Fernando Alonso
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DOCG said:
Your infantilization is very creepy, many of us disagree on how events happened or Alonso's character but we don't take it to the same level of vitriol as you. You are sick.
sick of the revisionists, apologists & dullards that's for sureyou've got folk on here posting without any basis, without any witness or any documentation to back up any assertions or conjecture they make
& yet you've FIA reports, accounts from team members, accounts from people who witnessed the actual argument in Hungary, that you'd rather ignore because it doesn't fit your narrative
& because of that, you'd rather get personal
kiseca said:
McLaren hire the most capable driver on the grid, spend millions on that driver and the car itself, and then spend the whole season trying to slow him down so their rookie driver can beat him.
Yeah that sounds like an excellent and very believable business plan from a team with that much experience in winning grand prix
Come on guys. They're not complete idiots.
Thought you was making a prediction about Ricardo and NorrisYeah that sounds like an excellent and very believable business plan from a team with that much experience in winning grand prix
Come on guys. They're not complete idiots.
You can spend all day shouting oo did what to oo but the fact is they backed the wrong horse in the
team and after millions spent they have one title in the last 20 years.
Could have been 3 in a row.
They projected such an elitist and competent image for so long that its a bit of a laugh when you see how badly
the dealt with things and what a sham it was.
Ferrari assembled a top team of schumacher/brawn/todt and they meticulously worked on a winning methodology.
The big ferrari book of procedures then ended up in mclaren hands.
They only get a free pass as they are a british team.
And like in the criminal underworld ,nobody like a grass lol.
team and after millions spent they have one title in the last 20 years.
Could have been 3 in a row.
They projected such an elitist and competent image for so long that its a bit of a laugh when you see how badly
the dealt with things and what a sham it was.
Ferrari assembled a top team of schumacher/brawn/todt and they meticulously worked on a winning methodology.
The big ferrari book of procedures then ended up in mclaren hands.
They only get a free pass as they are a british team.
And like in the criminal underworld ,nobody like a grass lol.
Renault have (finally) an engine with good top end power. But its just top end.
They still lack the low down torque of the Mercedes which allows the Mercedes' cars to reach their terminal velocity a lot quicker. By doing that they can add more downforce and stability to the car to make it much better in the corners.
If Renault are just trimming wing levels for higher top speeds on long straights, they're going to come undone and lose time on twistier tracks.
Best to develop the engine maps, torque character and the car in tandem. We all saw what happened to Ferrari when they threw all their eggs into one basket.....
They still lack the low down torque of the Mercedes which allows the Mercedes' cars to reach their terminal velocity a lot quicker. By doing that they can add more downforce and stability to the car to make it much better in the corners.
If Renault are just trimming wing levels for higher top speeds on long straights, they're going to come undone and lose time on twistier tracks.
Best to develop the engine maps, torque character and the car in tandem. We all saw what happened to Ferrari when they threw all their eggs into one basket.....
Dr Z said:
spunkytherabbit said:
People keep quoting the bad tyre pressures saga and deliberate sabotage. This only 'became' a story of that season once Alonso started making comments about it after he realised the spygate threats weren't going to get him favourable treatment. But what happened people seem to forget.... At Mclaren's request, FIA observers were put into the garage of both drivers until the end of the season to ensure fair play and to stop the narrative Alonso was trying to push. I'd love to get on the Alonso bashing band wagon as, as stated in previous posts, time has made me equate spygate mostly with Alonso (I do remind myself others were involved), and that he effectively stabbed a British racing institution in the back makes objectivity difficult.
However, Alonso and Mclaren not winning in 2007 came down to several factors. Alonso was badly rattled by the speed of his team mate and couldn't handle it (when at Renault, it was common he went out back and kicked massive dents in containers when he was beaten - that is a first hand account from a Renault mechanic); Hamilton the rookie got a little big for his boots and played equal games of his own when he realised he was in for a shout at the WDC; the whole spygate affair; and Ron mismanaging the relationships with, and between, both his drivers. It was a perfect storm and whilst Ron said several times it was a 'nice problem to have' with both drivers in contention for the WDC, he simply didn't manage that situation.
There was no tyre pressure conspiracy. If we all stop being so selective and put together the several well documented pieces written about the season, it's obvious there wasn't and the events of 2007 were down to many factors and many individuals. A multiple WDC and WCC winning team run by a man with a reputation for fairness and sportsmanship, almost to a fault, wilfully sabotaging one of its drivers... come on!
Oh, do get over it. The man running the team got over it. However, Alonso and Mclaren not winning in 2007 came down to several factors. Alonso was badly rattled by the speed of his team mate and couldn't handle it (when at Renault, it was common he went out back and kicked massive dents in containers when he was beaten - that is a first hand account from a Renault mechanic); Hamilton the rookie got a little big for his boots and played equal games of his own when he realised he was in for a shout at the WDC; the whole spygate affair; and Ron mismanaging the relationships with, and between, both his drivers. It was a perfect storm and whilst Ron said several times it was a 'nice problem to have' with both drivers in contention for the WDC, he simply didn't manage that situation.
There was no tyre pressure conspiracy. If we all stop being so selective and put together the several well documented pieces written about the season, it's obvious there wasn't and the events of 2007 were down to many factors and many individuals. A multiple WDC and WCC winning team run by a man with a reputation for fairness and sportsmanship, almost to a fault, wilfully sabotaging one of its drivers... come on!
But you must admit, the team's myopic focus on beating Alonso towards the tail end of 2007 is what caused them to lose the WDC with Hamilton beached in the gravel...? If you grant that, then surely there must have been more subtle things going on in the background that wouldn't have helped Alonso either.
It's pretty staggering that Alonso even finished where he did in the final WDC table, racing under a cloud...
You do get the feeling that Alonso only races for himself though, determined to prove everyone wrong at all times and to prove he is the best. With mental strength like that it's hard to overcome such a character.
He's getting ready for being the centre of attention again!
Here's Alonso on why Alonso is the best driver wherever he drives, even Indycar 500 apparently...
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.i-score...
“Throughout my career, when the engines were V10 or V8, we were there all the time, with Michelin, Pirelli, we were still there in the top positions,” he said. “The wet conditions were always good for me, and now when I’ve gone to other categories, to go to the Dakar Rally and be amongst the top five was a good surprise for me. To jump in a car and… be able to lead in the Indy 500 was a surprise to me."
9/10 for modesty
Here's Alonso on why Alonso is the best driver wherever he drives, even Indycar 500 apparently...
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.i-score...
“Throughout my career, when the engines were V10 or V8, we were there all the time, with Michelin, Pirelli, we were still there in the top positions,” he said. “The wet conditions were always good for me, and now when I’ve gone to other categories, to go to the Dakar Rally and be amongst the top five was a good surprise for me. To jump in a car and… be able to lead in the Indy 500 was a surprise to me."
9/10 for modesty
TheDeuce said:
He's getting ready for being the centre of attention again!
Here's Alonso on why Alonso is the best driver wherever he drives, even Indycar 500 apparently...
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.i-score...
“Throughout my career, when the engines were V10 or V8, we were there all the time, with Michelin, Pirelli, we were still there in the top positions,” he said. “The wet conditions were always good for me, and now when I’ve gone to other categories, to go to the Dakar Rally and be amongst the top five was a good surprise for me. To jump in a car and… be able to lead in the Indy 500 was a surprise to me."
9/10 for modesty
Self belief goes an awful long way in a sport where your success is measured in milliseconds.Here's Alonso on why Alonso is the best driver wherever he drives, even Indycar 500 apparently...
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.i-score...
“Throughout my career, when the engines were V10 or V8, we were there all the time, with Michelin, Pirelli, we were still there in the top positions,” he said. “The wet conditions were always good for me, and now when I’ve gone to other categories, to go to the Dakar Rally and be amongst the top five was a good surprise for me. To jump in a car and… be able to lead in the Indy 500 was a surprise to me."
9/10 for modesty
Mentally, Alonso is very strong and knows how to self motivate himself and also get people onto his side.
Hard to beat someone like that.
Schermerhorn said:
TheDeuce said:
He's getting ready for being the centre of attention again!
Here's Alonso on why Alonso is the best driver wherever he drives, even Indycar 500 apparently...
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.i-score...
“Throughout my career, when the engines were V10 or V8, we were there all the time, with Michelin, Pirelli, we were still there in the top positions,” he said. “The wet conditions were always good for me, and now when I’ve gone to other categories, to go to the Dakar Rally and be amongst the top five was a good surprise for me. To jump in a car and… be able to lead in the Indy 500 was a surprise to me."
9/10 for modesty
Self belief goes an awful long way in a sport where your success is measured in milliseconds.Here's Alonso on why Alonso is the best driver wherever he drives, even Indycar 500 apparently...
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.i-score...
“Throughout my career, when the engines were V10 or V8, we were there all the time, with Michelin, Pirelli, we were still there in the top positions,” he said. “The wet conditions were always good for me, and now when I’ve gone to other categories, to go to the Dakar Rally and be amongst the top five was a good surprise for me. To jump in a car and… be able to lead in the Indy 500 was a surprise to me."
9/10 for modesty
Mentally, Alonso is very strong and knows how to self motivate himself and also get people onto his side.
Hard to beat someone like that.
He is mentally very strong, or cocksure, perhaps?
ash73 said:
Looking forward to seeing him back.
It would ace if Renault continue their current trajectory and he jumps straight in a race winning car, after all the mistakes he's made in the past!
I think he'll look like he's on top form regardless, because Ocon is a bit... not the best.It would ace if Renault continue their current trajectory and he jumps straight in a race winning car, after all the mistakes he's made in the past!
Are Renault on a trajectory though? Or just about to bounce off their ceiling of performance again vs the other upper midfield teams? We have been here before with the current incarnation of Renault. Back in 2018 they were 'on a trajectory', until it appeared they made no substantial progress going in to 2019 at which point everyone else jumped ahead - their own customer beat them.
I'll be fair and say that at long last their PU looks like it has teeth AND also a reasonable level of reliability. They have made progress. I'm just not sure it's enough and I'm not convinced they have much of a chance of their realistic target - to lead the midfield this season or next season. Obviously this season they've just made up a lot of ground vs McLaren due to DR's podium and Norris's DNF. Hardly a strategy they can expect to repeat each weekend though. I reckon Mclaren will have them 3 years on the row come the end of next season. Even with Alonso's upcoming motivational radio speeches.
TheDeuce said:
Schermerhorn said:
TheDeuce said:
He's getting ready for being the centre of attention again!
Here's Alonso on why Alonso is the best driver wherever he drives, even Indycar 500 apparently...
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.i-score...
“Throughout my career, when the engines were V10 or V8, we were there all the time, with Michelin, Pirelli, we were still there in the top positions,” he said. “The wet conditions were always good for me, and now when I’ve gone to other categories, to go to the Dakar Rally and be amongst the top five was a good surprise for me. To jump in a car and… be able to lead in the Indy 500 was a surprise to me."
9/10 for modesty
Self belief goes an awful long way in a sport where your success is measured in milliseconds.Here's Alonso on why Alonso is the best driver wherever he drives, even Indycar 500 apparently...
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.i-score...
“Throughout my career, when the engines were V10 or V8, we were there all the time, with Michelin, Pirelli, we were still there in the top positions,” he said. “The wet conditions were always good for me, and now when I’ve gone to other categories, to go to the Dakar Rally and be amongst the top five was a good surprise for me. To jump in a car and… be able to lead in the Indy 500 was a surprise to me."
9/10 for modesty
Mentally, Alonso is very strong and knows how to self motivate himself and also get people onto his side.
Hard to beat someone like that.
He is mentally very strong, or cocksure, perhaps?
Exige77 said:
Just waiting for one of the Honda powered drivers to come up behind him and get on the radio complaining they are being held up by a GP2 driver
If one of them did Honda might decide to hang in for another season! They won't forget that comment, ever. Nor should they, given it should never have been a comment made publicly in the first place.
be interesting to see him bring that 6/10ths with him ...should be right up there with Verstappen 
although i'm being facetious, i want Alonso back & doing well- as F1 is better with him in it
& also be interesting to see how another WDC winning 40 year old coming back from a lengthy sabbatical gets on
although i'm being facetious, i want Alonso back & doing well- as F1 is better with him in it
& also be interesting to see how another WDC winning 40 year old coming back from a lengthy sabbatical gets on
Yes it's actually the same length of sabbatical as Schumacher - it seems shorter, I guess because he's kept himself in the news - it hardly seems like he been gone at all.
I wonder if Alonso's preparation has been better? What did Schumacher do apart from tootle around on a motorbike, occasionally falling off?
I wonder if Alonso's preparation has been better? What did Schumacher do apart from tootle around on a motorbike, occasionally falling off?
Schermerhorn said:
Mentally, Alonso is very strong and knows how to self motivate himself and also get people onto his side.
Hard to beat someone like that.
Well apart from his mental breakdown against hamilton, inability to get 1st gen mclaren on side, bribing the team, falling out with honda in both F1 and Indycar and inability to get ferrari on his side....Hard to beat someone like that.
.....but yeh, other than that hes utterly brilliant at at it
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