The Official F1 2020 silly season *contains speculation*

The Official F1 2020 silly season *contains speculation*

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jsf

16,681 posts

190 months

Wednesday 15th January
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HustleRussell said:
Where does that come from anyway? Historically 10 teams is a drought. The sport should certainly strive for more. A greater number of teams would help fill the field spread.
The TV contracts required a minimum number of starters to be 20 cars.

Thats why at the indy farce race the cars started then went into the pits and stopped, they met the contract terms.

HustleRussell

17,748 posts

114 months

Wednesday 15th January
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TheDeuce said:
Wasn't said without a degree of provocation and I didn't label you directly a 'bellend'... wink
You’ll call someone a bellend and then immediately backtrack when challenged? I’m impressed.

TheDeuce

5,161 posts

20 months

Wednesday 15th January
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HustleRussell said:
TheDeuce said:
Wasn't said without a degree of provocation and I didn't label you directly a 'bellend'... wink
You’ll call someone a bellend and then immediately backtrack when challenged? I’m impressed.
No I still meant what I said, as written.. Not back tracked at all.

Just get over it if it bothers you. Someone accused me of acting like a victim earlier which is nonsense, just ignore it - water off a ducks back.

HustleRussell

17,748 posts

114 months

Wednesday 15th January
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TheDeuce said:
HustleRussell said:
TheDeuce said:
Wasn't said without a degree of provocation and I didn't label you directly a 'bellend'... wink
You’ll call someone a bellend and then immediately backtrack when challenged? I’m impressed.
No I still meant what I said, as written.. Not back tracked at all.

Just get over it if it bothers you. Someone accused me of acting like a victim earlier which is nonsense, just ignore it - water off a ducks back.
That was me, and it’s true. I can’t be arsed to trawl back and find an example. If you’re going to try to take the high ground, don’t converse like gutter folk.

MissChief

5,437 posts

122 months

Wednesday 15th January
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jsf said:
HustleRussell said:
Where does that come from anyway? Historically 10 teams is a drought. The sport should certainly strive for more. A greater number of teams would help fill the field spread.
The TV contracts required a minimum number of starters to be 20 cars.

Thats why at the indy farce race the cars started then went into the pits and stopped, they met the contract terms.
There's also an agreement with the teams, FOM and the FIA that if the number of teams drops below 10 then lots should be drawn to force teams to run extra cars. None of the teams want this!

slipstream 1985

6,911 posts

133 months

Thursday 16th January
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MissChief said:
jsf said:
HustleRussell said:
Where does that come from anyway? Historically 10 teams is a drought. The sport should certainly strive for more. A greater number of teams would help fill the field spread.
The TV contracts required a minimum number of starters to be 20 cars.

Thats why at the indy farce race the cars started then went into the pits and stopped, they met the contract terms.
There's also an agreement with the teams, FOM and the FIA that if the number of teams drops below 10 then lots should be drawn to force teams to run extra cars. None of the teams want this!
I want it 3 car teams 30 on the grid would be great.

Evangelion

5,595 posts

132 months

Thursday 16th January
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MissChief said:
... if the number of teams drops below 10 then lots should be drawn to force teams to run extra cars.
If that happens would it be for an entire season, or would there be a draw for each race?

TheDeuce

5,161 posts

20 months

Thursday 16th January
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Evangelion said:
MissChief said:
... if the number of teams drops below 10 then lots should be drawn to force teams to run extra cars.
If that happens would it be for an entire season, or would there be a draw for each race?
And what about points? If Ferrari had a third car each race and they hoiked Kimi back in to it they'd probably beat Mercedes on points for WCC. Or would the points be issued differently in that scenario to balance it fairly somehow?


HTP99

16,328 posts

94 months

Thursday 16th January
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TheDeuce said:
Evangelion said:
MissChief said:
... if the number of teams drops below 10 then lots should be drawn to force teams to run extra cars.
If that happens would it be for an entire season, or would there be a draw for each race?
And what about points? If Ferrari had a third car each race and they hoiked Kimi back in to it they'd probably beat Mercedes on points for WCC. Or would the points be issued differently in that scenario to balance it fairly somehow?
I'm sure I read a while ago when teams running 3 cars had been discussed before that only 2 cars can score constructors points, these 2 are chosen at the start of a season and it stand for the whole of the season but all 3 drivers can collect points for the drivers championship.

TheDeuce

5,161 posts

20 months

Thursday 16th January
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HTP99 said:
TheDeuce said:
Evangelion said:
MissChief said:
... if the number of teams drops below 10 then lots should be drawn to force teams to run extra cars.
If that happens would it be for an entire season, or would there be a draw for each race?
And what about points? If Ferrari had a third car each race and they hoiked Kimi back in to it they'd probably beat Mercedes on points for WCC. Or would the points be issued differently in that scenario to balance it fairly somehow?
I'm sure I read a while ago when teams running 3 cars had been discussed before that only 2 cars can score constructors points, these 2 are chosen at the start of a season and it stand for the whole of the season but all 3 drivers can collect points for the drivers championship.
That would make some sense. Although in my above scenario, it's hard not to imagine Ferrari using Kimi in the third car to screw with their competitors race however possible to allow their other two drivers an advantage.

rdjohn

4,176 posts

149 months

Thursday 16th January
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I am not against the idea of a Rookies Championship, perhaps using year-old cars. Bigger grids make for better races.

But I feel sure the idea for the teams would just mean added expense, for little, or no return. Adding extra races is going to become a logistical and staffing nightmare before long.

Liberty want a bigger and better Circus, the teams want to dedicate all resources on scoring championship points.

MartG

15,964 posts

158 months

Thursday 16th January
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slipstream 1985 said:
MissChief said:
jsf said:
HustleRussell said:
Where does that come from anyway? Historically 10 teams is a drought. The sport should certainly strive for more. A greater number of teams would help fill the field spread.
The TV contracts required a minimum number of starters to be 20 cars.

Thats why at the indy farce race the cars started then went into the pits and stopped, they met the contract terms.
There's also an agreement with the teams, FOM and the FIA that if the number of teams drops below 10 then lots should be drawn to force teams to run extra cars. None of the teams want this!
I want it 3 car teams 30 on the grid would be great.
A suggestion I've made before...

All teams to take a 3rd chassis to every event. During practice sessions the teams nominated reserve driver uses it ( more data for the team, experience for the driver ) but does not take part in qualy. Instead the reserve drivers have a sprint race after main qualy, with start positions based on practice times, and the top 4 finishers join the back of the grid the next day.

Overall gives more cars on track, and an extra race for the fans

kiseca

7,974 posts

173 months

Thursday 16th January
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MartG said:
slipstream 1985 said:
MissChief said:
jsf said:
HustleRussell said:
Where does that come from anyway? Historically 10 teams is a drought. The sport should certainly strive for more. A greater number of teams would help fill the field spread.
The TV contracts required a minimum number of starters to be 20 cars.

Thats why at the indy farce race the cars started then went into the pits and stopped, they met the contract terms.
There's also an agreement with the teams, FOM and the FIA that if the number of teams drops below 10 then lots should be drawn to force teams to run extra cars. None of the teams want this!
I want it 3 car teams 30 on the grid would be great.
A suggestion I've made before...

All teams to take a 3rd chassis to every event. During practice sessions the teams nominated reserve driver uses it ( more data for the team, experience for the driver ) but does not take part in qualy. Instead the reserve drivers have a sprint race after main qualy, with start positions based on practice times, and the top 4 finishers join the back of the grid the next day.

Overall gives more cars on track, and an extra race for the fans
I predict the top teams will pull further away from the rest as the third car, despite starting from the back, will make it into the points and thus take points away from other teams. The third driver will be the best the team can afford, too.

I think they should just bring A1GP back, and run it properly. Best of both worlds. A premier open wheel formula that pitches national drivers and teams against eachother in identical machinery to create a motorsport world cup, and Formula 1 which pitches teams against eachother to find the best team overall and allow the designers and engineers an opportunity to shine.

To me, A1GP was exciting, easy to find a team to support, and didn't feel like watching a proving ground or second tier / stepping stone effort like GP2 or 3.

MissChief

5,437 posts

122 months

Thursday 16th January
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TheDeuce said:
HTP99 said:
TheDeuce said:
Evangelion said:
MissChief said:
... if the number of teams drops below 10 then lots should be drawn to force teams to run extra cars.
If that happens would it be for an entire season, or would there be a draw for each race?
And what about points? If Ferrari had a third car each race and they hoiked Kimi back in to it they'd probably beat Mercedes on points for WCC. Or would the points be issued differently in that scenario to balance it fairly somehow?
I'm sure I read a while ago when teams running 3 cars had been discussed before that only 2 cars can score constructors points, these 2 are chosen at the start of a season and it stand for the whole of the season but all 3 drivers can collect points for the drivers championship.
That would make some sense. Although in my above scenario, it's hard not to imagine Ferrari using Kimi in the third car to screw with their competitors race however possible to allow their other two drivers an advantage.
Last seasons Mercedes would still be quicker than half the field. Makes it rather unfair on the smaller teams!

MartG

15,964 posts

158 months

Thursday 16th January
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kiseca said:
I predict the top teams will pull further away from the rest as the third car, despite starting from the back, will make it into the points and thus take points away from other teams. The third driver will be the best the team can afford, too.
You'd have to exclude the 3rd car from the points, and limit the driver to someone with no prior F1 experience

Graveworm

4,270 posts

25 months

Thursday 16th January
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MartG said:
You'd have to exclude the 3rd car from the points, and limit the driver to someone with no prior F1 experience
Within the 2021 budget caps a massive headache. At the moment it would look like, lots of free testing, and a tactical blocker for competing teams. Gene pool with a super licence is pretty small.

andburg

3,675 posts

123 months

Thursday 16th January
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I'd actually be open to full customer teams being allowed providing they were suitably hamstrung and had to run the car unaided by the supplier.

Would a customer Ferrari ran by HAAS with something like ballast/fuel restrictions and their own independant setup be capable of beating a mclaren given the same budget?

kiseca

7,974 posts

173 months

Thursday 16th January
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andburg said:
I'd actually be open to full customer teams being allowed providing they were suitably hamstrung and had to run the car unaided by the supplier.

Would a customer Ferrari ran by HAAS with something like ballast/fuel restrictions and their own independant setup be capable of beating a mclaren given the same budget?
If it was, then next season the McLaren would also be a Ferrari hehe

DanielSan

14,838 posts

121 months

Friday 17th January
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andburg said:
I'd actually be open to full customer teams being allowed providing they were suitably hamstrung and had to run the car unaided by the supplier.

Would a customer Ferrari ran by HAAS with something like ballast/fuel restrictions and their own independant setup be capable of beating a mclaren given the same budget?
Why would a customer team need to be hamstrung by weight penalties? They'd be a step or 2 behind on updates anyway and still have to get a handle on the setup of the car themselves. You wouldn't end up with a Ferrari/HAAS 1234 if the Ferrari was the quickest car.

Teddy Lop

2,939 posts

21 months

Friday 17th January
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DanielSan said:
andburg said:
I'd actually be open to full customer teams being allowed providing they were suitably hamstrung and had to run the car unaided by the supplier.

Would a customer Ferrari ran by HAAS with something like ballast/fuel restrictions and their own independant setup be capable of beating a mclaren given the same budget?
Why would a customer team need to be hamstrung by weight penalties? They'd be a step or 2 behind on updates anyway and still have to get a handle on the setup of the car themselves. You wouldn't end up with a Ferrari/HAAS 1234 if the Ferrari was the quickest car.
yeah I dunno about weight penalties, although while you'd expect the manufacturer teams to all beat their customer teams due to budget alone (or they deserve to look silly) I guess if you allowed customer teams today you with it being so close you run the risk that if some rocked up with say the '14 merc, you might have Mercedes 1-2 , merc c team 3-4 , other merc c team fighting the other manufacturers for 5th down or some permutation of.