Gasley - What's gone wrong?
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rev-erend said:
I am pretty sure DR left Red Bull as he was being made to play the no.2 driver slot behind Max.
Some of the DNF's looked not like a deliberate sabotage of his car but for sure getting 2nd best.
He has admitted that Baku last year was the catalyst. He felt he got too much flack for running into Max and that Max should have got a more equal share of the blame.Some of the DNF's looked not like a deliberate sabotage of his car but for sure getting 2nd best.
95 fiesta si said:
Wow, when did that happen ?Vaud said:
RemarkLima said:
I'm not sure why people are saying this, seen it commented a few times, but given Kvyat has had his chance, seems like a case of doing the same thing and expecting different results!
So why did they give him the Torro Rosso seat? They saw that he had matured with time out?
RemarkLima said:
I'd assumed that the Torro Rosso seat was a lump of cold hard cash... And no one else in the wings ready... Maybe a cynical view?
No I think you're right, they don't have any other drivers ready because of the way Helmut Marko drops drivers on a whim. I'm really not a fan of the way he goes about things and in my opinion the only reason he still has a role because he's Dietrich Mateschitz's mate.entropy said:
rev-erend said:
I am pretty sure DR left Red Bull as he was being made to play the no.2 driver slot behind Max.
Some of the DNF's looked not like a deliberate sabotage of his car but for sure getting 2nd best.
He has admitted that Baku last year was the catalyst. He felt he got too much flack for running into Max and that Max should have got a more equal share of the blame.Some of the DNF's looked not like a deliberate sabotage of his car but for sure getting 2nd best.
It's the +30m Renault contact that lured DR away front RB.
Clockwork Cupcake said:
DeltonaS said:
All these melodramatic story's.
It's the +30m Renault contact that lured DR away front RB.
Drivers aren't motivated purely by money. If you think they are then you don't understand racing drivers.It's the +30m Renault contact that lured DR away front RB.
I expect however the £30m is a small factor as it's a safety net. Each time a driver makes a decision to stay/remain they irreversibly alter their career path, and the wrong decision could in hindsight remove any possibility of their ultimate goal, to become a WDC. I imagine that when considering a move that may not work out for your career in the long term, it's nice to know that even if does result in never having the chance to excel again, you can at least retire and pay for whatever your other passions/distractions are without ever having to worry about money again.
There is plenty of debate about how much money a person needs to 'not worry about money' ever again, but I think anyone with £30m+ as a starting point should be able to scrape by if their not a complete lunatic.
Even by DR's already successful standards, £30m is a lot. On some level it must be easier to take a gamble on whatever Renault promised if he knew that at absolute worst, he would be set for life. As opposed to other drivers who have surely taken gambles, not ended up with the car they expected, not made a small fortune and in the end exited the sport a couple of years later.
768 said:
I wonder how much of that 30m he sees after taxes and costs. Enough, I'm sure, I suppose he probably has fixed costs (do they cover their own physios, etc?) which don't increase with the move to Renault.
I imagine he will live in a tax haven, have the best tax accountants and be using loopholes only available to the mega rich. As would I if I had that kind of money. I would imagine Renault are picking up the tab for everything else. Transport. Physio, etc. Although I believe he has a bit of a legal battle ongoing with his old management company as they want a piece of the pie from the Renault deal but DR is saying he sacked them off before the deal and he’s not paying them.
MB140 said:
I imagine he will live in a tax haven, have the best tax accountants and be using loopholes only available to the mega rich. As would I if I had that kind of money.
I would imagine Renault are picking up the tab for everything else. Transport. Physio, etc. Although I believe he has a bit of a legal battle ongoing with his old management company as they want a piece of the pie from the Renault deal but DR is saying he sacked them off before the deal and he’s not paying them.
Also it's surprisingly tough to spend money on a day to day basis. Food and dining is always paid for one way or another, you're always someone else's guest.. clothes given freely in the hope you'll appear wearing them at some stage... Same as watches, sunglasses, cars etc etc etc...I would imagine Renault are picking up the tab for everything else. Transport. Physio, etc. Although I believe he has a bit of a legal battle ongoing with his old management company as they want a piece of the pie from the Renault deal but DR is saying he sacked them off before the deal and he’s not paying them.
I suppose he can buy a couple more houses/ranches but they will generally increase in value anyway.
Yachts, planes and drug habits are expensive. Most other things are either given freely or retain their value
Clockwork Cupcake said:
DeltonaS said:
All these melodramatic story's.
It's the +30m Renault contact that lured DR away front RB.
Drivers aren't motivated purely by money. If you think they are then you don't understand racing drivers.It's the +30m Renault contact that lured DR away front RB.
So no too many choices. He's 30 years old now, Renault offered him +30m. Bye.
TheDeuce said:
MB140 said:
I imagine he will live in a tax haven, have the best tax accountants and be using loopholes only available to the mega rich. As would I if I had that kind of money.
I would imagine Renault are picking up the tab for everything else. Transport. Physio, etc. Although I believe he has a bit of a legal battle ongoing with his old management company as they want a piece of the pie from the Renault deal but DR is saying he sacked them off before the deal and he’s not paying them.
Also it's surprisingly tough to spend money on a day to day basis. Food and dining is always paid for one way or another, you're always someone else's guest.. clothes given freely in the hope you'll appear wearing them at some stage... Same as watches, sunglasses, cars etc etc etc...I would imagine Renault are picking up the tab for everything else. Transport. Physio, etc. Although I believe he has a bit of a legal battle ongoing with his old management company as they want a piece of the pie from the Renault deal but DR is saying he sacked them off before the deal and he’s not paying them.
I suppose he can buy a couple more houses/ranches but they will generally increase in value anyway.
Yachts, planes and drug habits are expensive. Most other things are either given freely or retain their value
IIRC Ricciardo sent a receipt to Christian Horner after Monaco to recoup for a £5.50 sandwich while at Nice airport. That's pretty special
Stan the Bat said:
Jasandjules said:
DeltonaS said:
It's the +30m Renault contact that lured DR away front RB.
I am sure that helped.BUT I suspect if Red Bull treated the drivers the same he would still be there on less money but on Podiums...
How are they not treated the same ?, what do we know from outside ?
Because Ricc. made a risky, late attempt on the inside of Max at Baku when Max initially was already defending his inside which Marko criticized him for internally he's not being treated the same ? RB agreed with the drivers they were both equally wrong there.
Interviews in which Ricc. tries to get back on that are nothing but ego.
And they are treated the same: same car, same quality garage, same treatment in terms of stategy, etc. That's what we know and see.
More realistic is that Ricc. may have felt he wasn't on top anymore with the far younger, attention attracting Max in the other car. Plus the Ferrari seat taken, the new uncertain RB Honda deal and 30m+ at 30 years old sounds like a good deal.
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