F1 not "Woke" enough

F1 not "Woke" enough

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Composer62

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1,627 posts

85 months

Thursday 13th February 2020
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Not sure where to put this .... Mods please feel free to a more appropriate home if necessary.

F1 and motorsport in general needs to up it's game !

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/comment/motorspor...

TheDeuce

21,266 posts

65 months

Thursday 13th February 2020
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Perhaps those that worry about such things aren't 'woke' to Motorsport? Aren't 'woke' to the idea of focussing on a dedicated spectacle without worry about inclusive it is?

As for F1 specifically... Every possible decision is made in the name of performance. If a gay post op man turned up and tested better than anyone else, they'd get a drive. And if they win races, they grow an army of fans - same as any other driver. F1 is so performance focussed that tlno one can afford predjudices.

Blink982

760 posts

103 months

Thursday 13th February 2020
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What is this ‘woke’ ste anyway?

I couldn’t read the article as I’m not a Torygraph reader but from the headline, all I have to say is, “bks”. I couldn’t give a tuppeny hoot who drives or who attends the races as long as it’s entertaining and isn’t watered down for the woke/snowflake/LGBTGQBBCITV generation/community or whatever else is in vogue this week thanks to the joys of social media. Again, “bks”.

Motorsport is about the best cars, engineers, designers and most importantly, drivers. The end.

Pericoloso

44,044 posts

162 months

Thursday 13th February 2020
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If "woke " types don't like motorsport ,you can't force them to watch it.

Ridiculous !

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 13th February 2020
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Once again I find myself happy that I don’t subscribe to the Telegraph and I am thus unable to finish reading this ste.

miniman

24,824 posts

261 months

Thursday 13th February 2020
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Oh do fk off.

Exige77

6,518 posts

190 months

Thursday 13th February 2020
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TheDeuce said:
Perhaps those that worry about such things aren't 'woke' to Motorsport? Aren't 'woke' to the idea of focussing on a dedicated spectacle without worry about inclusive it is?

As for F1 specifically... Every possible decision is made in the name of performance. If a gay post op man turned up and tested better than anyone else, they'd get a drive. And if they win races, they grow an army of fans - same as any other driver. F1 is so performance focussed that tlno one can afford predjudices.
^^^^What he said.

There might even be a world champion of colour one day.

Oh, wait a minute smile

Who ever is fastest wins.

ChocolateFrog

24,847 posts

172 months

Thursday 13th February 2020
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It's sad that these absolute ballbags have started to infect newspapers other than the Guardian.

Do fk off.

another 3 points

936 posts

196 months

Thursday 13th February 2020
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The article started to fade out as I read. Or was it that I started to fall asleep?

Poppy Snowflake leave F1 alone. Take your squeaky clean scaredy cat , I’m so worthy hands off motor racing.

Pericoloso

44,044 posts

162 months

Thursday 13th February 2020
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Perhaps Poppy wassername hasn't noticed all the female engineers and other staff that are seen on tv coverage.

The banning of grid girls was the first step down the woke ladder of doom.

Teddy Lop

8,290 posts

66 months

Thursday 13th February 2020
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Pericoloso said:
Perhaps Poppy wassername hasn't noticed all the female engineers and other staff that are seen on tv coverage.

The banning of grid girls was the first step down the woke ladder of doom.
yes

The problem is these are essentially cowardly s and they need to see weakness first, if you pander to them by ditching grid girls, bring in formula-w etc they see a safe compliant target and attack.

You need to act like you just don't care for their weird little world

Nickp82

3,165 posts

92 months

Thursday 13th February 2020
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From what I could read of the article, it seems clear it is written by someone with a minimal knowledge of F1.

TheDeuce

21,266 posts

65 months

Thursday 13th February 2020
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Funny thing is... The chances are there is a 'none straight' driver on the grid today, that one day probably will come out (no one specific, just statistically likely). Might that situation be bothering them right now..? No. Because they're busy driving around at 200mph!

This if why these days I get my news from the FT. It cuts out all the bks and celebrity gossip and delivers actual news facts along with non sensationalist comment on what that news means.

HardtopManual

2,404 posts

165 months

Thursday 13th February 2020
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Jesus Christ, that is Guardian level drivel.

What is it with these puritanical types who won't be happy until we're all toiling in the fields.

TheDeuce

21,266 posts

65 months

Thursday 13th February 2020
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Teddy Lop said:
yes

The problem is these are essentially cowardly s and they need to see weakness first, if you pander to them by ditching grid girls, bring in formula-w etc they see a safe compliant target and attack.

You need to act like you just don't care for their weird little world
I only quoted you so I could see the uncensored word you used. It was the right one wink

scottydoesntknow

860 posts

56 months

Thursday 13th February 2020
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miniman said:

Oh do fk off.
yes

Nampahc Niloc

910 posts

77 months

Thursday 13th February 2020
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TheDeuce said:
Teddy Lop said:
yes

The problem is these are essentially cowardly s and they need to see weakness first, if you pander to them by ditching grid girls, bring in formula-w etc they see a safe compliant target and attack.

You need to act like you just don't care for their weird little world
I only quoted you so I could see the uncensored word you used. It was the right one wink
So did I. And it was what I assumed it would be. Good choice.

StevieBee

12,789 posts

254 months

Thursday 13th February 2020
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I took out a free trial just to read the article. I'll not cut and paste but here's the gist.

The article is about motorsport rather than F1 and hones in on a small number of LGBT/Trans drivers who recount how difficult it has been to be accepted in the sport; Charlie Martin and Richard Morris. Charlie, for example, has been ‘repeatedly let down by organisations’ who have pledged support and failed to come through on their promises. Richard has launched 'Racing Pride' in a bid to promote LGBT within the sport.

The article also touches on F1 going to places where tolerances to LGBT is at polar opposites to what we have in the UK.

The journalist clearly shows utter ignorance to the nuances of motorsport or posses any insight as to the modern world of motorsport; referring to 'Grid Girls' in F1 and Durex as a sponsor (which from memory dates back to the Shadow of the mid 70s). There is no mention of Claire Williams, W Formula, Kessel Racing or the numerous women working in top positions in many of the teams.

Utter drivel.

I try to always see things from a different perspective. But the fact that I've never heard of Charlie Martin or Richard Morris is more likely to do with the fact that they're not that quick rather than their sexual orientation.

TheDeuce

21,266 posts

65 months

Thursday 13th February 2020
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StevieBee said:
I took out a free trial just to read the article. I'll not cut and paste but here's the gist.

The article is about motorsport rather than F1 and hones in on a small number of LGBT/Trans drivers who recount how difficult it has been to be accepted in the sport; Charlie Martin and Richard Morris. Charlie, for example, has been ‘repeatedly let down by organisations’ who have pledged support and failed to come through on their promises. Richard has launched 'Racing Pride' in a bid to promote LGBT within the sport.

The article also touches on F1 going to places where tolerances to LGBT is at polar opposites to what we have in the UK.

The journalist clearly shows utter ignorance to the nuances of motorsport or posses any insight as to the modern world of motorsport; referring to 'Grid Girls' in F1 and Durex as a sponsor (which from memory dates back to the Shadow of the mid 70s). There is no mention of Claire Williams, W Formula, Kessel Racing or the numerous women working in top positions in many of the teams.

Utter drivel.

I try to always see things from a different perspective. But the fact that I've never heard of Charlie Martin or Richard Morris is more likely to do with the fact that they're not that quick rather than their sexual orientation.
Quite. Anyone with the right stuff to be a top level driver would respond by practicing harder and begging harder for chances. They wouldn't announce themselves as a victim and set up a frankly insulting group movement to force change.

Not too LGBT++++... Just too flakey and slow me thinks.

StevieBee

12,789 posts

254 months

Thursday 13th February 2020
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I left a comment. As I wrote, I'll cut and paste that:

Name me a Premiership Football team managed by a woman? Name me a sport in which women are permitted to compete on equal terms with men (and often beat them)? Name a rugby team that employs female strategists? Motorsport is a meritocracy - if you are good enough or quick enough - that is enough. It's a sport in which cream rises to the top regardless of anything else. To assume otherwise is to demonstrate ignorance as to what makes the sport tick. The marketability of a female or LGBT driver emerging capable of competing at the highest level would be immense to a level that could put straight drivers at a disadvantage. The fact that there's yet to emerge anyone is because, quite simply, there's none currently good enough. That's really it. It really, really is that simple.