Lando Norris

[hondajack85]

Singapore looks like a good track for Norris. Hope he does well. Can he please avoid talking to any of the women from sky f1 for ages and ages painfully extracting his sensitive side lol.
Less social media followers more f1 titles please.

[MustangGT]

Siao said:

MustangGT said:

deadslow said:

Hamilton is often/always held up as an exemplar driver on these pages, and he was nothing special in Baku, only scraping a point through the misfortunes of others.

Having made up places from 19th and a pit lane start. How many places did Max make up? Let's see, started 6th, finished 5th, gifted 2 places in the same way as Lewis. That is a net loss of one. As I said, nothing special.

You can't really compare it like that, progressing from 6th is not as easy as progressing from dead last, I hope you can see that.

Of course I can, just descending to various other posters level for a moment.

[deadslow]

Siao said:

MustangGT said:

deadslow said:

Hamilton is often/always held up as an exemplar driver on these pages, and he was nothing special in Baku, only scraping a point through the misfortunes of others.

Having made up places from 19th and a pit lane start. How many places did Max make up? Let's see, started 6th, finished 5th, gifted 2 places in the same way as Lewis. That is a net loss of one. As I said, nothing special.

You can't really compare it like that, progressing from 6th is not as easy as progressing from dead last, I hope you can see that.

yes, that is exactly my point. If the car isn't working for you, you can easily get stuck, as both drivers did. Of course Hamilton came from the back, but the front running cars do this in a fairly straightforward manner, til they find their level and get stuck.

[Siao]

MustangGT said:

Siao said:

MustangGT said:

deadslow said:

Hamilton is often/always held up as an exemplar driver on these pages, and he was nothing special in Baku, only scraping a point through the misfortunes of others.

Having made up places from 19th and a pit lane start. How many places did Max make up? Let's see, started 6th, finished 5th, gifted 2 places in the same way as Lewis. That is a net loss of one. As I said, nothing special.

You can't really compare it like that, progressing from 6th is not as easy as progressing from dead last, I hope you can see that.

Of course I can, just descending to various other posters level for a moment.

Ok then!

[maz8062]

grumpynuts said:

I think Piastri is a better bet for a drivers championship than Norris and Norris has worked it out.Piastri is only in his 2nd season of F1 and the last few (5 i think) races has scored more points than anyone else.That tells me he has found his feet and worked out how to win in an F1 car.Apart from a brave and lucky decision by Ferrari last weekend, Piastri had everyone covered and dove an excellent race, he showed better race craft than I've seen from Norris so far.
I think Mclaren have also worked out that Piastri is their ticket to the WDC not Norris.Next season will see Piastri as WDC, and I'm a Brit, so am not going on nationality or favouritism, I'd love to see George Russell as WDC and if Merc get the car sorted, that could be a possibility next year too.
This year i think Max will scrape the WDC and McLaren will bag the WCC.

Mate, what are you going on about? I’ve been watching F1 for over 40 years and can’t remember a driver get beaten comprehensively by his team mate 2 seasons on the trot to then bounce back and turn things around as you suggest. Ok Nico did it in 2016 and then promptly retired washed out.

OP is currently driving with freedom - he has nothing to lose, while Lando is perhaps overthinking the opportunity of his first WDC. They’re both in different places, but on balance, over 2 seasons, Lando has the measure of OP convincingly.

In F1, if you’re fast you’re fast from the off. They don’t need 3 seasons to be fast - do you think Lando has peaked? If OP gets faster so will Lando.

There’s currently a false narrative that somehow OP is faster than Lando. Nonsense.

[cliffords]

maz8062 said:

grumpynuts said:

I think Piastri is a better bet for a drivers championship than Norris and Norris has worked it out.Piastri is only in his 2nd season of F1 and the last few (5 i think) races has scored more points than anyone else.That tells me he has found his feet and worked out how to win in an F1 car.Apart from a brave and lucky decision by Ferrari last weekend, Piastri had everyone covered and dove an excellent race, he showed better race craft than I've seen from Norris so far.
I think Mclaren have also worked out that Piastri is their ticket to the WDC not Norris.Next season will see Piastri as WDC, and I'm a Brit, so am not going on nationality or favouritism, I'd love to see George Russell as WDC and if Merc get the car sorted, that could be a possibility next year too.
This year i think Max will scrape the WDC and McLaren will bag the WCC.

Mate, what are you going on about? I’ve been watching F1 for over 40 years and can’t remember a driver get beaten comprehensively by his team mate 2 seasons on the trot to then bounce back and turn things around as you suggest. Ok Nico did it in 2016 and then promptly retired washed out.

OP is currently driving with freedom - he has nothing to lose, while Lando is perhaps overthinking the opportunity of his first WDC. They’re both in different places, but on balance, over 2 seasons, Lando has the measure of OP convincingly.

In F1, if you’re fast you’re fast from the off. They don’t need 3 seasons to be fast - do you think Lando has peaked? If OP gets faster so will Lando.

There’s currently a false narrative that somehow OP is faster than Lando. Nonsense.

OP is faster than Lando

[ntiz]

cliffords said:

OP is faster than Lando

14-4 in Lando favour in qualifying would suggest otherwise.

[Diderot]

cliffords said:

maz8062 said:

grumpynuts said:

I think Piastri is a better bet for a drivers championship than Norris and Norris has worked it out.Piastri is only in his 2nd season of F1 and the last few (5 i think) races has scored more points than anyone else.That tells me he has found his feet and worked out how to win in an F1 car.Apart from a brave and lucky decision by Ferrari last weekend, Piastri had everyone covered and dove an excellent race, he showed better race craft than I've seen from Norris so far.
I think Mclaren have also worked out that Piastri is their ticket to the WDC not Norris.Next season will see Piastri as WDC, and I'm a Brit, so am not going on nationality or favouritism, I'd love to see George Russell as WDC and if Merc get the car sorted, that could be a possibility next year too.
This year i think Max will scrape the WDC and McLaren will bag the WCC.

Mate, what are you going on about? I’ve been watching F1 for over 40 years and can’t remember a driver get beaten comprehensively by his team mate 2 seasons on the trot to then bounce back and turn things around as you suggest. Ok Nico did it in 2016 and then promptly retired washed out.

OP is currently driving with freedom - he has nothing to lose, while Lando is perhaps overthinking the opportunity of his first WDC. They’re both in different places, but on balance, over 2 seasons, Lando has the measure of OP convincingly.

In F1, if you’re fast you’re fast from the off. They don’t need 3 seasons to be fast - do you think Lando has peaked? If OP gets faster so will Lando.

There’s currently a false narrative that somehow OP is faster than Lando. Nonsense.

OP is faster than Lando

or will a whoosh parrot be along in a mo?

Just some stats for you: OP was 41 seconds behind today. 27 seconds behind in Zandvoort. 31 seconds behind in Spain. 13 seconds behind in Imola. 49 seconds behind in Miami. 46 seconds behind in China. 18 seconds behind in Japan. 30 seconds behind in Australia.

When OP is in front of Lando, the deltas are very much smaller. But yes OP is faster.

[axel1990chp]

This might be controversial, but on a basic note.

I don’t think Lando is particularly deserving of a championship this season. I say that as a McLaren fan.

I think we all know it won’t happen without a serious issue on Max’s side at some point, but if that happens, has Lando really had that championship mentality?

Every time he’s talking - he’s down, deflated, defeated and has almost no belief in himself. Perhaps he has issues in himself or there is something going on, but that sense of belief isn’t there. He’s fast, he has a great car under him, but past that?

I don’t wish to be flamed for it, and it’s merely my glancing opinion, but for someone who is within mathematical distance of beating his friend, he seems apologetic at every turn for some reason or another.

Very strange, I would say!

[sandman77]

axel1990chp said:

This might be controversial, but on a basic note.

I don’t think Lando is particularly deserving of a championship this season. I say that as a McLaren fan.

I think we all know it won’t happen without a serious issue on Max’s side at some point, but if that happens, has Lando really had that championship mentality?

Every time he’s talking - he’s down, deflated, defeated and has almost no belief in himself. Perhaps he has issues in himself or there is something going on, but that sense of belief isn’t there. He’s fast, he has a great car under him, but past that?

I don’t wish to be flamed for it, and it’s merely my glancing opinion, but for someone who is within mathematical distance of beating his friend, he seems apologetic at every turn for some reason or another.

Very strange, I would say!

Why don’t you judge him on his driving rather than his radio messages/interviews? He is certainly currently driving like a champion.

[paulguitar]

If he wins, he will deserve it, so long as there is no AD21-style stupidity.

[axel1990chp]

sandman77 said:

Why don’t you judge him on his driving rather than his radio messages/interviews? He is certainly currently driving like a champion.

Sliding his car under pressure and requiring his team mate to drop back to provide DRS?

Yeah sure, champion

[PlywoodPascal]

axel1990chp said:

This might be controversial, but on a basic note.

I don’t think Lando is particularly deserving of a championship this season. I say that as a McLaren fan.

I think we all know it won’t happen without a serious issue on Max’s side at some point, but if that happens, has Lando really had that championship mentality?

Every time he’s talking - he’s down, deflated, defeated and has almost no belief in himself. Perhaps he has issues in himself or there is something going on, but that sense of belief isn’t there. He’s fast, he has a great car under him, but past that?

I don’t wish to be flamed for it, and it’s merely my glancing opinion, but for someone who is within mathematical distance of beating his friend, he seems apologetic at every turn for some reason or another.

Very strange, I would say!

you don't get points for confidence/lack of self awareness.

[Jasandjules]

In Holland he was 20 seconds up the road. IN a few of the races he had the pace to massively rocket away. That is what counts is it not? Oh, and he doesn't try to crash into his rivals or force them off the track either.

[axel1990chp]

No granted, he is fast, and he has the capable car at the moment, but mentality and self belief play a massive part in your performance, even in amateur sports let alone pinnacle of motor sport.

Do you not feel if he was more confident and positive he may be driving that extra 10% too?

It isn’t inconceivable

[Wills2]

PlywoodPascal said:

you don't get points for confidence/lack of self awareness.

Someone needs to tell 3 x WDC Max that, I think the above are essential to win a WDC unless romping home in a Rocketship every race, got to be ruthless and believe in yourself just like Nico was.

[isaldiri]

axel1990chp said:

No granted, he is fast, and he has the capable car at the moment, but mentality and self belief play a massive part in your performance, even in amateur sports let alone pinnacle of motor sport.

Do you not feel if he was more confident and positive he may be driving that extra 10% too?

It isn’t inconceivable

It's also not inconceivable that if Norris were to try to project an image of being someone that he actually isn't and somehow try to force himself to be more positive despite himself, his driving (which I suppose actually is the important bit) might start to suffer as a result.

Too much is sometimes placed on people can come across especially if they don't quite fit the 'template' others have in mind of what they should be I think....that might be especially so for sportspeople at the sharp end.

[axel1990chp]

Wills2 said:

PlywoodPascal said:

you don't get points for confidence/lack of self awareness.

Someone needs to tell 3 x WDC Max that, I think the above are essential to win a WDC unless romping home in a Rocketship every race, got to be ruthless and believe in yourself just like Nico was.

The man who says he can, and the man who says he cannot, are both correct

[PlywoodPascal]

axel1990chp said:

The man who says he can, and the man who says he cannot, are both correct

And one who says ‘I am not sure I can, how do I make sure of it?’ will beat them both.

This stupid trope of blind confidence and rectitude is basically toxic masculinity. There’s a great book you can read to see the error of thinking you are making - ‘why do so many incompetent men become leaders?’.
We attribute characteristics as being necessary for success or leadership that in reality are counterproductive.

[axel1990chp]

There’s a rather large gap between blind confidence and simply believing in yourself, not sure why your back is up about it?

Edit: self belief isn’t a masculine only thing, either, so your toxic masculinity reference is pointless.

The law of attraction is something you believe in, or you don’t. I do.

Edited by axel1990chp on Saturday 2nd November 16:49