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Flooble

2,019 posts

50 months

Thursday 23rd January
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Indeed, let’s not forget that last year it wasn’t even rumours - we actually saw Ferrari have one version of their car that was faster than everyone else while Merc rushed out a ‘spec b’

Come the season ...

2fast748

595 posts

145 months

Thursday 23rd January
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Flooble said:
Indeed, let’s not forget that last year it wasn’t even rumours - we actually saw Ferrari have one version of their car that was faster than everyone else while Merc rushed out a ‘spec b’

Come the season ...
What is the truth about Merc in pre-season testing last year? There were various stories about a mule car or a spec B car coming to the second test but I'm sure not even Merc can re-design a car in a couple fo weeks!

TheDeuce

4,217 posts

16 months

Thursday 23rd January
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2fast748 said:
Flooble said:
Indeed, let’s not forget that last year it wasn’t even rumours - we actually saw Ferrari have one version of their car that was faster than everyone else while Merc rushed out a ‘spec b’

Come the season ...
What is the truth about Merc in pre-season testing last year? There were various stories about a mule car or a spec B car coming to the second test but I'm sure not even Merc can re-design a car in a couple fo weeks!
They split the development into a safe car (spec a) that they knew would work, and a second channel for the more experimental car (spec b). It effectively meant that at the very last moment when they had to cease development in order to make the testing dates, they could do so with spec a, and spend another several weeks on spec b. It also meant that the spec b car could have final adjustments made based on spec a's first few days of testing.

There was never a last minute rush, it wasn't a knee-jerk reaction. It was the spending of extra tens of millions in advance to ensure they could maximise the performance of the final car they entered the season with. As ever, in F1 money buys performance.

Fully expect they'll do the same this season. This season is invaluable to them, why would they not?

As for the Ferrari speed Vs Mercedes, I think maybe a confluence of factors. Mercedes have often shown they don't need to go flat out to get enough data to know how fast they could really have gone, so they don't go flat out. Some call this sand bagging, but I think it's just sensible more than deceptive. Barcelona was also very cool so Ferrari could run higher engine modes - and then in Australia it was pretty warm and they immediately ran in to heat management issues. Remember vettels message: "why are we so slow!?" Presumably to make the end of the race..

There are more factors but I wrote all about that this time last year! I'll save repeating it all until pre-season testing starts up this year, at which point I expect we'll see pretty much the same tbh.

TheDeuce

4,217 posts

16 months

Thursday 30th January
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Flooble said:
Indeed, let’s not forget that last year it wasn’t even rumours - we actually saw Ferrari have one version of their car that was faster than everyone else while Merc rushed out a ‘spec b’

Come the season ...
I suppose another thought when it comes to looking at Ferrari pre-season speed, is that we might all miss the point somewhat. We watch the test timings and stats, form opinions based on split second differences between the top cars. But actually in 2018 and 2019 the cars were potentially as good overall as their competitors, yet they managed to throw away entire races in various ways. Worrying about a tenth a lap is all well and good but a single minor mistake or miscalculation by the team can have a far greater impact on the race - and frankly, Ferrari have made a lot of mistakes in recent history. Over 200 points behind Merc last year, that's the real measure of their performance, and they didn't lose most of that ground just because the Merc was arguably a slightly better all round car.

However they perform in Barcelona next month, I think the real indicators of how well they could do next year might be found in team rhetoric and organisation, also in how they manage the driver politics and relationship. If they name either driver as No1 then I see all sorts of problems for this season, regardless of how great their 2020 car itself might appear.

Raw performance does matter of course, but I think they have a few other areas of improvement that we don't get to judge until the season is well underway.

TheDeuce

4,217 posts

16 months

Tuesday 11th February
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There it is!

TheDeuce

4,217 posts

16 months

Tuesday 11th February
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Better lighting


Allyc85

7,002 posts

136 months

Tuesday 11th February
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That is some impressively tight packaging at the rear. Obviously we all know the rest of it will change before Oz.

pits

5,820 posts

140 months

Tuesday 11th February
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Jesus Christ, are they really asking Vettel about Schnitzel vs Pasta? And can't someone at Ferrari pop to Halfords and grab a bottle of SRP and a cheap buffer.

I like the matte on the RB, but the Ferrari just looks like a 90's Punto that has spent too long in the sun.

TheDeuce

4,217 posts

16 months

Tuesday 11th February
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According to Binotto, it's more red than last years car. That's an improvement smile


JonChalk

2,593 posts

60 months

Tuesday 11th February
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It's got a hell of a rake on it!

Wonder if that's fake / distraction for the other teams, as it looks to be way higher than a Red Bull.

FourWheelDrift

79,071 posts

234 months

TheDeuce

4,217 posts

16 months

Tuesday 11th February
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I must admit that even though it was a little overproduced.. seeing the first car reveal in the metal (or carbon..) does whet the appetite for the new season.

And the possibility that Ferrari could give Mercedes a real battle again at last! Although we'll have to wait to see if that's the case.

another 3 points

843 posts

147 months

Tuesday 11th February
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Is the conductor in the launch film none other than....Alonso?

dunc_sx

1,097 posts

147 months

Tuesday 11th February
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Bit of discussion here:

https://youtu.be/Jp8MDJdMLwA

TheDeuce

4,217 posts

16 months

Tuesday 11th February
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New one better looking? I think the barge-boards are a bit of an ugly (yet necessary) growth sadly.


TheDeuce

4,217 posts

16 months

Tuesday 11th February
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Also in general Ferrari chatter: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.leclerc...

Finally confirmed no number one driver (yet...). I couldn't see what other call they could make this season, Seb would lose what little composure he has left if Charles was favoured over him. Also wasn't realistic to make Seb No1 when Charles is clearly performing better. Solution: no one gets no1 status smile

TheInternet

3,041 posts

113 months

Wednesday
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It's about the time to think about my annual hopeless WDC bet, Seb at 8/1 looks like it might be worth a go.

TheDeuce

4,217 posts

16 months

Wednesday
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TheInternet said:
It's about the time to think about my annual hopeless WDC bet, Seb at 8/1 looks like it might be worth a go.
I'd want better odds on that one! Maybe if the sf1000 turns out to be an absolute beast and they stop making silly strategy mistakes, Ferrari could win.. but even then seb has to beat leclerc..

Sebs got the ability to beat him I think, if it wasn't for his own mistakes under pressure.

TheInternet

3,041 posts

113 months

Wednesday
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I like to imagine the pressure is different this year with CL perhaps carrying the greater expectation. If Seb has got his head screwed on that bit more and the car/team iron out the foibles it could work out. There is a lot of demonstrable potential there.

(This is how I convince myself to throw money away on a hopeless bet.)

TheDeuce

4,217 posts

16 months

Wednesday
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TheInternet said:
I like to imagine the pressure is different this year with CL perhaps carrying the greater expectation. If Seb has got his head screwed on that bit more and the car/team iron out the foibles it could work out. There is a lot of demonstrable potential there.

(This is how I convince myself to throw money away on a hopeless bet.)
Well, don't let me talk you out of donating a few quid to the bookies wink

I don't doubt Seb's potential one bit. I actually agree that if the car was good enough, and in the first few races he takes the lead in WDC, his confidence could be restored sufficiently to carry him and get the job done. There's a fair few if's in that possibility though.

If anyone else in a top car looks to be taking a lead on him points-wise, I just find it easy to believe he'll start taking do-or-die risks to restore the status quo, and inevitably drive in to someone or spin the car. He was so good at RB when he was winning easily, but the pressure of a sustained battle just seems to effect his judgement badly.

At least watch this before making a final decision smilehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L42zsILN9Vs

All this is a little tongue in cheek, he's actually one of my favourite drivers.