Fernando Alonso
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angrymoby said:
& as if this thread wasn't Alex Jones enough ...up pops Sparta
If McLaren really were intent on ruining Alonso's WDC chances they'd have bloody made sure he didn't finish in front of Hamilton 5 out of the 7 races post Hungary Quali ...but that doesn't quite fit does it?
Sparta is like a sIf McLaren really were intent on ruining Alonso's WDC chances they'd have bloody made sure he didn't finish in front of Hamilton 5 out of the 7 races post Hungary Quali ...but that doesn't quite fit does it?
t version of Sherlock Holmes."when you have eliminated the possibility Hamilton is just a better driver, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"
Elementary.
ash73 said:
"We were racing Fernando" - Ron Dennis.
& when/ why did Ron say that? ...because he was being accused of sabotaging Hamilton's race in China by the British press lolash73 said:
If they'd supported Alonso, instead of dicking around with his tyre pressures, he could have won every race.
But let's not forget, he dropped it in the wet in Japan. Without that crash, Alonso would be champion.
Alonso was suffering paranoia well before he went off in Japan (& his suspicions about his tyre pressures- ironic really, considering he & de la Rosa's email discussion about Ferrari's pressures ) ...it had kicked in right about the time the rookie was looking to be constantly as quick as him, hence him throwing envelopes stuffed with cash around his side of the garageBut let's not forget, he dropped it in the wet in Japan. Without that crash, Alonso would be champion.
Alonso came unstuck because a: the rookie appeared to be as quick as him b: Flavio wasn't around to give him a cuddle (&/or boot the other driver out, like they did with Trulli) & Alonso wasn't the underdog anymore - expectation is different type of pressure
McLaren hire the most capable driver on the grid, spend millions on that driver and the car itself, and then spend the whole season trying to slow him down so their rookie driver can beat him.
Yeah that sounds like an excellent and very believable business plan from a team with that much experience in winning grand prix
Come on guys. They're not complete idiots.
Yeah that sounds like an excellent and very believable business plan from a team with that much experience in winning grand prix
Come on guys. They're not complete idiots.
kiseca said:
McLaren hire the most capable driver on the grid, spend millions on that driver and the car itself, and then spend the whole season trying to slow him down so their rookie driver can beat him.
Yeah that sounds like an excellent and very believable business plan from a team with that much experience in winning grand prix
Come on guys. They're not complete idiots.
Once the Spanish bank handed over the £££ for Alonso, the TP could do as he pleases..Yeah that sounds like an excellent and very believable business plan from a team with that much experience in winning grand prix
Come on guys. They're not complete idiots.
The British rookie also happened to be Uncle Ron's protege.
kiseca said:
McLaren hire the most capable driver on the grid, spend millions on that driver and the car itself, and then spend the whole season trying to slow him down so their rookie driver can beat him.
Yeah that sounds like an excellent and very believable business plan from a team with that much experience in winning grand prix
Come on guys. They're not complete idiots.
Hamilton was marketing gold, it made sense to back him over Alonso once they knew he was competitive enough. Yeah that sounds like an excellent and very believable business plan from a team with that much experience in winning grand prix
Come on guys. They're not complete idiots.
sparta6 said:
Once the Spanish bank handed over the £££ for Alonso, the TP could do as he pleases..
The British rookie also happened to be Uncle Ron's protege.
The Spanish bank 'sponsored' both Alonso & Hamilton in 2007 ...& so annoyed that their man had been stitched up by Ron, they continued driver sponsorship at Mclaren until 2011The British rookie also happened to be Uncle Ron's protege.
Uncle Ron also gave Fred Räikkönen's mechanics, which were considered the better team (having been previously Häkkinen's) ...again, doesn't really suit the narrative that Fred was being stitched up, does it?
so maybe Fred just wasn't quick enough to ensure Mclaren were fully behind him? ...or maybe he can only win when Uncle Flavio in his corner, giving him a cuddle (along with fixing races to make sure his boy wins)?
angrymoby said:
The Spanish bank 'sponsored' both Alonso & Hamilton in 2007 ...& so annoyed that their man had been stitched up by Ron, they continued driver sponsorship at Mclaren until 2011
Uncle Ron also gave Fred Räikkönen's mechanics, which were considered the better team (having been previously Häkkinen's) ...again, doesn't really suit the narrative that Fred was being stitched up, does it?
so maybe Fred just wasn't quick enough to ensure Mclaren were fully behind him? ...or maybe he can only win when Uncle Flavio in his corner, giving him a cuddle (along with fixing races to make sure his boy wins)?
Your infantilization is very creepy, many of us disagree on how events happened or Alonso's character but we don't take it to the same level of vitriol as you. You are sick. Uncle Ron also gave Fred Räikkönen's mechanics, which were considered the better team (having been previously Häkkinen's) ...again, doesn't really suit the narrative that Fred was being stitched up, does it?
so maybe Fred just wasn't quick enough to ensure Mclaren were fully behind him? ...or maybe he can only win when Uncle Flavio in his corner, giving him a cuddle (along with fixing races to make sure his boy wins)?
angrymoby said:
sparta6 said:
Once the Spanish bank handed over the £££ for Alonso, the TP could do as he pleases..
The British rookie also happened to be Uncle Ron's protege.
The Spanish bank 'sponsored' both Alonso & Hamilton in 2007 ...& so annoyed that their man had been stitched up by Ron, they continued driver sponsorship at Mclaren until 2011The British rookie also happened to be Uncle Ron's protege.
Uncle Ron also gave Fred Räikkönen's mechanics, which were considered the better team (having been previously Häkkinen's) ...again, doesn't really suit the narrative that Fred was being stitched up, does it?
so maybe Fred just wasn't quick enough to ensure Mclaren were fully behind him? ...or maybe he can only win when Uncle Flavio in his corner, giving him a cuddle (along with fixing races to make sure his boy wins)?
There are many factors that can go unsighted in the garage. Bad tyre pressures for Alonso is one of the rare visible ones.
M5-911 said:
sparta6 said:
As others have mentioned, Mercedes paid for Hamilton.
There are many factors that can go unsighted in the garage. Bad tyre pressures for Alonso is one of the rare visible ones.
There are many factors that can go unsighted in the garage. Bad tyre pressures for Alonso is one of the rare visible ones.
However, Alonso and Mclaren not winning in 2007 came down to several factors. Alonso was badly rattled by the speed of his team mate and couldn't handle it (when at Renault, it was common he went out back and kicked massive dents in containers when he was beaten - that is a first hand account from a Renault mechanic); Hamilton the rookie got a little big for his boots and played equal games of his own when he realised he was in for a shout at the WDC; the whole spygate affair; and Ron mismanaging the relationships with, and between, both his drivers. It was a perfect storm and whilst Ron said several times it was a 'nice problem to have' with both drivers in contention for the WDC, he simply didn't manage that situation.
There was no tyre pressure conspiracy. If we all stop being so selective and put together the several well documented pieces written about the season, it's obvious there wasn't and the events of 2007 were down to many factors and many individuals. A multiple WDC and WCC winning team run by a man with a reputation for fairness and sportsmanship, almost to a fault, wilfully sabotaging one of its drivers... come on!
spunkytherabbit said:
People keep quoting the bad tyre pressures saga and deliberate sabotage. This only 'became' a story of that season once Alonso started making comments about it after he realised the spygate threats weren't going to get him favourable treatment. But what happened people seem to forget.... At Mclaren's request, FIA observers were put into the garage of both drivers until the end of the season to ensure fair play and to stop the narrative Alonso was trying to push. I'd love to get on the Alonso bashing band wagon as, as stated in previous posts, time has made me equate spygate mostly with Alonso (I do remind myself others were involved), and that he effectively stabbed a British racing institution in the back makes objectivity difficult.
However, Alonso and Mclaren not winning in 2007 came down to several factors. Alonso was badly rattled by the speed of his team mate and couldn't handle it (when at Renault, it was common he went out back and kicked massive dents in containers when he was beaten - that is a first hand account from a Renault mechanic); Hamilton the rookie got a little big for his boots and played equal games of his own when he realised he was in for a shout at the WDC; the whole spygate affair; and Ron mismanaging the relationships with, and between, both his drivers. It was a perfect storm and whilst Ron said several times it was a 'nice problem to have' with both drivers in contention for the WDC, he simply didn't manage that situation.
There was no tyre pressure conspiracy. If we all stop being so selective and put together the several well documented pieces written about the season, it's obvious there wasn't and the events of 2007 were down to many factors and many individuals. A multiple WDC and WCC winning team run by a man with a reputation for fairness and sportsmanship, almost to a fault, wilfully sabotaging one of its drivers... come on!
Oh, do get over it. The man running the team got over it. However, Alonso and Mclaren not winning in 2007 came down to several factors. Alonso was badly rattled by the speed of his team mate and couldn't handle it (when at Renault, it was common he went out back and kicked massive dents in containers when he was beaten - that is a first hand account from a Renault mechanic); Hamilton the rookie got a little big for his boots and played equal games of his own when he realised he was in for a shout at the WDC; the whole spygate affair; and Ron mismanaging the relationships with, and between, both his drivers. It was a perfect storm and whilst Ron said several times it was a 'nice problem to have' with both drivers in contention for the WDC, he simply didn't manage that situation.
There was no tyre pressure conspiracy. If we all stop being so selective and put together the several well documented pieces written about the season, it's obvious there wasn't and the events of 2007 were down to many factors and many individuals. A multiple WDC and WCC winning team run by a man with a reputation for fairness and sportsmanship, almost to a fault, wilfully sabotaging one of its drivers... come on!
But you must admit, the team's myopic focus on beating Alonso towards the tail end of 2007 is what caused them to lose the WDC with Hamilton beached in the gravel...? If you grant that, then surely there must have been more subtle things going on in the background that wouldn't have helped Alonso either.
It's pretty staggering that Alonso even finished where he did in the final WDC table, racing under a cloud...
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