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Also spotted on Motorsport magazine this week... https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single...
“We’re planning to drop anchor at Williams and earn all of our success with Williams."
“I think that Claire [Williams] is determined to restore Williams to its former glory. When we combine forces together, we can conquer the world.”
“We’re planning to drop anchor at Williams and earn all of our success with Williams."
“I think that Claire [Williams] is determined to restore Williams to its former glory. When we combine forces together, we can conquer the world.”
thegreenhell said:
Also spotted on Motorsport magazine this week... https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single...
“We’re planning to drop anchor at Williams and earn all of our success with Williams."
“I think that Claire [Williams] is determined to restore Williams to its former glory. When we combine forces together, we can conquer the world.”
For a team that’s actively looking for funding and contemplating a sale, the arrival of Adams might seem to be the answer that it has been praying for. However, he recently told Motor Sport that he was not looking to invest at the moment.“We’re planning to drop anchor at Williams and earn all of our success with Williams."
“I think that Claire [Williams] is determined to restore Williams to its former glory. When we combine forces together, we can conquer the world.”
... a little investment might help with the world conquering ambitions
Williams are a tremendous asset for anyone to buy into going forward.
Think of Mclaren. They had no real success in F1 under Bruce Mclaren but following his loss they kept the name
and later won titles with the mclaren name.
Williams have shed load of titles won by Williams himself and I think are the 3rd most successful team ever in F1.
Anyone buying in will keep that name as otherwise how can you reference your history?
I would think the family will have some percentage of a stake in the team in any future even if its a minority stake.
Only the most narcassistic of billionares would change the name to their own obscure moniker.
Think of Mclaren. They had no real success in F1 under Bruce Mclaren but following his loss they kept the name
and later won titles with the mclaren name.
Williams have shed load of titles won by Williams himself and I think are the 3rd most successful team ever in F1.
Anyone buying in will keep that name as otherwise how can you reference your history?
I would think the family will have some percentage of a stake in the team in any future even if its a minority stake.
Only the most narcassistic of billionares would change the name to their own obscure moniker.
Fundoreen said:
Williams are a tremendous asset for anyone to buy into going forward.
Think of Mclaren. They had no real success in F1 under Bruce Mclaren but following his loss they kept the name
and later won titles with the mclaren name.
Williams have shed load of titles won by Williams himself and I think are the 3rd most successful team ever in F1.
Anyone buying in will keep that name as otherwise how can you reference your history?
I would think the family will have some percentage of a stake in the team in any future even if its a minority stake.
Only the most narcassistic of billionares would change the name to their own obscure moniker.
Sure there is potential value for a new majority owner to keep the name and the history. But it would take a big initial and then continued stream of investment to get the team back up towards the top and maintain that performance for long enough to get serious big money sponsors back.Think of Mclaren. They had no real success in F1 under Bruce Mclaren but following his loss they kept the name
and later won titles with the mclaren name.
Williams have shed load of titles won by Williams himself and I think are the 3rd most successful team ever in F1.
Anyone buying in will keep that name as otherwise how can you reference your history?
I would think the family will have some percentage of a stake in the team in any future even if its a minority stake.
Only the most narcassistic of billionares would change the name to their own obscure moniker.
Given the financial commitment a new majority owner would be taking on, the value they would actually buy that majority stake for would likely be very low, if anything (depending on current financials). Many teams have changed hands that way.
Fundoreen said:
Think of Mclaren. They had no real success in F1 under Bruce Mclaren but following his loss they kept the name
and later won titles with the mclaren name.
The money was in sportscars in the 60's and that is where Bruce and the team concentrated their efforts as they built the company from scratch. They completely dominated the high paying CanAm sportscar championship before Bruce was killed, the team then put more effort into an F1 biased program and won quickly. If you buy the official McLaren wins book, you will see how they put most effort into sportscar racing initially.and later won titles with the mclaren name.
jsf said:
Fundoreen said:
Think of Mclaren. They had no real success in F1 under Bruce Mclaren but following his loss they kept the name
and later won titles with the mclaren name.
The money was in sportscars in the 60's and that is where Bruce and the team concentrated their efforts as they built the company from scratch. They completely dominated the high paying CanAm sportscar championship before Bruce was killed, the team then put more effort into an F1 biased program and won quickly. If you buy the official McLaren wins book, you will see how they put most effort into sportscar racing initially.and later won titles with the mclaren name.
They didnt change the name to RonDen f1 or anything later though. Rons probably gutted as Brawn F1 did it all in its one and only year.
Fundoreen said:
Williams are a tremendous asset for anyone to buy into going forward.
Think of Mclaren. They had no real success in F1 under Bruce Mclaren but following his loss they kept the name
and later won titles with the mclaren name.
Williams have shed load of titles won by Williams himself and I think are the 3rd most successful team ever in F1.
Anyone buying in will keep that name as otherwise how can you reference your history?
Tyrrell, Lotus and Brabham were all successful teams.Think of Mclaren. They had no real success in F1 under Bruce Mclaren but following his loss they kept the name
and later won titles with the mclaren name.
Williams have shed load of titles won by Williams himself and I think are the 3rd most successful team ever in F1.
Anyone buying in will keep that name as otherwise how can you reference your history?
Fundoreen said:
jsf said:
Fundoreen said:
Think of Mclaren. They had no real success in F1 under Bruce Mclaren but following his loss they kept the name
and later won titles with the mclaren name.
The money was in sportscars in the 60's and that is where Bruce and the team concentrated their efforts as they built the company from scratch. They completely dominated the high paying CanAm sportscar championship before Bruce was killed, the team then put more effort into an F1 biased program and won quickly. If you buy the official McLaren wins book, you will see how they put most effort into sportscar racing initially.and later won titles with the mclaren name.
They didnt change the name to RonDen f1 or anything later though. Rons probably gutted as Brawn F1 did it all in its one and only year.
It wasn't until 14th October 1980 that Ron Dennis had any involvement with McLaren, before then the team had already won two F1 world championships with Fittipaldi and Hunt and also won the Indy 500 twice.
When McLaren and Project Four merged to form McLaren International the deal had Teddy Mayer and Tyler Alexander of the original McLaren team with 50%, Ron Dennis 29%, Creighton Brown 12% and John Barnard 9%.
carl_w said:
Tyrrell, Lotus and Brabham were all successful teams.
The Williams team name is Williams Grand Prix Engineering, a company setup by Frank and Patrick Head.Prior to WGPE, Frank ran a team called Williams Racing, he was always running on a shoestring budget and struggling to stay afloat. The last car he ran as a Williams Racing entrant was the FW05 in 1976, which was a lightly modified 1975 Hesketh 308C, he bought the two defunct team cars with a partner Walter Wolf, they built a 3rd car which was a copy of the Hesketh. Walter put the money up for the season with Frank managing the team until Walter fired him.
It was then that WGPE was formed, their first car was a March 761 which Patrick did some mods on to stiffen the chassis, they then built the FW06 which wasn't anything special, then came the very successful FW07 series.
jsf said:
Fundoreen said:
jsf said:
Fundoreen said:
Think of Mclaren. They had no real success in F1 under Bruce Mclaren but following his loss they kept the name
and later won titles with the mclaren name.
The money was in sportscars in the 60's and that is where Bruce and the team concentrated their efforts as they built the company from scratch. They completely dominated the high paying CanAm sportscar championship before Bruce was killed, the team then put more effort into an F1 biased program and won quickly. If you buy the official McLaren wins book, you will see how they put most effort into sportscar racing initially.and later won titles with the mclaren name.
They didnt change the name to RonDen f1 or anything later though. Rons probably gutted as Brawn F1 did it all in its one and only year.
It wasn't until 14th October 1980 that Ron Dennis had any involvement with McLaren, before then the team had already won two F1 world championships with Fittipaldi and Hunt and also won the Indy 500 twice.
When McLaren and Project Four merged to form McLaren International the deal had Teddy Mayer and Tyler Alexander of the original McLaren team with 50%, Ron Dennis 29%, Creighton Brown 12% and John Barnard 9%.
Can see why CanAm disappeared though. Canada probably had smaller population than london did at the time.
Yes im probably wrong about that stat as well lol.
Fundoreen said:
I must pay more attention. I thought it was quite a good film as well.
Can see why CanAm disappeared though. Canada probably had smaller population than london did at the time.
Yes im probably wrong about that stat as well lol.
The combination of the Porsche 917/30 domination and the energy crisis killed CanAm.Can see why CanAm disappeared though. Canada probably had smaller population than london did at the time.
Yes im probably wrong about that stat as well lol.
Signs of green shoots at Williams today? Ok they are not back where they'd like to be but given the past 2 years it was great to see them actually compete today.
Hopefully tomorrow they can race the Saubers properly, will make a nice change from only racing each other, good to see them take a step forward.
Hopefully tomorrow they can race the Saubers properly, will make a nice change from only racing each other, good to see them take a step forward.
Yup, agreed. Russell just looks the real deal too. Lets hope the race pace doesn't fall apart, be good to see them dicing properly with Haas & Alfa - although it looks like it might take a race or three before Latiffi is up to speed. Or George is just brilliant and Bobby K was actually driving ok last season... 
Petrus1983 said:
I think GR is a great all rounder talent who’s taking things in his stride very well. Hopefully the right car will open up for him - probably at Mercedes replacing Bottas alongside Hamilton, before Hamilton then leaves too.
If they had any sense, AM would ditch Stroll and replace him with Russell next year, but the chances of that happening are exceptionally slim.JonChalk said:
Petrus1983 said:
I think GR is a great all rounder talent who’s taking things in his stride very well. Hopefully the right car will open up for him - probably at Mercedes replacing Bottas alongside Hamilton, before Hamilton then leaves too.
If they had any sense, AM would ditch Stroll and replace him with Russell next year, but the chances of that happening are exceptionally slim.Williams have certainly made progress since last year (as they should), but it's hard to see how that progress compares to the progress the rest of the grid have made - not least now Ferrari's legal yet underwhelming PU has dragged Alfa back around half a second..
However, the net result of that, and Haas's apparent lack of pace, should be that Williams will see some actual racing action at the back this year.
Agreed Russell looks superb. Latifi took a hard lesson yesterday though! Do we know the extent of the damage? Gearbox ok?
However, the net result of that, and Haas's apparent lack of pace, should be that Williams will see some actual racing action at the back this year.
Agreed Russell looks superb. Latifi took a hard lesson yesterday though! Do we know the extent of the damage? Gearbox ok?
Munter said:
There is an F1 released graphic showing the improvements. Williams had the 2nd biggest gain behind racing point.
I dont doubt it really... Although keen to see how this first race goes for them before getting too excited. Is be very happy to see them fighting for places.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff