Vietnamese Grand Prix 2020

Vietnamese Grand Prix 2020

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ELUSIVEJIM

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7,787 posts

101 months

Thursday 1st November 2018
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Wonder if this will happen.

Strange nothing has been mentioned before.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/46059476

wibble cb

1,803 posts

157 months

Thursday 1st November 2018
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Hanoi is a beautiful place, but I don’t think it’s going to happen.....imagine trying to get through this....it would be slower than Monaco laughsmile


ELUSIVEJIM

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7,787 posts

101 months

Friday 2nd November 2018
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wibble cb said:
Hanoi is a beautiful place, but I don’t think it’s going to happen.....imagine trying to get through this....it would be slower than Monaco laughsmile

laugh

It reminds me of the first lap of a GP biggrin

Bradgate

2,201 posts

97 months

Friday 2nd November 2018
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Another race in the small hours of the morning on a crappy street circuit in a third world dictatorship craphole country where the locals have neither the interest nor the money to buy tickets.

Just what F1 needs. I'm sure the team will be delighted rolleyes.

Meanwhile, in Zandvoort, hundreds of thousands of Dutch F1 fans who are desperate to see their local hero race in his own country are ignored...

Europa1

9,389 posts

138 months

Friday 2nd November 2018
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
Wonder if this will happen.

Strange nothing has been mentioned before.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/46059476
It's been mentioned a few times during F1 qualifying or race shows this season.

ELUSIVEJIM

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7,787 posts

101 months

Friday 2nd November 2018
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Europa1 said:
It's been mentioned a few times during F1 qualifying or race shows this season.
That's what I get for only watching the race. biggrin

Well if that's possible when it's a stream on Sky only weekends.

CABC

2,948 posts

51 months

Saturday 3rd November 2018
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Bradgate said:
Meanwhile, in Zandvoort, hundreds of thousands of Dutch F1 fans who are desperate to see their local hero race in his own country are ignored...
dutch media reporting that Liberty have made an offer for 2020.
great thing about Zandvoort is that the beach just across the road (quite literally a few metres, incredible) is huge and the bars there strecth for many kilometres. they'll be no need to leave the circuit straightaway! fantastic venue.

thegreenhell

6,452 posts

169 months

Saturday 3rd November 2018
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Bradgate said:
Meanwhile, in Zandvoort, hundreds of thousands of Dutch F1 fans who are desperate to see their local hero race in his own country are ignored...
He already has a race in his birth country, and it's hardly a long slog for the Dutch to cross the border for it.

coppice

5,703 posts

94 months

Sunday 4th November 2018
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Oh that's all right then... Except it really isn't .Because Vietnam has no racing history (which is sort of understandable ) , no noted drivers and there is no evidence of local desire for a GP . Like Azerbaijan - and the rest of the joke countries like Bahrain - the only reason a GP will take place is the huge amount of cash F1's cynical 'owners' will demand for putting on its show . And three locals , a few tourists and several stray dogs will turn up for the ...umm ....spectacle on its anodyne little circuit , full of right angle bends and hemmed in by huge steel barriers.

I was at the last Dutch GP in 1985. Great race , won by Lauda , great circuit and great people and smashing chips .

anonymous-user

4 months

Sunday 4th November 2018
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LOL at the general consensus here on Vietnam. The race may well be dull or it may not be, but if you go you'll get to experience Vietnam which is a fascinating and beautiful country ten times more interesting and picturesque than the Netherlands ever will be. I suspect most people's opinion of the country on here is generated from casual viewings of Hollywood's output such as Full Metal Jacket and Platoon rolleyes

CABC

2,948 posts

51 months

Sunday 4th November 2018
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cb1965 said:
LOL at the general consensus here on Vietnam. The race may well be dull or it may not be, but if you go you'll get to experience Vietnam which is a fascinating and beautiful country ten times more interesting and picturesque than the Netherlands ever will be. I suspect most people's opinion of the country on here is generated from casual viewings of Hollywood's output such as Full Metal Jacket and Platoon rolleyes
i dont think F1 are interested in becoming the tourist board for any country though.
it is a beautiful place, even more so down south imo. and i don't think H.Bay needs any more tourists.
Zandvoort has history, will remain a great circuit (hopefully) and the Max Factor is something F1 wants to exploit.

Oilchange

5,914 posts

210 months

Sunday 4th November 2018
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Have to say Zandvoort is a great circuit, to see the grandstands bathed in orange would be a sight to behold smile

REALIST123

12,722 posts

103 months

Sunday 4th November 2018
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cb1965 said:
LOL at the general consensus here on Vietnam. The race may well be dull or it may not be, but if you go you'll get to experience Vietnam which is a fascinating and beautiful country ten times more interesting and picturesque than the Netherlands ever will be. I suspect most people's opinion of the country on here is generated from casual viewings of Hollywood's output such as Full Metal Jacket and Platoon rolleyes
Vietnam’s a great place to visit, I’ve been there a few times.

Hanoi’s hardly the best place for an international event though. Lots of poverty, pollution and chaos.

Saigon might have been better but, as said, there’ll be little or no interest locally anywhere.

Another Turkey imo.

CoolHands

10,427 posts

145 months

Sunday 4th November 2018
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Normally these countries only do it to promote themselves / their oil companies, but Vietnam is bankrupt isn’t it? Oil prices down the pan. What are they trying to promote?

StevieBee

8,360 posts

205 months

Sunday 4th November 2018
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CABC said:
cb1965 said:
LOL at the general consensus here on Vietnam. The race may well be dull or it may not be, but if you go you'll get to experience Vietnam which is a fascinating and beautiful country ten times more interesting and picturesque than the Netherlands ever will be. I suspect most people's opinion of the country on here is generated from casual viewings of Hollywood's output such as Full Metal Jacket and Platoon rolleyes
i dont think F1 are interested in becoming the tourist board for any country though.
That's exactly what they are.

F1 doesn't go to places like Baku or Singapore and the like out of respect to their long-standing car culture and affinity to motor racing. They go because those governments wish to place their nations on the map and are willing to pay for it.

Melbourne benefits hugely from the Grand Prix in boosted tourism throughout the year, directly attributed to the presence of the Grand Prix there. How many people even knew Baku existed five years ago? - let alone where it was.

thegreenhell

6,452 posts

169 months

Sunday 4th November 2018
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StevieBee said:
That's exactly what they are.
Indeed. Nowhere has a divine right to host a Grand Prix. Every country, state or city that has ever hosted a race of any kind has done so as a form of self-promotion. With the possible exceptions of Britain, France, Germany and Italy, which have been the foundations of the motoring industry and motor racing, you could ask the same question of why we are racing anywhere. F1 has always raced wherever they can make it pay, regardless of who or why someone wants to pay for it.

In Hanoi's case, I believe its proximity to the Chinese border is significant, as they're trying to attract Chinese money to the city as much as European.

CABC

2,948 posts

51 months

Sunday 4th November 2018
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StevieBee said:
That's exactly what they are.

F1 doesn't go to places like Baku or Singapore and the like out of respect to their long-standing car culture and affinity to motor racing. They go because those governments wish to place their nations on the map and are willing to pay for it.

Melbourne benefits hugely from the Grand Prix in boosted tourism throughout the year, directly attributed to the presence of the Grand Prix there. How many people even knew Baku existed five years ago? - let alone where it was.
i agree. but F1 itself has no interest, they just take the fee.

back on topic, i think Liberty have to think through the local show. ignoring the "Max Factor" is missing a trick and holding GPs at empty venues in the sand seems a little hollow. The same with not offering enough free-to-air access. If the fanbase continues to diminish they'll be no audience for any of their revenue generating activities.


coppice

5,703 posts

94 months

Tuesday 6th November 2018
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thegreenhell said:
Indeed. Nowhere has a divine right to host a Grand Prix. Every country, state or city that has ever hosted a race of any kind has done so as a form of self-promotion. With the possible exceptions of Britain, France, Germany and Italy, which have been the foundations of the motoring industry and motor racing, you could ask the same question of why we are racing anywhere. F1 has always raced wherever they can make it pay, regardless of who or why someone wants to pay for it.

In Hanoi's case, I believe its proximity to the Chinese border is significant, as they're trying to attract Chinese money to the city as much as European.
You can add Japan , Australasia , South Africa , Canada , Argentina and Brazil (at least) to your first list, unless you think Grand Prix racing started in the 80s . F1 lost the plot when Mosley sold Ecclestone the commercial rights for £1.50 so the latter could pimp it round to whatever regime would pay his twenty pieces of silver. Which is why ., instead of watching 100.000 Dutch fans shouting for Max at Zandvoort , 3 men and a stray dog watch the so called Grand Prix in Baku. The country which ,despite being east of Syria, hosted a European Grand Prix .

I could not be less interested in Hanoi's business case because, y'know , I sort of like motor sport .

schmalex

13,316 posts

156 months

Tuesday 6th November 2018
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I’ve raced Uber scooters round Hoan Kiem lake in Hanoi many times - that’s racing. We even had a Le Mans start last time...

I spend a lot of time in Vietnam on business. The cities aren’t the poverty stricken, dictator riddled hell holes that some make them out to be. There is a huge amount of private money in Vietnam and it has a rapidly growing middle class who are keen on embracing new things.

I’m delighted F1 is going there. Just because it doesn’t have a history of motorsport now doesn’t mean that it won’t have a history of motorsport 10, 20, 50 years from now.

Give it a chance. It may well turn out to be a fantastic event...

coppice

5,703 posts

94 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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I don't doubt Vietnam's beauty and the charm of its people. But it will almost certainly share the same fate as Turkey, S Korea , India and Malaysia , even if it does get a GP .

F1 is a European sport -with hon mentions to Japan , N and S America and Australasia - and most of the people who care about it passionately are in Europe. Most of the drivers are European , most of the cars are made within 30miles of Oxford and exactly why are we so keen to push for races in countries with little , often zero, motor sport activity ? GPs may be a feather in the cap of some 3rd world dictator, oligarch or sheikh but why we even consider races in Abu Dhabi , Russia , Azerbaijan or anywhere else we've either never heard of or never want to visit is beyond me .

If the Man City v Man U game were played in Kyrgistan , Wimbledon fortnight held in Riyadh , the Ashes contested in Beijing or the Open played in Ulan Bataar there'd be an outcry . But what does the F1 ..err..fanbase do ? Shrug its shoulders , mutter something about market forces and go back to sleep in front of its big telly .