Discussion
37chevy said:
No excuse. You miss my point which is, as a rookie it’s possible to beat your champion teammate. Vandoorne had his chance and hasn’t stepped up. It doesn’t matter what car you have, the other guy on the other side of the garage has the same equipment.
All Lando can do next season is beat Carlos and prove that he’s the real deal
The Hulk has had the measure of Sainz so Ricciardo joining Renault will be very interesting.All Lando can do next season is beat Carlos and prove that he’s the real deal
Sainz has been poor IMO so it will be interesting to see how Norris gets on.
For Red Bull not to take Sainz back for the works Red Bull drive was very telling.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
The Hulk has had the measure of Sainz so Ricciardo joining Renault will be very interesting.
Sainz has been poor IMO so it will be interesting to see how Norris gets on.
For Red Bull not to take Sainz back for the works Red Bull drive was very telling.
Agree with this. Sainz impressed me until this year, will be a good benchmark for Norris.Sainz has been poor IMO so it will be interesting to see how Norris gets on.
For Red Bull not to take Sainz back for the works Red Bull drive was very telling.
37chevy said:
Ok slight reality check here. Yes Hamilton’s dad wasn’t wealthy, but don’t fool yourself, he was still doing alright for himself. Add up what it costs to race in karts, formula Renault, formula 3, gp2 and Hamilton probably needed around £500k-£1million to get to f1
Wasnt Hamilton 'looked after' by Mclaren from a very early age?JonChalk said:
Dr Murdoch said:
corozin said:
and presumably McLaren have enough data to convince themselves he has the minerals.
and presumably Red Bull have enough data to convince themselves he doesn't have the minerals?Whatsmyname said:
37chevy said:
Ok slight reality check here. Yes Hamilton’s dad wasn’t wealthy, but don’t fool yourself, he was still doing alright for himself. Add up what it costs to race in karts, formula Renault, formula 3, gp2 and Hamilton probably needed around £500k-£1million to get to f1
Wasnt Hamilton 'looked after' by Mclaren from a very early age?He had a steady, well funded, support programme over quite a number of years before F1.
REALIST123 said:
Martin Hines first then McLaren and Mercedes soon after.
He had a steady, well funded, support programme over quite a number of years before F1.
Same as Vettel/ Ricciardo/ max with red bull. He had a steady, well funded, support programme over quite a number of years before F1.
Really Lewis was the first of many who have been talent spotted and brought up from a young age
37chevy said:
Same as Vettel/ Ricciardo/ max with red bull.
Really Lewis was the first of many who have been talent spotted and brought up from a young age
Max wasn't a Red Bull driver until he got into a Toro Rosso I don't think? Prior to that he was well connected through family contacts.Really Lewis was the first of many who have been talent spotted and brought up from a young age
Yes, yes, Holy Thread Resurrection Batman and all that....
I've been following LN and he's quick, no doubt but he still seems to get bullied out of the way at the start of races. It's like he's so worried about hitting other cars that he just bails out and drops places. I feel he needs to MTFU a bit and get his elbows out.
I've been following LN and he's quick, no doubt but he still seems to get bullied out of the way at the start of races. It's like he's so worried about hitting other cars that he just bails out and drops places. I feel he needs to MTFU a bit and get his elbows out.
Frimley111R said:
Yes, yes, Holy Thread Resurrection Batman and all that....
I've been following LN and he's quick, no doubt but he still seems to get bullied out of the way at the start of races. It's like he's so worried about hitting other cars that he just bails out and drops places. I feel he needs to MTFU a bit and get his elbows out.
His results would suggest this is a good tactic - he's in it for the points tally.....I do believe that F1 cars somewhat end up where they belong regardless of the start (look at Hamilton last weekend) and even 1 lot of dropped points due to an avoidable incident will be more costly over a season than being slightly cautious.I've been following LN and he's quick, no doubt but he still seems to get bullied out of the way at the start of races. It's like he's so worried about hitting other cars that he just bails out and drops places. I feel he needs to MTFU a bit and get his elbows out.
I rate Danny Ric as a good driver and Lando is really showing his capability in comparison - especially with illness this weekend.
Interesting how the first post has turned out to be so far off the mark! The guy has done an incredible job as a rookie and now in his first proper year doing an equally great job in a car that is clearly not there yet with a mega quick race winning team mate.
Still think it’s amazing how he’s gone from Ginetta Juniors to F1 podium so quickly without being on one of the main young driver programs from Red Bull Mercedes or Ferrari !
Still think it’s amazing how he’s gone from Ginetta Juniors to F1 podium so quickly without being on one of the main young driver programs from Red Bull Mercedes or Ferrari !
t with tonsillitis and air temperature in the high 30's was a hell of a showing with healthy Danny Ric coming in P12. 
rallycross said:
Interesting how the first post has turned out to be so far off the mark! The guy has done an incredible job as a rookie and now in his first proper year doing an equally great job in a car that is clearly not there yet with a mega quick race winning team mate.
Still think it’s amazing how he’s gone from Ginetta Juniors to F1 podium so quickly without being on one of the main young driver programs from Red Bull Mercedes or Ferrari !
You are right, I stand corrected and am happy to admit so. I think I caught him on a bad weekend Still think it’s amazing how he’s gone from Ginetta Juniors to F1 podium so quickly without being on one of the main young driver programs from Red Bull Mercedes or Ferrari !
George Russell is doing us Brits proud as well.
rallycross said:
Still think it’s amazing how he’s gone from Ginetta Juniors to F1 podium so quickly without being on one of the main young driver programs from Red Bull Mercedes or Ferrari !
He is clearly very talented and has had significant financial support during his formative years. Private hires of circuits between races did help him develop as a driver and get a competitive edge. I think it's time for Lando Norris to join the rank of drivers who have their own self-titled PH thread.
A slim majority of current F1 drivers have a self-titled thread. On the whole, it seems that 'number 1' drivers are granted their very own thread. The qualifying definition for this is that the thread title is their name only and isn't contextual to their position in any one circumstance or team. Drivers who have transcended their position within any one team to become key players in the wider driver market and therefore the sport.
(Well, those drivers, plus Ocon, Magnussen, Zhou and Stroll anyway!)
I am beginning to wonder whether Mclaren was a move too many for Ricciardo, and Norris, a team-mate too far. There is a 'Daniel Ricciardo' thread which has run to 15 pages discussing the travails of captain permasmile. I think we need to beat on Ricciardo less and start appreciating Norris for this, and ask ourselves whether Norris is showing us that he is not just the 'young mclaren driver' but that he is thread-worthy in his own right. Mclaren must unquestionably look to him as their number one driver at this stage as a default.
To my surprise Norris was out-scored by the much more experienced Sainz points machine in his first and second season but my recollection is that their raw performance was difficult to split. The gap was basically non-existent in their second year and it was generally Norris who landed the headline-grabbing standout finishes. He has now made Ricciardo look a bit silly for the best part of two seasons, and this is Ricciardo, who has won most of his eight races with Verstappen as a team-mate.
Norris easily best of the rest this season, consistently extracts the potential from a car which is apparently not without it's vices, the most likely driver to spring a surprise to the top six in qualifying, an impressive six podiums to his name, very rarely seen to make an unforced error, basically never crashes? Show me his sporting weakness?
Also he's your daughter's favourite driver, one of the two or three drivers who anybody under the age of 16 is likely to have heard of, advocate for mental health... he is the antithesis of the machismo which often appears to dominate in F1. A man who was willing to be open about mental health and with the strength to be seen as vulnerable to external factors at barely 20 years of age. What a guy, and very important to F1 due to the way his character appears to have resonated with a whole generation. I hope he one day wins the thing.
A slim majority of current F1 drivers have a self-titled thread. On the whole, it seems that 'number 1' drivers are granted their very own thread. The qualifying definition for this is that the thread title is their name only and isn't contextual to their position in any one circumstance or team. Drivers who have transcended their position within any one team to become key players in the wider driver market and therefore the sport.
(Well, those drivers, plus Ocon, Magnussen, Zhou and Stroll anyway!)
I am beginning to wonder whether Mclaren was a move too many for Ricciardo, and Norris, a team-mate too far. There is a 'Daniel Ricciardo' thread which has run to 15 pages discussing the travails of captain permasmile. I think we need to beat on Ricciardo less and start appreciating Norris for this, and ask ourselves whether Norris is showing us that he is not just the 'young mclaren driver' but that he is thread-worthy in his own right. Mclaren must unquestionably look to him as their number one driver at this stage as a default.
To my surprise Norris was out-scored by the much more experienced Sainz points machine in his first and second season but my recollection is that their raw performance was difficult to split. The gap was basically non-existent in their second year and it was generally Norris who landed the headline-grabbing standout finishes. He has now made Ricciardo look a bit silly for the best part of two seasons, and this is Ricciardo, who has won most of his eight races with Verstappen as a team-mate.
Norris easily best of the rest this season, consistently extracts the potential from a car which is apparently not without it's vices, the most likely driver to spring a surprise to the top six in qualifying, an impressive six podiums to his name, very rarely seen to make an unforced error, basically never crashes? Show me his sporting weakness?
Also he's your daughter's favourite driver, one of the two or three drivers who anybody under the age of 16 is likely to have heard of, advocate for mental health... he is the antithesis of the machismo which often appears to dominate in F1. A man who was willing to be open about mental health and with the strength to be seen as vulnerable to external factors at barely 20 years of age. What a guy, and very important to F1 due to the way his character appears to have resonated with a whole generation. I hope he one day wins the thing.
He's a very likeable personality isn't he, as well as being a great racer. His overtake on Leclerc at Monza last year, putting two wheels on the grass to do it, was probably the bravest move I've seen in F1 since the Mansell years.
I really enjoyed his appearances on the otherwise silly Drive to Survive.
Lando: I hurt my shoulder playing golf
Zac Brown: What kinda golf are you playing?
Lando, a little defensively: Mens golf...?
I just get a feeling that the career path he's in at McLaren might make it hard for him.
Leclerc has been given a championship winning shot this year (whether he takes it or not is up to him)
Russell is in a real championship winning team, even if this year is a struggle, it wouldn't shock anyone to see them back to their best within the next few years.
But for Mclaren to build a championship rivalling package for Lando? Of course it's POSSIBLE, but out of the Leclerc/Russell/Albon/Gasly etc generation, I don't think it's as likely that Lando can win it. And that's mostly down to his seat, not his talent.
If he tires of trying at Mclaren, where is he gonna go that gives him a better shot?
I really enjoyed his appearances on the otherwise silly Drive to Survive.
Lando: I hurt my shoulder playing golf
Zac Brown: What kinda golf are you playing?
Lando, a little defensively: Mens golf...?
I just get a feeling that the career path he's in at McLaren might make it hard for him.
Leclerc has been given a championship winning shot this year (whether he takes it or not is up to him)
Russell is in a real championship winning team, even if this year is a struggle, it wouldn't shock anyone to see them back to their best within the next few years.
But for Mclaren to build a championship rivalling package for Lando? Of course it's POSSIBLE, but out of the Leclerc/Russell/Albon/Gasly etc generation, I don't think it's as likely that Lando can win it. And that's mostly down to his seat, not his talent.
If he tires of trying at Mclaren, where is he gonna go that gives him a better shot?
HustleRussell said:
Part of the reason for the thread actually, I think that he's shown enough to be a target for the big three teams. His contract is long but contracts can be broken.
But who? To be a world champ you need to dominate your team mate and force them to build the team around you, a la Verstappen.Ferrari wouldn't do that, they can't decide on what's for tea, and Mercedes have already bet the farm on Russell. I can see Lando perhaps replacing Hamilton when he retires, but the team will back Russell to be their number one, and they should, he's earning that right as we speak. No one has a shot at Red Bull while Max and Horner are there.
I think Lando's world champion fortunes are very much tied in with how well Mclaren push on.
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