Leclerc, Vettel & Ferrari 2019

Leclerc, Vettel & Ferrari 2019

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mk1coopers

393 posts

112 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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ajprice said:
Mick is officially announced as Ferrari Academy https://wtf1.com/post/mick-schumacher-has-joined-t...
SV better pull his socks up then as another poor year plus a good showing from CLC will have Ferrari putting MS in the car.

ralphrj

3,034 posts

151 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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mk1coopers said:
ajprice said:
Mick is officially announced as Ferrari Academy https://wtf1.com/post/mick-schumacher-has-joined-t...
SV better pull his socks up then as another poor year plus a good showing from CLC will have Ferrari putting MS in the car.
Irrespective of how good/poor Vettel performs in 2019 there is very little chance that Mick Schumacher will be promoted straight to a Ferrari drive. It isn't in either his or the teams interest to rush his career. Ferrari can easily sign him on a contract and loan him to Haas or Sauber for a year to cut his teeth.

The only vaguely remote possibility that could force Ferrari to promote Mick to the team early is if Mercedes were to be offering Mick a race seat at the expense of Hamilton (no point going there when it is Hamilton's team) or Hamilton suddenly retiring. I don't see either possibility as very likely.

DS240

3,396 posts

178 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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Sa Calobra said:
What will you do next? Shout at an actor for being a bd due to a character he played in East Enders?
Apparently there are some people who do, which is worrying!


HustleRussell

18,629 posts

120 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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Contract Killer said:
I wonder how long until he is fed up with the media.

I can guarantee the first question from any interview will be, "how is your dad doing".......
Except I’ve already seen him interviewed at an F1 race weekend and he wasn’t asked that question because of... you know... common decency.

HustleRussell

18,629 posts

120 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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mk1coopers said:
SV better pull his socks up then as another poor year plus a good showing from CLC will have Ferrari putting MS in the car.
Let’s not go nuts, this is Ferrari- the team which is famously conservative with its driver selections. LeClerc is a blip because of Marchionne.

MiniMan64

13,025 posts

150 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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HustleRussell said:
Let’s not go nuts, this is Ferrari- the team which is famously conservative with its driver selections. LeClerc is a blip because of Marchionne.
Yeah and look where it's got them since Michael was behind the wheel.

HustleRussell

18,629 posts

120 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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MiniMan64 said:
HustleRussell said:
Let’s not go nuts, this is Ferrari- the team which is famously conservative with its driver selections. LeClerc is a blip because of Marchionne.
Yeah and look where it's got them since Michael was behind the wheel.
Schumacher was also a conservative choice

LaurasOtherHalf

18,457 posts

156 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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Let's not get ahead of ourselves, LEC still has to prove himself against VET who is quite phenomenal in Qualifying before we even think about the understudy's understudy!

People seem to want to talk up LEC but he really hasn't proven too much in my opinion just yet-that's not to say I don't think he's a fantastic prospect! VET is constantly derided as a driver who can only win from the front and whilst that may have some truth in it, I don't think he get's the respect he deserves in getting himself up to the front.

LEC had some wonderful qualifying performances in '18 but he was doing them under no real pressure and no real competition, he could play jazz with his lines as if it didn't work, would it really matter?

Driving at the thin edge of the wedge however is something completely different as as ling as he's looked after, VET (alongside HAM) is supreme at this. Witness how BOT folded last year under the constant strive for one lap perfection and this is the battle LEC has in front of him.

thegreenhell

7,865 posts

179 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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I read an interesting piece about Leclerc the other day. It was saying that while he's very fast over a lap, he was actually the least consistent driver on the grid last year in terms of stringing together his personal best sectors all in the same lap in qualifying. Vettel was the most consistent in this regard.

LaurasOtherHalf

18,457 posts

156 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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thegreenhell said:
I read an interesting piece about Leclerc the other day. It was saying that while he's very fast over a lap, he was actually the least consistent driver on the grid last year in terms of stringing together his personal best sectors all in the same lap in qualifying. Vettel was the most consistent in this regard.
Interesting, any link?

This is what I was alluding to-I think it was Gary Anderson who commented about LEC's inconsistencies during a hot lap. As I said, he didn't have much to lose during '18 but he's going to look poor very quickly next to VET's metronomic skill if he keeps it up.

If he needs a few races to get around to this way of performing, how many will he be given?

I think VET's demise may be vastly overstated at the moment.

thegreenhell

7,865 posts

179 months

Muzzer79

3,980 posts

147 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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mk1coopers said:
ajprice said:
Mick is officially announced as Ferrari Academy https://wtf1.com/post/mick-schumacher-has-joined-t...
SV better pull his socks up then as another poor year plus a good showing from CLC will have Ferrari putting MS in the car.
Not. Going. To. Happen

The last time Ferrari had either of their drivers not being a current or former WDC was in 2007 when Kimi partnered Massa. I think he was a good bet to do well though.

Before that you’d have to go back to Berger and Alesi in the 90’s

A top team simply will not have a rookie and a driver with 2 seasons under him, least of all Ferrari.

Good as his first season was, LeClerc has done precisely nothing yet. He could very well be another Alesi.

Much as I dislike him, Vettel is going nowhere unless one of the other big hitters (Hamilton, Verstappen) takes his place or he does a Rosberg.

Bo_apex

1,263 posts

178 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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Muzzer79 said:
Not. Going. To. Happen

The last time Ferrari had either of their drivers not being a current or former WDC was in 2007 when Kimi partnered Massa. I think he was a good bet to do well though.

Before that you’d have to go back to Berger and Alesi in the 90’s

A top team simply will not have a rookie and a driver with 2 seasons under him, least of all Ferrari.

Good as his first season was, LeClerc has done precisely nothing yet. He could very well be another Alesi.

Much as I dislike him, Vettel is going nowhere unless one of the other big hitters (Hamilton, Verstappen) takes his place or he does a Rosberg.
Alesi's problem was the car and team management.
No doubting his talent and sticking it up the inside of Senna.

We just don't know how LeClerc will stack up with Italy's national team.
Vettel may feel like doing something new in 2020 but should still be leading LeClerc this season.





FourWheelDrift

81,131 posts

244 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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Mick Schumacher beat Vettel at the Race of Champions yesterday when they met in the heats.

Muzzer79

3,980 posts

147 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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FourWheelDrift said:
Mick Schumacher beat Vettel at the Race of Champions yesterday when they met in the heats.
Esteban Gutierrez beat Mick Schumacher at the Race of Champions yesterday in the subsequent round.

FourWheelDrift

81,131 posts

244 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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So Gutierrez > Schumacher Jnr > Vettel.

Which must make Grosjean a driving god. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Formula_One_Wor...

Muzzer79

3,980 posts

147 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2019
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Wait! Stop!

Pastor Maldonado is officially better than them all by virtue of this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_United_States_G...

hehe

mk1coopers

393 posts

112 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2019
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ralphrj said:
mk1coopers said:
ajprice said:
Mick is officially announced as Ferrari Academy https://wtf1.com/post/mick-schumacher-has-joined-t...
SV better pull his socks up then as another poor year plus a good showing from CLC will have Ferrari putting MS in the car.
Irrespective of how good/poor Vettel performs in 2019 there is very little chance that Mick Schumacher will be promoted straight to a Ferrari drive. It isn't in either his or the teams interest to rush his career. Ferrari can easily sign him on a contract and loan him to Haas or Sauber for a year to cut his teeth.

The only vaguely remote possibility that could force Ferrari to promote Mick to the team early is if Mercedes were to be offering Mick a race seat at the expense of Hamilton (no point going there when it is Hamilton's team) or Hamilton suddenly retiring. I don't see either possibility as very likely.
I've not said 2020, just that if CLC performs well and that MS also performs there's a possibility that SV may get replaced by MS (at some point)

TobyTR

923 posts

106 months

Sunday 31st March 2019
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So as the majority thought on this thread, Leclerc is very much the real deal and not overrated/hyped up hehe

what a class act.

imo, in overall potential he's better than Max... MV reminds me of another Juan Pablo Montoya - blistering lap pace but wild

37chevy

3,280 posts

116 months

Sunday 31st March 2019
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TobyTR said:
So as the majority thought on this thread, Leclerc is very much the real deal and not overrated/hyped up hehe

what a class act.

imo, in overall potential he's better than Max... MV reminds me of another Juan Pablo Montoya - blistering lap pace but wild
Don’t think there’s much doubt, he’s as good as max, without the attitude