Leclerc, Vettel & Ferrari 2019
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ajprice said:
Mick is officially announced as Ferrari Academy https://wtf1.com/post/mick-schumacher-has-joined-t...
SV better pull his socks up then as another poor year plus a good showing from CLC will have Ferrari putting MS in the car.mk1coopers said:
ajprice said:
Mick is officially announced as Ferrari Academy https://wtf1.com/post/mick-schumacher-has-joined-t...
SV better pull his socks up then as another poor year plus a good showing from CLC will have Ferrari putting MS in the car.The only vaguely remote possibility that could force Ferrari to promote Mick to the team early is if Mercedes were to be offering Mick a race seat at the expense of Hamilton (no point going there when it is Hamilton's team) or Hamilton suddenly retiring. I don't see either possibility as very likely.
d due to a character he played in East Enders?Contract Killer said:
I wonder how long until he is fed up with the media.
I can guarantee the first question from any interview will be, "how is your dad doing".......
Except I’ve already seen him interviewed at an F1 race weekend and he wasn’t asked that question because of... you know... common decency. I can guarantee the first question from any interview will be, "how is your dad doing".......
mk1coopers said:
SV better pull his socks up then as another poor year plus a good showing from CLC will have Ferrari putting MS in the car.
Let’s not go nuts, this is Ferrari- the team which is famously conservative with its driver selections. LeClerc is a blip because of Marchionne. MiniMan64 said:
HustleRussell said:
Let’s not go nuts, this is Ferrari- the team which is famously conservative with its driver selections. LeClerc is a blip because of Marchionne.
Yeah and look where it's got them since Michael was behind the wheel.Let's not get ahead of ourselves, LEC still has to prove himself against VET who is quite phenomenal in Qualifying before we even think about the understudy's understudy!
People seem to want to talk up LEC but he really hasn't proven too much in my opinion just yet-that's not to say I don't think he's a fantastic prospect! VET is constantly derided as a driver who can only win from the front and whilst that may have some truth in it, I don't think he get's the respect he deserves in getting himself up to the front.
LEC had some wonderful qualifying performances in '18 but he was doing them under no real pressure and no real competition, he could play jazz with his lines as if it didn't work, would it really matter?
Driving at the thin edge of the wedge however is something completely different as as ling as he's looked after, VET (alongside HAM) is supreme at this. Witness how BOT folded last year under the constant strive for one lap perfection and this is the battle LEC has in front of him.
People seem to want to talk up LEC but he really hasn't proven too much in my opinion just yet-that's not to say I don't think he's a fantastic prospect! VET is constantly derided as a driver who can only win from the front and whilst that may have some truth in it, I don't think he get's the respect he deserves in getting himself up to the front.
LEC had some wonderful qualifying performances in '18 but he was doing them under no real pressure and no real competition, he could play jazz with his lines as if it didn't work, would it really matter?
Driving at the thin edge of the wedge however is something completely different as as ling as he's looked after, VET (alongside HAM) is supreme at this. Witness how BOT folded last year under the constant strive for one lap perfection and this is the battle LEC has in front of him.
I read an interesting piece about Leclerc the other day. It was saying that while he's very fast over a lap, he was actually the least consistent driver on the grid last year in terms of stringing together his personal best sectors all in the same lap in qualifying. Vettel was the most consistent in this regard.
thegreenhell said:
I read an interesting piece about Leclerc the other day. It was saying that while he's very fast over a lap, he was actually the least consistent driver on the grid last year in terms of stringing together his personal best sectors all in the same lap in qualifying. Vettel was the most consistent in this regard.
Interesting, any link?This is what I was alluding to-I think it was Gary Anderson who commented about LEC's inconsistencies during a hot lap. As I said, he didn't have much to lose during '18 but he's going to look poor very quickly next to VET's metronomic skill if he keeps it up.
If he needs a few races to get around to this way of performing, how many will he be given?
I think VET's demise may be vastly overstated at the moment.
mk1coopers said:
ajprice said:
Mick is officially announced as Ferrari Academy https://wtf1.com/post/mick-schumacher-has-joined-t...
SV better pull his socks up then as another poor year plus a good showing from CLC will have Ferrari putting MS in the car.The last time Ferrari had either of their drivers not being a current or former WDC was in 2007 when Kimi partnered Massa. I think he was a good bet to do well though.
Before that you’d have to go back to Berger and Alesi in the 90’s
A top team simply will not have a rookie and a driver with 2 seasons under him, least of all Ferrari.
Good as his first season was, LeClerc has done precisely nothing yet. He could very well be another Alesi.
Much as I dislike him, Vettel is going nowhere unless one of the other big hitters (Hamilton, Verstappen) takes his place or he does a Rosberg.
Muzzer79 said:
Not. Going. To. Happen
The last time Ferrari had either of their drivers not being a current or former WDC was in 2007 when Kimi partnered Massa. I think he was a good bet to do well though.
Before that you’d have to go back to Berger and Alesi in the 90’s
A top team simply will not have a rookie and a driver with 2 seasons under him, least of all Ferrari.
Good as his first season was, LeClerc has done precisely nothing yet. He could very well be another Alesi.
Much as I dislike him, Vettel is going nowhere unless one of the other big hitters (Hamilton, Verstappen) takes his place or he does a Rosberg.
Alesi's problem was the car and team management.The last time Ferrari had either of their drivers not being a current or former WDC was in 2007 when Kimi partnered Massa. I think he was a good bet to do well though.
Before that you’d have to go back to Berger and Alesi in the 90’s
A top team simply will not have a rookie and a driver with 2 seasons under him, least of all Ferrari.
Good as his first season was, LeClerc has done precisely nothing yet. He could very well be another Alesi.
Much as I dislike him, Vettel is going nowhere unless one of the other big hitters (Hamilton, Verstappen) takes his place or he does a Rosberg.
No doubting his talent and sticking it up the inside of Senna.
We just don't know how LeClerc will stack up with Italy's national team.
Vettel may feel like doing something new in 2020 but should still be leading LeClerc this season.
So Gutierrez > Schumacher Jnr > Vettel.
Which must make Grosjean a driving god. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Formula_One_Wor...
Which must make Grosjean a driving god. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Formula_One_Wor...
Wait! Stop!
Pastor Maldonado is officially better than them all by virtue of this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_United_States_G...
Pastor Maldonado is officially better than them all by virtue of this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_United_States_G...
ralphrj said:
mk1coopers said:
ajprice said:
Mick is officially announced as Ferrari Academy https://wtf1.com/post/mick-schumacher-has-joined-t...
SV better pull his socks up then as another poor year plus a good showing from CLC will have Ferrari putting MS in the car.The only vaguely remote possibility that could force Ferrari to promote Mick to the team early is if Mercedes were to be offering Mick a race seat at the expense of Hamilton (no point going there when it is Hamilton's team) or Hamilton suddenly retiring. I don't see either possibility as very likely.
TobyTR said:
So as the majority thought on this thread, Leclerc is very much the real deal and not overrated/hyped up
what a class act.
imo, in overall potential he's better than Max... MV reminds me of another Juan Pablo Montoya - blistering lap pace but wild
Don’t think there’s much doubt, he’s as good as max, without the attitude what a class act.
imo, in overall potential he's better than Max... MV reminds me of another Juan Pablo Montoya - blistering lap pace but wild
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