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marine boy said:
What is missing is the ring of steel Todt put up to protect the team from the upper Ferrari management along with Brawn having everybody working in the same direction without any blame games
More recently missing was also thrown out with the baby and bath water when the excellent, open working relationship between Aldo Costa and Pat Fry ceased when Aldo left
Wouldn't go as far as saying the cause of Ferrari's problems being the Italian way more of the wrong way as there are many extremely talented Italians within the team too
I'm sure an expert will disagree with the above but its just my opinion based on my experiences of working there for 7yrs
Great post, thank you for the insight.More recently missing was also thrown out with the baby and bath water when the excellent, open working relationship between Aldo Costa and Pat Fry ceased when Aldo left
Wouldn't go as far as saying the cause of Ferrari's problems being the Italian way more of the wrong way as there are many extremely talented Italians within the team too
I'm sure an expert will disagree with the above but its just my opinion based on my experiences of working there for 7yrs
AmoCS said:
Relax Ferrari fans - typical consumer group pouncing on the Ferrari launch hype to further their own ideals. Good move, and really the Mission Winnow stuff should probably go now... But I think the government will consider that come vote day the 'Ferrari Consumer Group' (half of the electorate) might feel quite strongly that Ferrari should be allowed to keep and race their shiny new car!!I'm sure this will lead to 'something' but not the car being seized..
Ferrari Shell Commercial High Quality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_kwxzU4wL4
I am NOT a Ferrari fanatic, but this particular commercial is considered by some as;
"THE. BEST. COMMERCIAL, EVER!!!!"
"I wish this commercial was two hours long..."
"The sound of those old engines... Man... Its like i melody i would listen for long hours."
"Best Sounding Commercial ever. Use good external Speakers or headphones.
Bad Ass."
"It didn't make me want to buy Shell gas, but I sure need a Ferrari...now!
(There you go Bernie, those are the sounds we miss)."
"This commercial will surely play an important role in keeping the car addiciton alive. Matchbox and Hotwheels have kept the visual art going for generations but its that noise only a formula one exhaust can make that sucks you in for life. Love those sounds! 312B for me.....but they are all amazing!"
"Fastest two minutes on TV"
"the drivers are: Alberto Ascari, John Surtees, Chris Amon, Jacky Ickx, Michael Schumacher (correct?)"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_kwxzU4wL4
I am NOT a Ferrari fanatic, but this particular commercial is considered by some as;
"THE. BEST. COMMERCIAL, EVER!!!!"
"I wish this commercial was two hours long..."
"The sound of those old engines... Man... Its like i melody i would listen for long hours."
"Best Sounding Commercial ever. Use good external Speakers or headphones.
Bad Ass."
"It didn't make me want to buy Shell gas, but I sure need a Ferrari...now!
(There you go Bernie, those are the sounds we miss)."
"This commercial will surely play an important role in keeping the car addiciton alive. Matchbox and Hotwheels have kept the visual art going for generations but its that noise only a formula one exhaust can make that sucks you in for life. Love those sounds! 312B for me.....but they are all amazing!"
"Fastest two minutes on TV"
"the drivers are: Alberto Ascari, John Surtees, Chris Amon, Jacky Ickx, Michael Schumacher (correct?)"
Ferrari were off the pace in testing and have publicly said they are not where they wish to be.
I could be way off but is it a bit odd to continually downplay your performance? Wouldn’t you normally tell your competitors, sponsors and fans that everything is ok?
Could this be gamesmanship?
I could be way off but is it a bit odd to continually downplay your performance? Wouldn’t you normally tell your competitors, sponsors and fans that everything is ok?
Could this be gamesmanship?
JVCraddock said:
Ferrari were off the pace in testing and have publicly said they are not where they wish to be.
I could be way off but is it a bit odd to continually downplay your performance? Wouldn’t you normally tell your competitors, sponsors and fans that everything is ok?
Could this be gamesmanship?
I suppose it's possible. But more than that, I think it's sometimes less embarrassing to admit something isn't great upfront as opposed to holding face and waiting for everyone else to point it out at the first race.I could be way off but is it a bit odd to continually downplay your performance? Wouldn’t you normally tell your competitors, sponsors and fans that everything is ok?
Could this be gamesmanship?
Besides, their car is a new philosophy this year, major change from last. It's entirely believable they might struggle with it year one. Their competitors have simply had to refine what they were already great at last year.
I fully expect Ferrari to have a very unimpressive double weekend in Austria.
So it wasn't gamesmanship! The car they turned up to testing with will see two race weekends at Austria and a significantly reworked version will arrive in Hungary
HustleRussell said:
So it wasn't gamesmanship! The car they turned up to testing with will see two race weekends at Austria and a significantly reworked version will arrive in Hungary
Not exactly a surprise! But it's nice to know for sure - it looked a bit of a turd in testing because.. it's a bit of a turd.This is probably it for Ferrari's chances of 2nd in WCC this year. A short season and they have effectively no hope of being anywhere useful in the first two races. Those two races will represent probably 15-20% of the season. Red Bull already probably had them this season anyway, but this all but cements it. Horner's smug face will be extra smug upon hearing this news.
Their new design needs to be awesome and refined to near perfection by the end of this season, they're more or less stuck with it as a concept for the entirety of next season too.
HustleRussell said:
So it wasn't gamesmanship! The car they turned up to testing with will see two race weekends at Austria and a significantly reworked version will arrive in Hungary
Jesus that's pissed me off.They should be ashamed of themselves. I know I am as a supporter.
confucuis said:
Jesus that's pissed me off.
They should be ashamed of themselves. I know I am as a supporter.
When was the last time they did you proud?..They should be ashamed of themselves. I know I am as a supporter.
It boggles the mind how they have such great resources and experience yet still lose. Then they cheat, and still lose. They have unique 'special' advantages in the sport too, still don't get the job done..
I think it's safe to say they will now classify this as a development year. They don't want to look like they're trying too hard when red bull sweep past them.
JVCraddock said:
Just read a tweet from Karun Chandock referring to testing:
‘Ferrari were 11 mph slower than customer Alfa on straights - sandbagging, fuel system changes or draggy car?’
We’ll find out tomorrow!
The Alfa would have the same fuel system changes wouldn't it?‘Ferrari were 11 mph slower than customer Alfa on straights - sandbagging, fuel system changes or draggy car?’
We’ll find out tomorrow!
Ferrari have said their aero hasn't worked and is way too draggy. If it's sandbagging it's the ultimate sandbag, ever!
Indeed, bring on tomorrow!!!
JVCraddock said:
Just read a tweet from Karun Chandock referring to testing:
‘Ferrari were 11 mph slower than customer Alfa on straights - sandbagging, fuel system changes or draggy car?’
We’ll find out tomorrow!
This seems like a thing but it isn't necessarily. Top of the speed traps is almost always a lesser developed customer engined car. ‘Ferrari were 11 mph slower than customer Alfa on straights - sandbagging, fuel system changes or draggy car?’
We’ll find out tomorrow!
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