The Official F1 2020 silly season *contains speculation*

The Official F1 2020 silly season *contains speculation*

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HTP99

14,663 posts

84 months

Saturday 10th August
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Pooh said:
How about replacing Gasly with Alonso, I am sure he would do a better job of getting points and it would be interesting to see how he compares to MAX?
I get the impression that Honda wouldn't be so keen!

768

4,731 posts

40 months

Saturday 10th August
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It'd be fascinating. I'm not sure Alonso's interested in coming back at all though and even if he is I'm not sure he'd land at Red Bull. I wonder if he'd have a chance at Bottas' seat.

Poppiecock

405 posts

2 months

Saturday 10th August
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768 said:
It'd be fascinating. I'm not sure Alonso's interested in coming back at all though and even if he is I'm not sure he'd land at Red Bull. I wonder if he'd have a chance at Bottas' seat.
For all Hamilton's claims that he'll have anyone in the 2nd seat alongside him - he'd throw all his toys out of the pram if this happened. So it won't, as Toto isn't stupid. To keep Hamilton winning, you keep him happy - and that means not giving him a team-mate who can beat him consistently and get into his head.

Teddy Lop

1,494 posts

11 months

Saturday 10th August
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Poppiecock said:
768 said:
It'd be fascinating. I'm not sure Alonso's interested in coming back at all though and even if he is I'm not sure he'd land at Red Bull. I wonder if he'd have a chance at Bottas' seat.
For all Hamilton's claims that he'll have anyone in the 2nd seat alongside him - he'd throw all his toys out of the pram if this happened. So it won't, as Toto isn't stupid. To keep Hamilton winning, you keep him happy - and that means not giving him a team-mate who can beat him consistently and get into his head.
+1.

For all the maturity and respect they have today it'd be like dating an old ex who was mad fun but psycho.

Alonsos best shot at a good drive in F1 is to play the long game and have a kid, jnrs seem to be all the rage.

HighwayStar

2,478 posts

88 months

Saturday 10th August
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Poppiecock said:
768 said:
It'd be fascinating. I'm not sure Alonso's interested in coming back at all though and even if he is I'm not sure he'd land at Red Bull. I wonder if he'd have a chance at Bottas' seat.
For all Hamilton's claims that he'll have anyone in the 2nd seat alongside him - he'd throw all his toys out of the pram if this happened. So it won't, as Toto isn't stupid. To keep Hamilton winning, you keep him happy - and that means not giving him a team-mate who can beat him consistently and get into his head.
Ballocks... IMO wink

The Moose

18,353 posts

153 months

Saturday 10th August
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ghost83 said:
vettel has been pictured having lunch at redbull just to spice things up too
He's being doing that for quite some time. I think Red Bull is his personal and mental safe space.

Muzzer79

2,801 posts

131 months

Saturday 10th August
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Pooh said:
How about replacing Gasly with Alonso, I am sure he would do a better job of getting points and it would be interesting to see how he compares to MAX?
Because he’s yesterday’s man?

If Alonso still had it, he’d be in a top six car this year, not picking up scraps from others

mattikake

4,674 posts

143 months

Saturday 10th August
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Poppiecock said:
For all Hamilton's claims that he'll have anyone in the 2nd seat alongside him - he'd throw all his toys out of the pram if this happened. So it won't, as Toto isn't stupid. To keep Hamilton winning, you keep him happy - and that means not giving him a team-mate who can beat him consistently and get into his head.
Hmm... Is that why you chose the username you have?

ajprice

16,328 posts

140 months

Saturday 10th August
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The Moose said:
ghost83 said:
vettel has been pictured having lunch at redbull just to spice things up too
He's being doing that for quite some time. I think Red Bull is his personal and mental safe space.
Seb 'Linus' Vettel? hehe


Ferrari isn't working out for him, like it didn't work out for Alonso.

Poppiecock

405 posts

2 months

Saturday 10th August
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mattikake said:
Hmm... Is that why you chose the username you have?
I know the Hamilton duvet set fans won’t agree, but he does have a history of losing his edge when pressured by team mates or if the car is underperforming.

sandman77

1,563 posts

82 months

Saturday 10th August
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HighwayStar said:
Ballocks... IMO wink
Are you new to F1. There is absolutely zero chance that Hamilton and Alonso will ever be teammates again after the disasterous time they had together at mclaren. They absolutely hated each other.

mattikake

4,674 posts

143 months

Saturday 10th August
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Poppiecock said:
I know the Hamilton duvet set fans won’t agree, but he does have a history of losing his edge when pressured by team mates or if the car is underperforming.
Losing his edge when pushed by a team mate? Last I knew the only issue he had with that was that period when his relationship with schertzinger was on the rocks.

All i've seen is when you force Hamilton to compete, you can't win. When he's not forced to compete he drives at about 95% and while he still can come out on top over team mates, he's not on fire. That's why he rarely wins races after winning a wdc - competition is over, back to 95% cruise mode. Or why he often has starts to a season where a team mate gets better results... until mid-season when he realises he has to compete and then he puts them to bed with a winning streak.

It's like the "revitalised" bottas at the start of this year. No chance. It was Hamilton is casual mode.



Evangelion

5,116 posts

122 months

Saturday 10th August
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sandman77 said:
Are you new to F1. There is absolutely zero chance that Hamilton and Alonso will ever be teammates again after the disasterous time they had together at mclaren. They absolutely hated each other.
That and the fact that Shamilton wouldn't see which way Alonso went.

Edited by Evangelion on Saturday 10th August 19:17

Vaud

Original Poster:

32,862 posts

99 months

Saturday 10th August
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sandman77 said:
Are you new to F1. There is absolutely zero chance that Hamilton and Alonso will ever be teammates again after the disasterous time they had together at mclaren. They absolutely hated each other.
There is 0% chance Mercedes will risk another Lewis-Nico situation. They have stated so publicly and I chatted to one of the Mercedes director who was equally adamant in private.

It was too destructive, consumed too much management bandwidth to manage, and frankly they don't need Alonso, they don't lack someone who can mount a championship campaign.

They do need a long term stable partner for Hamilton and some options for the future.

Pooh

3,145 posts

197 months

Saturday 10th August
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Muzzer79 said:
Pooh said:
How about replacing Gasly with Alonso, I am sure he would do a better job of getting points and it would be interesting to see how he compares to MAX?
Because he’s yesterday’s man?

If Alonso still had it, he’d be in a top six car this year, not picking up scraps from others
I still think he would probably pick up more points than Gasly over the second half of the season and I am not suggesting that they should take him on for next year.

HighwayStar

2,478 posts

88 months

Saturday 10th August
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sandman77 said:
HighwayStar said:
Ballocks... IMO wink
Are you new to F1. There is absolutely zero chance that Hamilton and Alonso will ever be teammates again after the disasterous time they had together at mclaren. They absolutely hated each other.
Very presumptuous of you Sandman. I’ve been watching F1 since the early 70s.
My response was re Lewis throwing his toys out the pram. Yes he did re Rosberg. Some saw that as Lewis losing it because Rosberg was beating him-incidentally how does that sit with those saying his team mate isn’t allowed to beat or race him?
The way I saw that as Lewis is competitive. He doesn’t like losing. None of them do. Mercedes for whatever reason swapped his garage with Rosberg, followed with big reliability issues. There’s one think losing to a team mate when it’s all on the track, you compete and lose. Trying to fight and hamstrung by reliability must be frustrating. Hats off to Rosberg, he took himself to a place he’d never been and didn’t want to again and deserved his championship. If Lewis hadn’t lost an engine while in the lead it wouldn’t have happened for Rosberg.
Lewis and Alonso do not hate each other, they speak very highly or each other, huge respect but. Put two drivers capable of winning the a title in the same team in a car capable of delivering it and see what you get.
Mansell & Pique, Prost & Senna, Vettel & Webber, Max & DRic, Hamilton & Rosberg... they all fought, broke out the mind games, psychological warfare. Winners aren’t happy losers, especially when competing is out of their hands. Look at the bhing Max did when his car kept breaking, and he wasn’t even fighting for a WDC.
Bottas has beaten Lewis to poles and won races and Lewis has been very gracious. He drove brilliantly, better than me today, deserved the win etc.. let’s ignore that though because it doesn’t fit with Lewis does nothing but moan eh.
All IMO of course.
So there you go, far from new to F1 but I tend to look at the bigger picture wink

ghost83

3,127 posts

134 months

Saturday 10th August
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The Moose said:
He's being doing that for quite some time. I think Red Bull is his personal and mental safe space.
Yeah you wouldn’t be doing that if there weren’t talks going on! I don’t think Ferrari would be very happy with it and when vettel left I think initially redbull were quite pissed that he left! So I see him heading back there if anything! Think the lifestyle suited him more

HTP99

14,663 posts

84 months

Saturday 10th August
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ghost83 said:
The Moose said:
He's being doing that for quite some time. I think Red Bull is his personal and mental safe space.
Yeah you wouldn’t be doing that if there weren’t talks going on! I don’t think Ferrari would be very happy with it and when vettel left I think initially redbull were quite pissed that he left! So I see him heading back there if anything! Think the lifestyle suited him more
As far as I can gather, Vettel hanging around RedBull has always been a thing, I seem to recall it being mentioned by the Sky and C4 team a few times and even being mentioned last year.

Personally I don't read anything into it.

MartG

14,423 posts

148 months

Saturday 10th August
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ghost83 said:
The Moose said:
He's being doing that for quite some time. I think Red Bull is his personal and mental safe space.
Yeah you wouldn’t be doing that if there weren’t talks going on! I don’t think Ferrari would be very happy with it and when vettel left I think initially redbull were quite pissed that he left! So I see him heading back there if anything! Think the lifestyle suited him more
Maybe he just prefers the menu at Red Bull biggrin

Europa1

8,594 posts

132 months

Saturday 10th August
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Evangelion said:
That and the fact that Shamilton wouldn't see which way Alonso went.

Edited by Evangelion on Saturday 10th August 19:17
Why do you call him Shamilton?

I must just remind myself how Hamilton compared against Alonso that year they were in the same team...