Gasley - What's gone wrong?

Gasley - What's gone wrong?

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Petrus1983

3,759 posts

117 months

Wednesday 14th August 2019
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95 fiesta si said:
As expected.

Gasly doing a swap with Albon

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/49317809
Thanks for the update biglaugh

Frimley111R

10,665 posts

189 months

Wednesday 14th August 2019
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glazbagun said:
CoolHands said:
They just want someone to pick up more points than Gasly. I don’t think they need, want or care for the driver to be matching Max. Horner clearly said they want more points from the number 2 to get ahead of Ferrari.
I think Hungary especially showed how much you lose when you don't have a teammate a useful distance from your leader to mess up your rivals. Would Mercedes have dared pit Lewis if it would have him stuck behind Ricciardo and Max when he left the pits? I doubt it- they had nothing to lose as it was.
Agreed. Ferrari and Merc both have very good second tier drivers and RB didn't until now maybe.

entropy

3,831 posts

158 months

Wednesday 14th August 2019
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rev-erend said:
I am pretty sure DR left Red Bull as he was being made to play the no.2 driver slot behind Max.

Some of the DNF's looked not like a deliberate sabotage of his car but for sure getting 2nd best.
He has admitted that Baku last year was the catalyst. He felt he got too much flack for running into Max and that Max should have got a more equal share of the blame.

sparta6

1,832 posts

55 months

Wednesday 14th August 2019
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Frimley111R said:
Agreed. Ferrari and Merc both have very good second tier drivers and RB didn't until now maybe.
I'm certain RB could pass Ferrari on points if Lewis fancied joining Red Bull.
Obviously Mercedes would remain out of reach

Exige77

5,195 posts

146 months

Wednesday 14th August 2019
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95 fiesta si said:
As expected.

Gasly doing a swap with Albon

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/49317809
Wow, when did that happen ?

RemarkLima

852 posts

167 months

Wednesday 14th August 2019
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Vaud said:
RemarkLima said:
I'm not sure why people are saying this, seen it commented a few times, but given Kvyat has had his chance, seems like a case of doing the same thing and expecting different results!
So why did they give him the Torro Rosso seat? They saw that he had matured with time out?
I'd assumed that the Torro Rosso seat was a lump of cold hard cash... And no one else in the wings ready... Maybe a cynical view?

TobyTR

851 posts

101 months

Wednesday 14th August 2019
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I really rate Kyvat, he's been mis-managed by Red Bull in the past, the guy has plenty of talent and speed

95 fiesta si

857 posts

107 months

Thursday 15th August 2019
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Petrus1983 said:
Thanks for the update biglaugh
yep sorry......iam 2 days behind the rest of the world apparently. haven't been following F1 news much this week

themaximus

222 posts

117 months

Thursday 15th August 2019
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RemarkLima said:
I'd assumed that the Torro Rosso seat was a lump of cold hard cash... And no one else in the wings ready... Maybe a cynical view?
No I think you're right, they don't have any other drivers ready because of the way Helmut Marko drops drivers on a whim. I'm really not a fan of the way he goes about things and in my opinion the only reason he still has a role because he's Dietrich Mateschitz's mate.

DeltonaS

2,586 posts

93 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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entropy said:
rev-erend said:
I am pretty sure DR left Red Bull as he was being made to play the no.2 driver slot behind Max.

Some of the DNF's looked not like a deliberate sabotage of his car but for sure getting 2nd best.
He has admitted that Baku last year was the catalyst. He felt he got too much flack for running into Max and that Max should have got a more equal share of the blame.
All these melodramatic story's.

It's the +30m Renault contact that lured DR away front RB.

Clockwork Cupcake

63,721 posts

227 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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DeltonaS said:
All these melodramatic story's.

It's the +30m Renault contact that lured DR away front RB.
Drivers aren't motivated purely by money. If you think they are then you don't understand racing drivers.

TheDeuce

5,705 posts

21 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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Clockwork Cupcake said:
DeltonaS said:
All these melodramatic story's.

It's the +30m Renault contact that lured DR away front RB.
Drivers aren't motivated purely by money. If you think they are then you don't understand racing drivers.
In principal I agree with this - it's a dream job, and virtually the vast majority would do their dream job for £100k pa + expenses if that was the accepted rate.

I expect however the £30m is a small factor as it's a safety net. Each time a driver makes a decision to stay/remain they irreversibly alter their career path, and the wrong decision could in hindsight remove any possibility of their ultimate goal, to become a WDC. I imagine that when considering a move that may not work out for your career in the long term, it's nice to know that even if does result in never having the chance to excel again, you can at least retire and pay for whatever your other passions/distractions are without ever having to worry about money again.

There is plenty of debate about how much money a person needs to 'not worry about money' ever again, but I think anyone with £30m+ as a starting point should be able to scrape by if their not a complete lunatic.

Even by DR's already successful standards, £30m is a lot. On some level it must be easier to take a gamble on whatever Renault promised if he knew that at absolute worst, he would be set for life. As opposed to other drivers who have surely taken gambles, not ended up with the car they expected, not made a small fortune and in the end exited the sport a couple of years later.

768

6,725 posts

51 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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I wonder how much of that 30m he sees after taxes and costs. Enough, I'm sure, I suppose he probably has fixed costs (do they cover their own physios, etc?) which don't increase with the move to Renault.

MB140

2,374 posts

58 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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768 said:
I wonder how much of that 30m he sees after taxes and costs. Enough, I'm sure, I suppose he probably has fixed costs (do they cover their own physios, etc?) which don't increase with the move to Renault.
I imagine he will live in a tax haven, have the best tax accountants and be using loopholes only available to the mega rich. As would I if I had that kind of money.

I would imagine Renault are picking up the tab for everything else. Transport. Physio, etc. Although I believe he has a bit of a legal battle ongoing with his old management company as they want a piece of the pie from the Renault deal but DR is saying he sacked them off before the deal and he’s not paying them.

TheDeuce

5,705 posts

21 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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MB140 said:
I imagine he will live in a tax haven, have the best tax accountants and be using loopholes only available to the mega rich. As would I if I had that kind of money.

I would imagine Renault are picking up the tab for everything else. Transport. Physio, etc. Although I believe he has a bit of a legal battle ongoing with his old management company as they want a piece of the pie from the Renault deal but DR is saying he sacked them off before the deal and he’s not paying them.
Also it's surprisingly tough to spend money on a day to day basis. Food and dining is always paid for one way or another, you're always someone else's guest.. clothes given freely in the hope you'll appear wearing them at some stage... Same as watches, sunglasses, cars etc etc etc...

I suppose he can buy a couple more houses/ranches but they will generally increase in value anyway.

Yachts, planes and drug habits are expensive. Most other things are either given freely or retain their value smile

Jasandjules

64,421 posts

184 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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DeltonaS said:
It's the +30m Renault contact that lured DR away front RB.
I am sure that helped.

BUT I suspect if Red Bull treated the drivers the same he would still be there on less money but on Podiums...

Stan the Bat

5,496 posts

167 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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Jasandjules said:
DeltonaS said:
It's the +30m Renault contact that lured DR away front RB.
I am sure that helped.

BUT I suspect if Red Bull treated the drivers the same he would still be there on less money but on Podiums...
We both suspect the same here. smile

DeltonaS

2,586 posts

93 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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Clockwork Cupcake said:
DeltonaS said:
All these melodramatic story's.

It's the +30m Renault contact that lured DR away front RB.
Drivers aren't motivated purely by money. If you think they are then you don't understand racing drivers.
No, but he hoped either Ferrari or Mercedes picked him up so he could aim for the WDC. Especially Ferrari probably, but they went with LeClerc.

So no too many choices. He's 30 years old now, Renault offered him +30m. Bye.



sparta6

1,832 posts

55 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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TheDeuce said:
MB140 said:
I imagine he will live in a tax haven, have the best tax accountants and be using loopholes only available to the mega rich. As would I if I had that kind of money.

I would imagine Renault are picking up the tab for everything else. Transport. Physio, etc. Although I believe he has a bit of a legal battle ongoing with his old management company as they want a piece of the pie from the Renault deal but DR is saying he sacked them off before the deal and he’s not paying them.
Also it's surprisingly tough to spend money on a day to day basis. Food and dining is always paid for one way or another, you're always someone else's guest.. clothes given freely in the hope you'll appear wearing them at some stage... Same as watches, sunglasses, cars etc etc etc...

I suppose he can buy a couple more houses/ranches but they will generally increase in value anyway.

Yachts, planes and drug habits are expensive. Most other things are either given freely or retain their value smile
You forgot to mention Women - the single most expensive - especially if divorce comes knocking biggrin

IIRC Ricciardo sent a receipt to Christian Horner after Monaco to recoup for a £5.50 sandwich while at Nice airport. That's pretty special biggrin

DeltonaS

2,586 posts

93 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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Stan the Bat said:
Jasandjules said:
DeltonaS said:
It's the +30m Renault contact that lured DR away front RB.
I am sure that helped.

BUT I suspect if Red Bull treated the drivers the same he would still be there on less money but on Podiums...
We both suspect the same here. smile
Sure Horner and Marko patting him on the back ones in a while would've made him stay.

How are they not treated the same ?, what do we know from outside ?

Because Ricc. made a risky, late attempt on the inside of Max at Baku when Max initially was already defending his inside which Marko criticized him for internally he's not being treated the same ? RB agreed with the drivers they were both equally wrong there.

Interviews in which Ricc. tries to get back on that are nothing but ego.

And they are treated the same: same car, same quality garage, same treatment in terms of stategy, etc. That's what we know and see.

More realistic is that Ricc. may have felt he wasn't on top anymore with the far younger, attention attracting Max in the other car. Plus the Ferrari seat taken, the new uncertain RB Honda deal and 30m+ at 30 years old sounds like a good deal.