Lewis Hamilton Vs Michael Schumacher - Who Is Better?

Lewis Hamilton Vs Michael Schumacher - Who Is Better?

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paulw123

1,315 posts

148 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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Hamilton only gets a number 1 status when he Is the clear title contender until both WCC and WDC are sewn up. Bottas gets a fresh go at the start of each season. Sadly in a competitive season next year Merc may be forced to back Hamilton from the start next year. In my opinion they would be daft not to. Who would you put your money on out of the two?

37chevy

3,280 posts

114 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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exelero said:
I don’t understand why people keep saying that Hamilton doesn’t have a number two.
Because there’s a huge difference between having a number 1/2 status written into your contract (as schumacher/ alonso/ Vettel have) so your teammate has to be your bh from the get go, and doing as Lewis has where he wins races on merit and earns top dog, meaning when it comes down to the crunch time of the championship, his team have to back him.

Edited by 37chevy on Saturday 12th October 15:51

AmoCS

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999 posts

177 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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Its interesting when Rosberg when the title they gave him Hamiltons engineering team, which were deemed the best of the bunch.
Wonder if he still gets the best guys?

37chevy

3,280 posts

114 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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AmoCS said:
Its interesting when Rosberg when the title they gave him Hamiltons engineering team, which were deemed the best of the bunch.
Wonder if he still gets the best guys?
some have moved on to higher roles and some have moved across to Bottas side of the garage earlier this year

Edited by 37chevy on Saturday 12th October 16:45

The Moose

20,199 posts

167 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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My view is currently Hamilton for these reasons:

His win, pole and I believe title rate is better than MSC. Possibly also if you take out MSC’s later stint at Mercedes.

I believe it’s been shown that Schumacher cheated significantly. I don’t recall a similar situation with Hamilton.

I see Hamilton’s driving as more sportsman like than MSC and yet he still has a better strike rate.

I believe Schumacher used to pound in testing laps almost continuously between racing. Hamilton doesn’t have this luxury. (I know he has the simulator, but it’s never quite the same).

A couple of other reasons I’ve forgotten since starting this post and getting distracted!

Bo_apex

1,140 posts

176 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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In terms of all drivers being in equal cars that have 3 pedals and a stick: Senna

In terms of WDC's: Schumacher





Jasandjules

65,003 posts

187 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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I pretty much agree with The Moose for the same reasons. Lewis has not cheated, has not had No.1 Status until it is clear the season requires it (Does anyone think Schumacher would have had Nico win WDC whilst he was in the other car?!?!?!) - oh, Nico had to cheat to beat Lewis too...... Lewis plays fair, races hard, and makes so few mistakes it is almost unreal and he is awesome in wheel to wheel combat. For me sadly Schumacher was incredible but conduct let him down and demeans the wins.


Exige77

5,421 posts

149 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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The Moose said:
My view is currently Hamilton for these reasons:

His win, pole and I believe title rate is better than MSC. Possibly also if you take out MSC’s later stint at Mercedes.

I believe it’s been shown that Schumacher cheated significantly. I don’t recall a similar situation with Hamilton.

I see Hamilton’s driving as more sportsman like than MSC and yet he still has a better strike rate.

I believe Schumacher used to pound in testing laps almost continuously between racing. Hamilton doesn’t have this luxury. (I know he has the simulator, but it’s never quite the same).

A couple of other reasons I’ve forgotten since starting this post and getting distracted!
Also Hamilton’s achievements not finished yet. A few more good years left at the top.

DeltonaS

2,843 posts

96 months

Sunday 13th October 2019
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37chevy said:
Impossible to compare. Both greats in their respective generation
Mercedes advantage and dominance in the hyrbid engine formula is certainly greater than Ferarri's dominance was in the Schumi days.

Schumi's input on the performance of Ferrari was therefor greater than Hamiltons performance was on Mercedes in his WDC wins.

37chevy

3,280 posts

114 months

Sunday 13th October 2019
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DeltonaS said:
Mercedes advantage and dominance in the hyrbid engine formula is certainly greater than Ferarri's dominance was in the Schumi days.

Schumi's input on the performance of Ferrari was therefor greater than Hamiltons performance was on Mercedes in his WDC wins.
How could you possibly know that...I guess you have insider info on what input both drivers have had.

Dominance is dominance, you only need to be a bit better than the rest to keep ahead...and if you have a clear number 2 like schumacher did, it’s a job made easier.

ChocolateFrog

10,003 posts

131 months

Sunday 13th October 2019
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DeltonaS said:
37chevy said:
Impossible to compare. Both greats in their respective generation
Mercedes advantage and dominance in the hyrbid engine formula is certainly greater than Ferarri's dominance was in the Schumi days.

Schumi's input on the performance of Ferrari was therefor greater than Hamiltons performance was on Mercedes in his WDC wins.
You can't make that assumption, well you can but it makes you look silly.

Hamilton had terrible reliability issues when Rosberg won the championship, if it was for that he'd be just as dominant as MS was when Ferarri were on top.

ChocolateFrog

10,003 posts

131 months

Sunday 13th October 2019
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I'll wait until Hamilton is retired.

Can see him equalling MS's WDC's and breaking a whole load of other records. He'll almost certainly get a 100+ pole positions, may even get 100+ wins before he's finished.

coetzeeh

2,173 posts

194 months

Sunday 13th October 2019
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Jasandjules said:
I Lewis has not cheated.
Adelaide 2009 unfortunately - for which LH apologised when the facts emerged and for which big Dave was made the fall guy and cost him his 25 year career ar McL.


Edited by coetzeeh on Sunday 13th October 11:56

37chevy

3,280 posts

114 months

Sunday 13th October 2019
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coetzeeh said:
Adelaide 2009 unfortunately - for which LH apologised when the facts emerged and for which big Dave was made the fall guy and cost him his 25 year career ar McL.


Edited by coetzeeh on Sunday 13th October 11:56
He was told to lie by his team, which he did and was caught out.

Hardly on the scale of Alonso bribing Mclaren, his involvement with spingate, Schumachers, Sennas or Prost driving indiscretions

HTP99

17,119 posts

98 months

Sunday 13th October 2019
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37chevy said:
coetzeeh said:
Adelaide 2009 unfortunately - for which LH apologised when the facts emerged and for which big Dave was made the fall guy and cost him his 25 year career ar McL.


Edited by coetzeeh on Sunday 13th October 11:56
He was told to lie by his team, which he did and was caught out.

Hardly on the scale of Alonso bribing Mclaren, his involvement with spingate, Schumachers, Sennas or Prost driving indiscretions
I always think its kind of desperate when this is the one and only thing that is ever mentioned about Hamilton when drivers ethics are questioned; from 10 years ago too!

coetzeeh

2,173 posts

194 months

Sunday 13th October 2019
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HTP99 said:
37chevy said:
coetzeeh said:
Adelaide 2009 unfortunately - for which LH apologised when the facts emerged and for which big Dave was made the fall guy and cost him his 25 year career ar McL.


Edited by coetzeeh on Sunday 13th October 11:56
He was told to lie by his team, which he did and was caught out.

Hardly on the scale of Alonso bribing Mclaren, his involvement with spingate, Schumachers, Sennas or Prost driving indiscretions
I always think its kind of desperate when this is the one and only thing that is ever mentioned about Hamilton when drivers ethics are questioned; from 10 years ago too!
you are going to have to do a bit better than that biggrin

37chevy

3,280 posts

114 months

Sunday 13th October 2019
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coetzeeh said:
you are going to have to do a bit better than that biggrin
Nah he’s right. It’s pretty pathetic if it’s the only example you can keep bringing up.

...think you need to do better yourself

E34-3.2

1,002 posts

37 months

Sunday 13th October 2019
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ChocolateFrog said:
I'll wait until Hamilton is retired.

Can see him equalling MS's WDC's and breaking a whole load of other records. He'll almost certainly get a 100+ pole positions, may even get 100+ wins before he's finished.
Maybe not. How many poles and wins since the summer break? It might really slow down for the next couple of years if Ferrari get their act together. Will be good to see him equaling Shumacher but more than hundred... I wish but I doubt very much.

coetzeeh

2,173 posts

194 months

Sunday 13th October 2019
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37chevy said:
coetzeeh said:
you are going to have to do a bit better than that biggrin
Nah he’s right. It’s pretty pathetic if it’s the only example you can keep bringing up.

...think you need to do better yourself
you can put icing on this turd as much as you like smile

PO says Hamilton has not cheated - cheating a bit, or a long time ago is being dishonest. LH admitted to it. There is no denying it I'm afraid.

or maybe LH lied about being dishonest?

on a serious note - LH is one of the all time greats and an example sportsman. He was naive and must have been hacked about it afterwards..

Bradgate

2,264 posts

105 months

Sunday 13th October 2019
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Sir Lewis, without a doubt.

He is every bit as quick and consistent as Schumacher was, but he doesn’t suffer ‘red mist’ under pressure, doesn’t deliberately force his rivals into the wall or park his car in the middle of a street circuit.