Fernando Alonso

Fernando Alonso

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RunEveryInchOfTheWorld

785 posts

7 months

Sunday 30th August
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Catatafish said:
coetzeeh said:
If Renaults recent pace is anything to go by Fernando is going to be a menace next year!
Yeah, he may have finally made the right career move.
Lol, no chance. I will eat my hat if he wins another GP.

SmoothCriminal

3,139 posts

157 months

Sunday 30th August
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Lol Renault have one good race and they're back ontop where did they finish in spain?.

HARTLEYHARE1

315 posts

87 months

Sunday 30th August
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So great to see this team shine

Great move Daniel ......

Drooles

267 posts

14 months

Monday 31st August
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I really hope Alonso is quick next year. The more drivers fighting it out at the top, the better!

I’d love to see Mercedes, Red Bull, Renault, McLaren and Ferrari all in with a chance of race wins

kiseca

8,270 posts

177 months

Monday 31st August
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McLaren hire the most capable driver on the grid, spend millions on that driver and the car itself, and then spend the whole season trying to slow him down so their rookie driver can beat him.

Yeah that sounds like an excellent and very believable business plan from a team with that much experience in winning grand prix rolleyes

Come on guys. They're not complete idiots.

sparta6

2,232 posts

58 months

Monday 31st August
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kiseca said:
McLaren hire the most capable driver on the grid, spend millions on that driver and the car itself, and then spend the whole season trying to slow him down so their rookie driver can beat him.

Yeah that sounds like an excellent and very believable business plan from a team with that much experience in winning grand prix rolleyes

Come on guys. They're not complete idiots.
Once the Spanish bank handed over the £££ for Alonso, the TP could do as he pleases..

The British rookie also happened to be Uncle Ron's protege.


DOCG

260 posts

12 months

Monday 31st August
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kiseca said:
McLaren hire the most capable driver on the grid, spend millions on that driver and the car itself, and then spend the whole season trying to slow him down so their rookie driver can beat him.

Yeah that sounds like an excellent and very believable business plan from a team with that much experience in winning grand prix rolleyes

Come on guys. They're not complete idiots.
Hamilton was marketing gold, it made sense to back him over Alonso once they knew he was competitive enough.

angrymoby

1,246 posts

136 months

Monday 31st August
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sparta6 said:
Once the Spanish bank handed over the £££ for Alonso, the TP could do as he pleases..

The British rookie also happened to be Uncle Ron's protege.
The Spanish bank 'sponsored' both Alonso & Hamilton in 2007 ...& so annoyed that their man had been stitched up by Ron, they continued driver sponsorship at Mclaren until 2011

Uncle Ron also gave Fred Räikkönen's mechanics, which were considered the better team (having been previously Häkkinen's) ...again, doesn't really suit the narrative that Fred was being stitched up, does it?

so maybe Fred just wasn't quick enough to ensure Mclaren were fully behind him? ...or maybe he can only win when Uncle Flavio in his corner, giving him a cuddle (along with fixing races to make sure his boy wins)?

DOCG

260 posts

12 months

Tuesday 1st September
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angrymoby said:
The Spanish bank 'sponsored' both Alonso & Hamilton in 2007 ...& so annoyed that their man had been stitched up by Ron, they continued driver sponsorship at Mclaren until 2011

Uncle Ron also gave Fred Räikkönen's mechanics, which were considered the better team (having been previously Häkkinen's) ...again, doesn't really suit the narrative that Fred was being stitched up, does it?

so maybe Fred just wasn't quick enough to ensure Mclaren were fully behind him? ...or maybe he can only win when Uncle Flavio in his corner, giving him a cuddle (along with fixing races to make sure his boy wins)?
Your infantilization is very creepy, many of us disagree on how events happened or Alonso's character but we don't take it to the same level of vitriol as you. You are sick.

sparta6

2,232 posts

58 months

Tuesday 1st September
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angrymoby said:
sparta6 said:
Once the Spanish bank handed over the £££ for Alonso, the TP could do as he pleases..

The British rookie also happened to be Uncle Ron's protege.
The Spanish bank 'sponsored' both Alonso & Hamilton in 2007 ...& so annoyed that their man had been stitched up by Ron, they continued driver sponsorship at Mclaren until 2011

Uncle Ron also gave Fred Räikkönen's mechanics, which were considered the better team (having been previously Häkkinen's) ...again, doesn't really suit the narrative that Fred was being stitched up, does it?

so maybe Fred just wasn't quick enough to ensure Mclaren were fully behind him? ...or maybe he can only win when Uncle Flavio in his corner, giving him a cuddle (along with fixing races to make sure his boy wins)?
As others have mentioned, Mercedes paid for Hamilton.

There are many factors that can go unsighted in the garage. Bad tyre pressures for Alonso is one of the rare visible ones.


M5-911

238 posts

3 months

Tuesday 1st September
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sparta6 said:
As others have mentioned, Mercedes paid for Hamilton.

There are many factors that can go unsighted in the garage. Bad tyre pressures for Alonso is one of the rare visible ones.
wobble

spunkytherabbit

346 posts

138 months

Tuesday 1st September
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M5-911 said:
sparta6 said:
As others have mentioned, Mercedes paid for Hamilton.

There are many factors that can go unsighted in the garage. Bad tyre pressures for Alonso is one of the rare visible ones.
wobble
People keep quoting the bad tyre pressures saga and deliberate sabotage. This only 'became' a story of that season once Alonso started making comments about it after he realised the spygate threats weren't going to get him favourable treatment. But what happened people seem to forget.... At Mclaren's request, FIA observers were put into the garage of both drivers until the end of the season to ensure fair play and to stop the narrative Alonso was trying to push. I'd love to get on the Alonso bashing band wagon as, as stated in previous posts, time has made me equate spygate mostly with Alonso (I do remind myself others were involved), and that he effectively stabbed a British racing institution in the back makes objectivity difficult.

However, Alonso and Mclaren not winning in 2007 came down to several factors. Alonso was badly rattled by the speed of his team mate and couldn't handle it (when at Renault, it was common he went out back and kicked massive dents in containers when he was beaten - that is a first hand account from a Renault mechanic); Hamilton the rookie got a little big for his boots and played equal games of his own when he realised he was in for a shout at the WDC; the whole spygate affair; and Ron mismanaging the relationships with, and between, both his drivers. It was a perfect storm and whilst Ron said several times it was a 'nice problem to have' with both drivers in contention for the WDC, he simply didn't manage that situation.

There was no tyre pressure conspiracy. If we all stop being so selective and put together the several well documented pieces written about the season, it's obvious there wasn't and the events of 2007 were down to many factors and many individuals. A multiple WDC and WCC winning team run by a man with a reputation for fairness and sportsmanship, almost to a fault, wilfully sabotaging one of its drivers... come on!

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat

8,403 posts

53 months

Tuesday 1st September
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McLaren were the target of an irrational hatred on behalf of MM. I doubt Alonso had any idea quite what he was going to unleash when he threatened RD, and I doubt RD would have thought there would be anything like the ststorm there was when he grassed his own team up.

Dr Z

3,381 posts

129 months

Tuesday 1st September
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spunkytherabbit said:
People keep quoting the bad tyre pressures saga and deliberate sabotage. This only 'became' a story of that season once Alonso started making comments about it after he realised the spygate threats weren't going to get him favourable treatment. But what happened people seem to forget.... At Mclaren's request, FIA observers were put into the garage of both drivers until the end of the season to ensure fair play and to stop the narrative Alonso was trying to push. I'd love to get on the Alonso bashing band wagon as, as stated in previous posts, time has made me equate spygate mostly with Alonso (I do remind myself others were involved), and that he effectively stabbed a British racing institution in the back makes objectivity difficult.

However, Alonso and Mclaren not winning in 2007 came down to several factors. Alonso was badly rattled by the speed of his team mate and couldn't handle it (when at Renault, it was common he went out back and kicked massive dents in containers when he was beaten - that is a first hand account from a Renault mechanic); Hamilton the rookie got a little big for his boots and played equal games of his own when he realised he was in for a shout at the WDC; the whole spygate affair; and Ron mismanaging the relationships with, and between, both his drivers. It was a perfect storm and whilst Ron said several times it was a 'nice problem to have' with both drivers in contention for the WDC, he simply didn't manage that situation.

There was no tyre pressure conspiracy. If we all stop being so selective and put together the several well documented pieces written about the season, it's obvious there wasn't and the events of 2007 were down to many factors and many individuals. A multiple WDC and WCC winning team run by a man with a reputation for fairness and sportsmanship, almost to a fault, wilfully sabotaging one of its drivers... come on!
Oh, do get over it. The man running the team got over it. smile



But you must admit, the team's myopic focus on beating Alonso towards the tail end of 2007 is what caused them to lose the WDC with Hamilton beached in the gravel...? If you grant that, then surely there must have been more subtle things going on in the background that wouldn't have helped Alonso either.

It's pretty staggering that Alonso even finished where he did in the final WDC table, racing under a cloud...


angrymoby

1,246 posts

136 months

Wednesday 2nd September
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DOCG said:
Your infantilization is very creepy, many of us disagree on how events happened or Alonso's character but we don't take it to the same level of vitriol as you. You are sick.
sick of the revisionists, apologists & dullards that's for sure

you've got folk on here posting without any basis, without any witness or any documentation to back up any assertions or conjecture they make

& yet you've FIA reports, accounts from team members, accounts from people who witnessed the actual argument in Hungary, that you'd rather ignore because it doesn't fit your narrative

& because of that, you'd rather get personal

rev-erend

20,571 posts

242 months

Wednesday 2nd September
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kiseca said:
McLaren hire the most capable driver on the grid, spend millions on that driver and the car itself, and then spend the whole season trying to slow him down so their rookie driver can beat him.

Yeah that sounds like an excellent and very believable business plan from a team with that much experience in winning grand prix rolleyes

Come on guys. They're not complete idiots.
Thought you was making a prediction about Ricardo and Norris

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Fundoreen

1,756 posts

41 months

Wednesday 2nd September
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You can spend all day shouting oo did what to oo but the fact is they backed the wrong horse in the
team and after millions spent they have one title in the last 20 years.
Could have been 3 in a row.
They projected such an elitist and competent image for so long that its a bit of a laugh when you see how badly
the dealt with things and what a sham it was.
Ferrari assembled a top team of schumacher/brawn/todt and they meticulously worked on a winning methodology.
The big ferrari book of procedures then ended up in mclaren hands.
They only get a free pass as they are a british team.
And like in the criminal underworld ,nobody like a grass lol.

Schermerhorn

3,835 posts

147 months

Wednesday 2nd September
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Renault have (finally) an engine with good top end power. But its just top end.

They still lack the low down torque of the Mercedes which allows the Mercedes' cars to reach their terminal velocity a lot quicker. By doing that they can add more downforce and stability to the car to make it much better in the corners.

If Renault are just trimming wing levels for higher top speeds on long straights, they're going to come undone and lose time on twistier tracks.

Best to develop the engine maps, torque character and the car in tandem. We all saw what happened to Ferrari when they threw all their eggs into one basket.....

Schermerhorn

3,835 posts

147 months

Wednesday 2nd September
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Dr Z said:
spunkytherabbit said:
People keep quoting the bad tyre pressures saga and deliberate sabotage. This only 'became' a story of that season once Alonso started making comments about it after he realised the spygate threats weren't going to get him favourable treatment. But what happened people seem to forget.... At Mclaren's request, FIA observers were put into the garage of both drivers until the end of the season to ensure fair play and to stop the narrative Alonso was trying to push. I'd love to get on the Alonso bashing band wagon as, as stated in previous posts, time has made me equate spygate mostly with Alonso (I do remind myself others were involved), and that he effectively stabbed a British racing institution in the back makes objectivity difficult.

However, Alonso and Mclaren not winning in 2007 came down to several factors. Alonso was badly rattled by the speed of his team mate and couldn't handle it (when at Renault, it was common he went out back and kicked massive dents in containers when he was beaten - that is a first hand account from a Renault mechanic); Hamilton the rookie got a little big for his boots and played equal games of his own when he realised he was in for a shout at the WDC; the whole spygate affair; and Ron mismanaging the relationships with, and between, both his drivers. It was a perfect storm and whilst Ron said several times it was a 'nice problem to have' with both drivers in contention for the WDC, he simply didn't manage that situation.

There was no tyre pressure conspiracy. If we all stop being so selective and put together the several well documented pieces written about the season, it's obvious there wasn't and the events of 2007 were down to many factors and many individuals. A multiple WDC and WCC winning team run by a man with a reputation for fairness and sportsmanship, almost to a fault, wilfully sabotaging one of its drivers... come on!
Oh, do get over it. The man running the team got over it. smile



But you must admit, the team's myopic focus on beating Alonso towards the tail end of 2007 is what caused them to lose the WDC with Hamilton beached in the gravel...? If you grant that, then surely there must have been more subtle things going on in the background that wouldn't have helped Alonso either.

It's pretty staggering that Alonso even finished where he did in the final WDC table, racing under a cloud...
Yup...others would have crumbled ala Vettel.

You do get the feeling that Alonso only races for himself though, determined to prove everyone wrong at all times and to prove he is the best. With mental strength like that it's hard to overcome such a character.

M3ax

1,027 posts

170 months

Thursday 15th October
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Not sure if it’s been mentioned anywhere else but the series “Fernando “ is showing on Prime video. Watching episode 1 now. Some great footage of different categories and stuff about where he is from etc.