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HTP99

15,169 posts

87 months

Thursday 7th November
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It's funny how these work cultures become a thing and they cannot see it themselves and struggle to bring about change, unless there is outside influence; of course with Ferrari there was a change in the Schumacher years with Ross Brawn etc but then they all leave and it goes back to what it was and they stand and scratch their heads wondering what their issues are.

Muzzer79

2,927 posts

134 months

Thursday 7th November
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StevieBee said:
Wasn't it John Barnard who set up a Ferrari design office in Guildford?
He did indeed.

For a reason I can't remember, he had to set it up as a company in it's own right - it couldn't just be another Ferrari office.

So, being a Ferrari design office, he called it 'GTO' - Guildford Technical Office.

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kiseca

7,658 posts

166 months

Thursday 7th November
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Daston said:
Part of me feels that even Kimi's Championship year wasn't really Ferrari at its best but more Hamilton/Alonso tripping over each other and the FIA making some very odd calls. Was certainly close!
Yeah, that's the one championship that in my head never really happened, for a few reasons and some are biased.

I was excited to see what Hamilton could do since I remember reading an article on him in Fast Lane (I think, maybe Performance Car or Evo) when he was still a kid in karting. Then in the first half of the season he proved to be both fast and consistent and set a record for podium finishes. I was very keen to see a new driver come in and win it on their first attempt, felt like it would have been an historic season.

Then the spygate scandal hit. I think that took focus away from McLaren's championship challenge and all the effort to fight that cost either Hamilton or Alonso the title. Then, when it came to the court case, by which time the championship was now definitely a head to head between the McLarens and Kimi's Ferrari, I felt that, if they're really focussed on either finding the truth or responding to what happened, then either McLaren are found innocent and there's no penalty, or they are found guilty and excluded from the results... incl. their drivers. I felt that, if after dragging this on so long until they have a title race to keep the viewing numbers up, they decide to find some way of punishing McLaren but letting the title race carry on, they were selling out.. and of course that's exactly what they found.

At that point the 2007 championship lost all relevance to me. To me it was then just clearly an engineered TV money maker and the winner, whichever of the three it was, was no longer winning just on their own merit. I didn't watch another race that season. If the car was OK to compete in, then let the team and the drivers compete. If the car had an unfair advantage because of the shared data, then exclude it. Instead they took a middle road that didn't commit to either decision.

I think part of my strong reaction was because, once it got to the point at which the season to me became farcical, the excitement of seeing a newcomer win first time around had been taken away. I didn't watch 2008 either.

I know it's always engineered to an extent, but that was the decision that to me put them over the top.


marine boy

334 posts

125 months

Thursday 7th November
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TheDeuce said:
Out of interest, in what capacity did you work for Ferrari?

Edited by TheDeuce on Thursday 7th November 07:34
Just a senior minion ie brought in for my experience and given a lot of freedom working with/for many technical departments eg chassis, engine, aero, transmission, electrical etc and race team so had a relatively broad view of the inner workings

I'm sure my observations don't read as people would like to believe but this is how it was for me........

The team celebrates each win as if it were the first, have a humble approach towards winning, respect towards their competitors, only secretive towards outsiders, nationality comes secondary to ability, play hard within the rules but are very good at clarifying the rules to suit their own needs, keen to learn from brought in experience/knowledge and the guys work harder and with more passion than most teams

Their approach is the Ferrari way which is no better or worse than the other big teams just different, obviously it could be improved as Mercedes has been the stronger team for a few years now

In Italy the most important thing to Italians are their mum, football, then Ferrari or Rossi depending on who is doing the most winning biggrin

The pressure on the team is huge, unlike anything any other team has to deal with. The Italian press is brutal as it not just a few tifosi willing on the team to win but a whole country.




Edited by marine boy on Thursday 7th November 23:54

marine boy

334 posts

125 months

Thursday 7th November
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SturdyHSV said:
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^^^^ me when I typed it hehe glad it made you smile

ajprice

16,643 posts

143 months

Thursday 14th November
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https://jalopnik.com/literally-everything-is-wrong...

"In Bahrain, Leclerc had an engine cylinder failure. In Austria, Vettel had problems with the air pressure line. It was turbo problems for Vettel and a fuel system problem for Leclerc in Germany. In Russia, Vettel’s power unit overheated. And at the US GP, Leclerc had an oil leak.

In the event that you were not aware, that is Really Not Good! This isn’t necessarily just an engine problem, it’s a significant failure to design an engine, period. The whole thing is bad."

It isn't one part of the engine that is off and failing, its something different every time. That isn't going to help them for next year's engine if they are playing whack a mole with the problems instead of knowing what to fix with this years.

Munter

28,904 posts

188 months

Thursday 14th November
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Doesn't this come under the "It's easier to make a fast car reliable, than a reliable car fast".

It seems to me that to compete with Merc they have been pushing the PU technology boundary hard and so it's going to have issues. But at least it's fast when it's working.

TheDeuce

3,462 posts

13 months

Thursday 14th November
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Munter said:
Doesn't this come under the "It's easier to make a fast car reliable, than a reliable car fast".

It seems to me that to compete with Merc they have been pushing the PU technology boundary hard and so it's going to have issues. But at least it's fast when it's working.
Not really working though is it? 'if' their PU is indeed more powerful than Mercs, at most it can only be a fraction more power. A tiny benefit really compared to the other differences in the Mercs favour. And whatever advantage they sought by trying to be that tiny bit quicker is wiped out and more each time there's a failure or even a suspected potential issue.

In real terms, if they're a tiny bit faster than Merc they stand to gain a few more points on certain circuits. If their PU goes bang they lose a bucket load of points and get handicapped going into the next weekend.

Muzzer79

2,927 posts

134 months

Thursday 14th November
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ajprice said:
https://jalopnik.com/literally-everything-is-wrong...

"In Bahrain, Leclerc had an engine cylinder failure. In Austria, Vettel had problems with the air pressure line. It was turbo problems for Vettel and a fuel system problem for Leclerc in Germany. In Russia, Vettel’s power unit overheated. And at the US GP, Leclerc had an oil leak.

In the event that you were not aware, that is Really Not Good! This isn’t necessarily just an engine problem, it’s a significant failure to design an engine, period. The whole thing is bad."

It isn't one part of the engine that is off and failing, its something different every time. That isn't going to help them for next year's engine if they are playing whack a mole with the problems instead of knowing what to fix with this years.
In fairness, that's a bit of a sensationalist article. Honda had plenty of issues in 2017 but managed to improve in 2018 and are pretty much there in 2019. It's just that Ferrari is more public because they're nearer the front.

It wasn't a problem in Belgium, Italy or Singapore.....

Oh and the article was also clearly written by someone with the writing style of a buffoon.