The Official F1 2020 silly season *contains speculation*

The Official F1 2020 silly season *contains speculation*

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janesmith1950

8,533 posts

53 months

Friday 17th January
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If you rocked up last season with a 2014 Merc you'd be getting lapped at some tracks by Williams.

AJB88

6,374 posts

129 months

Friday 17th January
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janesmith1950 said:
If you rocked up last season with a 2014 Merc you'd be getting lapped at some tracks by Williams.
Agreed, 2014 Mercedes did a 1.39.176 at Silverstone during the race, 2019 1.25.093 during the race, both with Lewis at the wheel.

Teddy Lop

3,688 posts

25 months

Friday 17th January
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AJB88 said:
janesmith1950 said:
If you rocked up last season with a 2014 Merc you'd be getting lapped at some tracks by Williams.
Agreed, 2014 Mercedes did a 1.39.176 at Silverstone during the race, 2019 1.25.093 during the race, both with Lewis at the wheel.
Did you really think I meant a 2014 Merc in 2019?rolleyes

janesmith1950

8,533 posts

53 months

Friday 17th January
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Teddy Lop said:
Did you really think I meant a 2014 Merc in 2019?rolleyes
Yes, because that's what you wrote. Unless you have a habit of accidentally writing things you don't mean?

andburg

4,012 posts

127 months

Friday 17th January
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Teddy Lop said:
DanielSan said:
andburg said:
I'd actually be open to full customer teams being allowed providing they were suitably hamstrung and had to run the car unaided by the supplier.

Would a customer Ferrari ran by HAAS with something like ballast/fuel restrictions and their own independant setup be capable of beating a mclaren given the same budget?
Why would a customer team need to be hamstrung by weight penalties? They'd be a step or 2 behind on updates anyway and still have to get a handle on the setup of the car themselves. You wouldn't end up with a Ferrari/HAAS 1234 if the Ferrari was the quickest car.
yeah I dunno about weight penalties, although while you'd expect the manufacturer teams to all beat their customer teams due to budget alone (or they deserve to look silly) I guess if you allowed customer teams today you with it being so close you run the risk that if some rocked up with say the '14 merc, you might have Mercedes 1-2 , merc c team 3-4 , other merc c team fighting the other manufacturers for 5th down or some permutation of.
Isn't that sort of the point though it would be closer.
given this year and how close Merc/Ferrari were and applying that logic, you'd have Ferrari based teams fighting with each of those and Red Bull not far behind.

Renault/McLaren would be the awkward ones as they might not be fast enough on merit alone to be ahead of the customer cars.

maybe a lower budget for customer teams and/or include driver salary as they don't have to develop a car so they would have to balance car aginst driver.

Its not happening anyway.


LaurasOtherHalf

18,207 posts

154 months

Friday 17th January
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Even if they were allowed to sell last year’s car to a privateer team (which in principle I agree with) would any of the big teams do it?

I can’t imagine any of them wanting their secrets found out.

Deesee

4,567 posts

41 months

Friday 17th January
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Even if they were allowed to sell last year’s car to a privateer team (which in principle I agree with) would any of the big teams do it?

I can’t imagine any of them wanting their secrets found out.
100% on the secrets, KIV Ferrari are basing this yrs car partially on the SF71 (2018!), and are reportedly dialling back the power, Merc are going with a more Ferrari style SF72 aero concept (by the look of the side pods), and balancing the engine symmetrically, and if reports are correct have found more race power on the dyno...

If I was a privateer, just how much would a rival team offer to want to even make a scale model of someone else's car to put in the wind tunnel, let alone a real one to be 'plugged into'.

Deesee

4,567 posts

41 months

Friday 17th January
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Merc to (shortly) announce 2 yr extension for Hamilton till 2020.

45mill pa.

Wohh 2022 sorry!..

Edited by Deesee on Friday 17th January 13:02

HTP99

17,164 posts

98 months

Friday 17th January
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Deesee said:
Merc to (shortly) announce 2 yr extension for Hamilton till 2020.

45mill pa.
Did you mean 2022?

Deesee

4,567 posts

41 months

Friday 17th January
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HTP99 said:
Deesee said:
Merc to (shortly) announce 2 yr extension for Hamilton till 2020.

45mill pa.
Did you mean 2022?
Yes clearly have lost two yrs mentally hehe

LaurasOtherHalf

18,207 posts

154 months

Friday 17th January
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Deesee said:
Merc to (shortly) announce 2 yr extension for Hamilton till 2020.

45mill pa.

Wohh 2022 sorry!..

Edited by Deesee on Friday 17th January 13:02
Would that represent a pay cut (financially if not commercially with image rights etc)?

JonChalk

3,557 posts

68 months

Friday 17th January
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Deesee said:
Merc to (shortly) announce 2 yr extension for Hamilton till 2020.

45mill pa.

Wohh 2022 sorry!..

Edited by Deesee on Friday 17th January 13:02
How long was Bottas's contract extended by? Was it just 2020?

So Russell endures another year at Williams, partners Hamilton for 2 years?

Deesee

4,567 posts

41 months

Friday 17th January
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Deesee said:
Merc to (shortly) announce 2 yr extension for Hamilton till 2020.

45mill pa.

Wohh 2022 sorry!..

Edited by Deesee on Friday 17th January 13:02
Would that represent a pay cut (financially if not commercially with image rights etc)?
Thats the ‘new’ basic with WCC, image rights from Merc included, external image rights seperate.


Deesee

4,567 posts

41 months

Friday 17th January
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JonChalk said:
Deesee said:
Merc to (shortly) announce 2 yr extension for Hamilton till 2020.

45mill pa.

Wohh 2022 sorry!..

Edited by Deesee on Friday 17th January 13:02
How long was Bottas's contract extended by? Was it just 2020?

So Russell endures another year at Williams, partners Hamilton for 2 years?
Just 2020

Max turned down 2019/2020 wink (yep)

If Merc are still in after 2021...

Bottas on a 1 yr contract

ajprice

18,884 posts

154 months

Monday 20th January
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Latifi's race number will be 6.


andburg

4,012 posts

127 months

Tuesday 28th January
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Interesting thought but assuming merc remain in F1, does vettel jump ship over with a big pay cut?

german car, german driver who gets on with Lewis through mutual respect

Surely lets face it Ferrari have shown their intentions and he wont be going back to RBR alongside Max.
Gives merc a big name with experience in case Lewis decides against continuing and a bargaining chip to lower Lewis' salary demands. Could be a hell of a driver pairing if it worked.

North West Tom

10,950 posts

135 months

Tuesday 28th January
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andburg said:
Interesting thought but assuming merc remain in F1, does vettel jump ship over with a big pay cut?

german car, german driver who gets on with Lewis through mutual respect

Surely lets face it Ferrari have shown their intentions and he wont be going back to RBR alongside Max.
Gives merc a big name with experience in case Lewis decides against continuing and a bargaining chip to lower Lewis' salary demands. Could be a hell of a driver pairing if it worked.
Lewis and Seb in the same team would definitely not 'get on'.

vaud

Original Poster:

37,797 posts

113 months

Tuesday 28th January
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Merc have been consistently clear that they will not return to a dual #1 driver setup (I know some would say that they aren't equal, etc but they have got 10 titles between them...)

Nico/Lewis took far too much management time and energy to manage.

TheDeuce

7,339 posts

24 months

Tuesday 28th January
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North West Tom said:
andburg said:
Interesting thought but assuming merc remain in F1, does vettel jump ship over with a big pay cut?

german car, german driver who gets on with Lewis through mutual respect

Surely lets face it Ferrari have shown their intentions and he wont be going back to RBR alongside Max.
Gives merc a big name with experience in case Lewis decides against continuing and a bargaining chip to lower Lewis' salary demands. Could be a hell of a driver pairing if it worked.
Lewis and Seb in the same team would definitely not 'get on'.
Also, pairing the driver least likely to cope with the pressure with the most composed driver on the grid...? I like seb but Lewis would get in his head race one and the rest of the season would be seb losing points trying to battle Lewis and spinning off, or crashing in to.. whoever..

Mercedes want no part of that driver pairing, I'm sure of it biggrin

vaud

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37,797 posts

113 months

Monday 3rd February
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[url]https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.aitken-leaves-renault-reserve-driver-role.tBYORU9uPVhQkeE5kndk5.html[/url

Jack Aitken leaves Renault reserve driver role