebastian Vettel. However, victories are still out of reach for the Dutchman at the moment and his teammate Pierre Gasly certainly looks lost at sea.

“We didn’t deserve third place. We lacked the speed.” admits Verstappen after the Bahrain GP, “Nevertheless, we scored good points and made the most of it.”

His new team-mate Pierre Gasly must be happy if he scores any points at all.

“Pierre had a solid race and some good overtaking manoeuvres. That should give him self-confidence,” spins team boss Christian Horner.

TJ13 has recently published a number of articles highlighting some suspicions on the new Red Bull Honda, first up the fact that in winter testing the team didn’t seem that fast: possibly close to Mercedes, but Mercedes were sandbagging in the extreme. Second being the sound analysis of the power outputs during Q3 of Bahrain. Honda are well down on Ferrari and Mercedes (more on that here).

Verstappen’s story in the race sounded like a copy of his story during Friday practice. “I never really had grip. It was tyre management from start to finish. Whether the wind made it more difficult, I can’t say.

“In any case, it didn’t help. Both tyres were problematic for me. We chose the wrong setup before qualifying. We had to drag that along in the race.” concluded Verstappen.

In Australia it took 180 minutes during free practice until the engineers had adjusted the car to the extent they felt they had the best setup. An extraordinary amount of time.

It appears for Bahrain, a similar issue occurred for Red Bull – “It’s difficult to hit the window perfectly,” Verstappen admits.

During the Bahrain testing after the Grand Prix, TJ13 published some statements from Red Bull that pretty much admitted to the car being problematic and actually surmised that their favoured son Verstappen might even break contract early due to some secret clauses in his contract.
Laughable is the rhetoric from Helmut Marko in Australia, obviously still nursing ‘a semi’ from Verstappen’s podium for Honda, their first since Barachello’s in 2008.

I quote: “With our car, he will be able to fight for the title. Absolutely.” and “if we talk about pace, then we were on equal terms with Hamilton.”

And now we’re hearing from the same man that “The trend was already there in Australia, but not as blatant as in Bahrain,

“We didn’t get the soft tyres to work. The car slides at the front, it slides at the rear. On the medium tyre, our car was transformed.”

And when asked, it seems that Marko blames the aerodynamics.

“Newey was deeply immersed in himself. That means he recognised the problem,”

And when asked if he thinks their aero guru Adrian Newey can find a fix, the rather resigned statement of “I hope.” is the best he can give.

Horner summed it up during the Bahrain test after the race – “With this [aero] problem, it is difficult to keep up the pace of Ferrari and Mercedes.

“When the safety car went onto the track three laps before the end of the race, the winner Lewis Hamilton was 30 seconds behind. Charles Leclerc without an engine problem would have finished 40 seconds ahead”

The statements of these senior team members point to an unstable downforce inherent in the car, and rarely this happens at Red Bull.

The cars are usually known to work in a large setup operating window. So Newey and his team have a hard task ahead of them. At the moment the Haas are just as fast in the corners and could become dangerous on certain stretches with their superior Ferrari power unit.

https://thejudge13.com/2019/04/05/red-bull-chief-a...

rdjohn

4,028 posts

145 months

Friday 5th April 2019
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https://thejudge13.com/the-project/

I am surprised that folk subscribe to this social media project. Occasionally they may guess right, but very frequently they are wrong. They simply listen to tittle-tattle. Especially from someone in Milton Keynes.

There seems to be a notion that Newey designs the cars. He heads a huge team of engineers. He may set objectives and make some final decisions, but you can bet that he is heavily influenced by the advice he is given. The team do have the huge resource to turn things around and a huge talent in Max to keep collecting points while they do.

The strong winds in Bahrain probably had a disproptional effect on outcomes at the weekend. These cannot be modelled either in CFD, or wind tunnel. But then why would they? It can be positive on the nose under brakeing and tail down the straight. However turning through a section of corners as sidewinds it can be hugely negative, but all teams and drivers just live with it.

Fortitude

357 posts

142 months

Friday 5th April 2019
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Red Bull targets fix for aero issues by Spanish GP
By: Jonathan Noble
Co-author: Christian Nimmervoll

Red Bull is confident it will have a fix for it aerodynamic issues by the Spanish Grand Prix at the latest, following some encouraging results in testing this week.

A challenging Bahrain Grand Prix weekend for both Max Verstappen and Pierre Gasly highlighted the 'tricky' handling of the RB15 , which appears to have a very narrow set-up window.

The team thinks that the problem is down to small details rather than anything major, and trialled some solutions at the post Bahrain GP test.

Verstappen duly topped the times on the opening day, before Dan Ticktum took over for the second day of action.

Red Bull motorsport advisor Helmut Marko thinks that there is no immediate fix for the problems that were exposed by Bahrain, but insists it will not take long to get it sorted.

He told Motorsport.com: "In Bahrain we identified a weakness in the aerodynamics. We think we know the cause and have already implemented amendments. Verstappen's time on Tuesday was quite okay.

"It's not a conceptual problem, but a detail thing – and it's not for the first time it has happened. But the wind in Bahrain multiplied it."

Asked about if the team understood what it needed to do, and when a solution could be ready, Marko said: "We do know the cause, yes. But the extent to which we can correct this for China is not clear as of today.

"At the very latest for Barcelona it should be done."

Marko believes that it has taken Red Bull until now to understand the weaknesses of its car because pre-season testing at Barcelona was compromised by the team losing new parts when Pierre Gasly crashed on the penultimate day.

"It is all a consequence of us running an interim version of our car at the final day of testing in Barcelona," he added. "We did not have the complete package available after Gasly's crash."

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red-bull-spanis...