Vietnamese Grand Prix 2020

Vietnamese Grand Prix 2020

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REALIST123

13,548 posts

108 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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bristolracer said:
Somebody will still ride a moped across the track with two children and a mobile food stall all balanced on the back
....without hitting anything!!



NicoG

533 posts

163 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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I was wondering if this would ever see the light of day, and now it looks like it might, I'm pretty excited about going to this.
Sepang was a fantastic race on a great circuit, that often had the added excitement of some biblical downpours to spice things up a bit.
On a serious note though I hope they've modelled the drainage or this track could become a canal in about 4 minutes....

To me, this Hanoi gig looks like the logical successor / replacement to the Malaysian GP in some ways.
My worry is, as has been mentioned above, the race won't last, as the cost to attend it is too high a bar to access for people (locals) to clear.

This was (as I understood it) the purported reason for the sad demise of the Sepang event.

All the more reason to go whilst the opportunity IS there!
Always wanted to visit Vietnam, done a lot of other places in SE Asia and this might just be the 'excuse' I needed to go - I'd dovetail it into a fortnight out there somehow....

Great news as far as I'm concerned - did someone say $100 for a 3 day grandstand pass? burn some airmiles with Emirates on the top-deck / pointy end, huge choice of 5* hotels for £100 / night - Where the fk do I sign ?


LaurasOtherHalf

17,392 posts

151 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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chunder27 said:
It has NOTHING, repeat nothing to do with expansion.

it is only about who wants to pay for a race, that is ALL there is to it and all there has been for about 20 years.
So?

Allyc85

7,053 posts

141 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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DeltaTango said:
The track design looks great, don't know what all the moaning is about.

It'll be a great event. Vietnam is a fantastic place. It's only going to have a positive impact on the place.
Agreed! People moaned about Baku being single track before a long straight, and that has turned out just fine!

As for someone on here judging the elevation of the track on a single map of it.. laugh

Deesee

3,968 posts

38 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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Heres the straight

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bp4RssYB_Iw/?hl=en

Helicopter in? hehe

SmoothCriminal

2,908 posts

154 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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https://youtu.be/Z8vGfM9BZsU

Roads look massive.

No doubt f1 will put armco to make it a cars width and stiffle overtaking.

Not the most glorious of areas very industrial the first bit.

Kraken

1,433 posts

155 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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Worries me that Liberty are saying that they are targeting more street tracks for the future.

thegreenhell

7,016 posts

174 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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Kraken said:
Worries me that Liberty are saying that they are targeting more street tracks for the future.
And with Silverstone breaking their contract after next year they're talking again about a London GP to replace it.

Deesee

3,968 posts

38 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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thegreenhell said:
Kraken said:
Worries me that Liberty are saying that they are targeting more street tracks for the future.
And with Silverstone breaking their contract after next year they're talking again about a London GP to replace it.
Silverstone are charging 300£+ for a 3 day ticket (some of the stands are not even covered) they are even offering interest free credit for the tickets! Add car parking/camping etc...well we know.

All to easy for London to slip in and pay a race fee if that’s the going rate for a seat.





schmalex

13,616 posts

161 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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NicoG said:
Great news as far as I'm concerned - did someone say $100 for a 3 day grandstand pass? burn some airmiles with Emirates on the top-deck / pointy end, huge choice of 5* hotels for £100 / night - Where the fk do I sign ?
Not quite. A decent 5* hotel around HaNoi Opera House in Hoan Kiem (the only place with lots of 5* places in HaNoi) is closer to £150 - £250 / night. Any of the restaurants and bars round that area will charge western prices (there’s a bloody good Argentinian steak place just along from the Hilton). It gets cheaper as you get up to old town and out in the suburbs, everything is extremely cheap.

HaNoi is a pretty quiet city, really, with everything closed and tucked up by 1am. There are a few clubs, but they are mostly pretty gritty. HCMC is a much better bet if you want a party and can be reached on an Air Asia flight from Noi Bai airport for $20 / $30


slipstream 1985

7,113 posts

134 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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SmoothCriminal said:
Reminds me a little of shennington kart club

DeejRC

1,311 posts

37 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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coppice said:
thegreenhell said:
Indeed. Nowhere has a divine right to host a Grand Prix. Every country, state or city that has ever hosted a race of any kind has done so as a form of self-promotion. With the possible exceptions of Britain, France, Germany and Italy, which have been the foundations of the motoring industry and motor racing, you could ask the same question of why we are racing anywhere. F1 has always raced wherever they can make it pay, regardless of who or why someone wants to pay for it.

In Hanoi's case, I believe its proximity to the Chinese border is significant, as they're trying to attract Chinese money to the city as much as European.
You can add Japan , Australasia , South Africa , Canada , Argentina and Brazil (at least) to your first list, unless you think Grand Prix racing started in the 80s . F1 lost the plot when Mosley sold Ecclestone the commercial rights for £1.50 so the latter could pimp it round to whatever regime would pay his twenty pieces of silver. Which is why ., instead of watching 100.000 Dutch fans shouting for Max at Zandvoort , 3 men and a stray dog watch the so called Grand Prix in Baku. The country which ,despite being east of Syria, hosted a European Grand Prix .

I could not be less interested in Hanoi's business case because, y'know , I sort of like motor sport .
Motor racing does not and never has existed because some oik liked motor sport. It exists and has always existed because of business cases.

"Fans" really need to learn to accept that nobody in the motor racing administration gives a fk about them or has ever given a fk about them.

noble12345

285 posts

171 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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Yu aol forgeet Vietnaaaam has histry of bein Raceeeey baby, wee rove u looong tiiime.

This is going to be great. New cars, new tracks, new diseases discovering new cultures and food, whats not to like about that.

RoadRunner220

789 posts

148 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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Vietnam is a country I've always wanted to visit, and my friends and I try and go to a different F1 race each year. Could kill two birds with one stone with on the back of this news.

jsf

17,175 posts

191 months

Thursday 8th November 2018
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Oilchange said:
Have to say Zandvoort is a great circuit, to see the grandstands bathed in orange would be a sight to behold smile
Its completely unsuitable for modern F1.

Cold

9,146 posts

45 months

Thursday 8th November 2018
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Sightly different overview of the layout.


fttm

2,023 posts

90 months

Thursday 8th November 2018
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Looked at the circuit earlier on YT , ^ that overview confirms my thoughts , dreadful layout . How long before Liberty propose a race at Indy ?

coppice

6,063 posts

99 months

Thursday 8th November 2018
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DeejRC said:
Motor racing does not and never has existed because some oik liked motor sport. It exists and has always existed because of business cases.

"Fans" really need to learn to accept that nobody in the motor racing administration gives a fk about them or has ever given a fk about them.

Your cynicism isn't entirely justified . Motor sport existed just fine when it looked at more than the bottom line . It needed to break even , of course , but was not hell bent on creating the the absurd cash cow which F1 has become. But in the wider context, most motor sport is not about profit , but about blokes messing around in cars . This weekend I am at a VSCC event which costs me only the fuel to get there , and the vast majority of stuff organised by HSCC , BARC, BRSCC , CSCC etc does not have profit at its core .

It is worth noting too that Silverstone charges a lot for entry to the GP because , just about uniquely, the government does not subsidise the race . Nor should it . But the likes of Azerbaijan are happy to lob the required numbers of dollars to pay for the race it uses to lord it over its neighbours .

REALIST123

13,548 posts

108 months

Thursday 8th November 2018
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coppice said:
DeejRC said:
Motor racing does not and never has existed because some oik liked motor sport. It exists and has always existed because of business cases.

"Fans" really need to learn to accept that nobody in the motor racing administration gives a fk about them or has ever given a fk about them.

Your cynicism isn't entirely justified . Motor sport existed just fine when it looked at more than the bottom line . It needed to break even , of course , but was not hell bent on creating the the absurd cash cow which F1 has become. But in the wider context, most motor sport is not about profit , but about blokes messing around in cars . This weekend I am at a VSCC event which costs me only the fuel to get there , and the vast majority of stuff organised by HSCC , BARC, BRSCC , CSCC etc does not have profit at its core .

It is worth noting too that Silverstone charges a lot for entry to the GP because , just about uniquely, the government does not subsidise the race . Nor should it . But the likes of Azerbaijan are happy to lob the required numbers of dollars to pay for the race it uses to lord it over its neighbours .
I agree with a lot of what you say but not about the ticket prices. They charge according to demand. Baku grandstands can be more expensive than Silverstone. Mexico is very high because of Perez’s popularity locally.

It’s quite variable but Malaysia was amongst the cheapest because of lack of demand.

schmalex

13,616 posts

161 months

Thursday 8th November 2018
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Being an hour out of town, next to KLIA didn’t help Sepang at all.

There is, however, still a huge amount of other motorsport at the Sepang circuit so all is not lost there.