Lewis Hamilton Vs Michael Schumacher - Who Is Better?

Lewis Hamilton Vs Michael Schumacher - Who Is Better?

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soad

30,445 posts

123 months

Sunday 13th October
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Don’t watch the F1 these days, simply lost any interest. Says it all. frown

37chevy

3,211 posts

103 months

Sunday 13th October
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soad said:
Don’t watch the F1 these days, simply lost any interest. Says it all. frown
Then why bother commenting....

TheDeuce

3,461 posts

13 months

Sunday 13th October
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37chevy said:
soad said:
Don’t watch the F1 these days, simply lost any interest. Says it all. frown
Then why bother commenting....
"Lost any interest"... (Logs on to F1 forums...)

macdeb

7,403 posts

202 months

Monday 14th October
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Well I haven't seen Hamilton drive into another car to secure a championship and deny the closest rival. So I'd say Hamilton.

angrymoby

1,021 posts

125 months

Monday 14th October
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coetzeeh said:
Adelaide 2009 unfortunately - for which LH apologised when the facts emerged and for which big Dave was made the fall guy and cost him his 25 year career ar McL.
fall guys/ scapegoats tend to vent to anyone who'll listen about the injustice they've received ...especially over questions about their integrity

what's Dave had to say about it?

StevieBee

8,084 posts

202 months

Monday 14th October
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Schumacher's rise always struck me as a bit odd.

Were you to have followed his pre-F1 career, there was little to suggest him likely to be anything other than a decent F1 driver and nothing more.

He won some low-league Formula Ford Championship, the German F3 Championship, twice and The Macau GP. All very worthy and credible but many attained more but achieved less opportunity.

Frentzen was widely touted as the next German champion at the time, not Schumacher.

His successes at Benetton are clouded in suspicion of illegal technology. His time at Ferrari benefited from the team completely focused on him - even the tyres were designed and made to suit him and him alone. And is the only driver I can think of disqualified from an entire season's championship. Parking it in Monaco, barging Villenueve (which earned him the disqualification) and others don't help his cause.

If you compare that to Hamilton who won Formula Renualt UK, Formula 3 EuroSeries, Masters of Formula 3 and GP2 championships and came within a whisker of taking the F1 title in his rookie year and a record since in which his only self-inflicted controversy of any note is fashion, you have to conclude that his the better of the two, even if the statistics show otherwise.


E-bmw

5,184 posts

99 months

Monday 14th October
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Don't forget that for the last 2 seasons + the Fezza has been the fastest car in a straight line and "fingers" himself actually even admitted in the last closed season that he was Ferrari's biggest problem and that they should have won.

So even with what is no longer the faster car he still manages to be so far in front at this stage in the season.

ntiz

959 posts

83 months

Monday 14th October
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DeltonaS said:
37chevy said:
Impossible to compare. Both greats in their respective generation
Mercedes advantage and dominance in the hyrbid engine formula is certainly greater than Ferarri's dominance was in the Schumi days.

Schumi's input on the performance of Ferrari was therefor greater than Hamiltons performance was on Mercedes in his WDC wins.
Most of the stuff I have read about Schumacher was that he wasn’t that great a development driver because he was so bloody fast in anything. That’s why they needed Barichello who is brilliant at feed back by all accounts.

I don’t think drivers have all that much input to car development anymore. They are so complicated all they can tell them is about the balance I guess. Then it’s up to the engineers to work it out.


HustleRussell

17,081 posts

107 months

Monday 14th October
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ntiz said:
I don’t think drivers have all that much input to car development anymore. They are so complicated all they can tell them is about the balance I guess. Then it’s up to the engineers to work it out.
I don’t think that’s the case at all. The teams have three or four drivers in and out of the simulator on a pretty continuous basis. On top of all the usual mechanical and aerodynamic stuff they have to figure out how best to deploy the electrical power over the lap, mode utilisation and probably a million and one other things.

TobyTR

713 posts

93 months

Monday 14th October
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HustleRussell said:
ntiz said:
I don’t think drivers have all that much input to car development anymore. They are so complicated all they can tell them is about the balance I guess. Then it’s up to the engineers to work it out.
I don’t think that’s the case at all. The teams have three or four drivers in and out of the simulator on a pretty continuous basis. On top of all the usual mechanical and aerodynamic stuff they have to figure out how best to deploy the electrical power over the lap, mode utilisation and probably a million and one other things.
Exactly that, it's mostly simulation work since 2009, different to 15+ years ago when the only way to develop the cars from driver input was pounding 80+ test laps with both race drivers and their reserve driver at Silverstone/Catalunya/Magny-Cours/Imola/Fiorano etc.

imo, Lewis obviously doesn't resort to ramming into teammates ala Senna & Schumacher, and is the best driver on the current grid, but Schumacher shown more flashes of brilliance in less dominant cars during a shorter period, and showed signs of being a better all-round driver. Ross Brawn's many anecdotes of him offering solutions to team strategy calmly and totally unflustered while setting fastest laps is an example of this, and he very rarely had an off-day on Sundays. He was also other-worldy fast during in-laps and out-laps.


TheDeuce

3,461 posts

13 months

Monday 14th October
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There is only one way to answer this question once and for all. We need to create a racing series specifically designed to find the best driver! Oh.. wait...

Moobs

250 posts

131 months

Monday 14th October
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TobyTR said:
Exactly that, it's mostly simulation work since 2009, different to 15+ years ago when the only way to develop the cars from driver input was pounding 80+ test laps with both race drivers and their reserve driver at Silverstone/Catalunya/Magny-Cours/Imola/Fiorano etc.

imo, Lewis obviously doesn't resort to ramming into teammates ala Senna & Schumacher, and is the best driver on the current grid, but Schumacher shown more flashes of brilliance in less dominant cars during a shorter period, and showed signs of being a better all-round driver. Ross Brawn's many anecdotes of him offering solutions to team strategy calmly and totally unflustered while setting fastest laps is an example of this, and he very rarely had an off-day on Sundays. He was also other-worldy fast during in-laps and out-laps.
The quality on the grid in Lewis era surpasses that of Schumacher's

TobyTR

713 posts

93 months

Monday 14th October
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Moobs said:
The quality on the grid in Lewis era surpasses that of Schumacher's
Nobody can say for sure and that's open for debate. But the level of professionalism we see today - in terms of fitness, approach, work-ethic and dedication, not ramming wink - is largely thanks to Senna and Schumacher

Jenson Button, January 3rd 2019: "The moment I stood alongside Michael on a podium that’s when I knew I was an F1 driver. So much respect for this guy, the benchmark for a racing driver who is the best I’ve ever seen & raced against. The rest of us were there to make the racing interesting."

I'll take his word.

vdn

6,913 posts

150 months

Tuesday 15th October
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StevieBee said:
Schumacher's rise always struck me as a bit odd.

Were you to have followed his pre-F1 career, there was little to suggest him likely to be anything other than a decent F1 driver and nothing more.

He won some low-league Formula Ford Championship, the German F3 Championship, twice and The Macau GP. All very worthy and credible but many attained more but achieved less opportunity.

Frentzen was widely touted as the next German champion at the time, not Schumacher.

His successes at Benetton are clouded in suspicion of illegal technology. His time at Ferrari benefited from the team completely focused on him - even the tyres were designed and made to suit him and him alone. And is the only driver I can think of disqualified from an entire season's championship. Parking it in Monaco, barging Villenueve (which earned him the disqualification) and others don't help his cause.

If you compare that to Hamilton who won Formula Renualt UK, Formula 3 EuroSeries, Masters of Formula 3 and GP2 championships and came within a whisker of taking the F1 title in his rookie year and a record since in which his only self-inflicted controversy of any note is fashion, you have to conclude that his the better of the two, even if the statistics show otherwise.
Well said!

ash73

16,781 posts

168 months

Tuesday 15th October
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Alonso.

The Moose

18,807 posts

156 months

Tuesday 15th October
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TheDeuce said:
There is only one way to answer this question once and for all. We need to create a racing series specifically designed to find the best driver! Oh.. wait...
Good plan! Because that’s not F1.

TheDeuce

3,461 posts

13 months

Tuesday 15th October
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The Moose said:
TheDeuce said:
There is only one way to answer this question once and for all. We need to create a racing series specifically designed to find the best driver! Oh.. wait...
Good plan! Because that’s not F1.
Sarcasm aside you're right, I know. Although the challenge of winning a WDC multiple times is real. Who other than Lewis has managed it so many times without obvious No1 driver status or some other 'not entirely sporting' advantage?

37chevy

3,211 posts

103 months

Tuesday 15th October
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ash73 said:
Alonso.
I know you’re just trolling but man you made me laugh....haha haha alonso isn’t even close

HTP99

15,169 posts

87 months

Tuesday 15th October
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ash73 said:
Alonso.
Who?!

TheDeuce

3,461 posts

13 months

Tuesday 15th October
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HTP99 said:
ash73 said:
Alonso.
Who?!
He was the guy that was at McLaren before they started to get good again I think.