F1 not "Woke" enough

F1 not "Woke" enough

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Composer62

Original Poster:

345 posts

36 months

Thursday
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Not sure where to put this .... Mods please feel free to a more appropriate home if necessary.

F1 and motorsport in general needs to up it's game !

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/comment/motorspor...

TheDeuce

4,217 posts

16 months

Thursday
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Perhaps those that worry about such things aren't 'woke' to Motorsport? Aren't 'woke' to the idea of focussing on a dedicated spectacle without worry about inclusive it is?

As for F1 specifically... Every possible decision is made in the name of performance. If a gay post op man turned up and tested better than anyone else, they'd get a drive. And if they win races, they grow an army of fans - same as any other driver. F1 is so performance focussed that tlno one can afford predjudices.

Blink982

510 posts

54 months

Thursday
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What is this ‘woke’ ste anyway?

I couldn’t read the article as I’m not a Torygraph reader but from the headline, all I have to say is, “bks”. I couldn’t give a tuppeny hoot who drives or who attends the races as long as it’s entertaining and isn’t watered down for the woke/snowflake/LGBTGQBBCITV generation/community or whatever else is in vogue this week thanks to the joys of social media. Again, “bks”.

Motorsport is about the best cars, engineers, designers and most importantly, drivers. The end.

Pericoloso

41,614 posts

113 months

Thursday
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If "woke " types don't like motorsport ,you can't force them to watch it.

Ridiculous !

REALIST123

12,722 posts

103 months

Thursday
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Once again I find myself happy that I don’t subscribe to the Telegraph and I am thus unable to finish reading this ste.

miniman

20,411 posts

212 months

Thursday
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Oh do fk off.

Exige77

4,338 posts

141 months

Thursday
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TheDeuce said:
Perhaps those that worry about such things aren't 'woke' to Motorsport? Aren't 'woke' to the idea of focussing on a dedicated spectacle without worry about inclusive it is?

As for F1 specifically... Every possible decision is made in the name of performance. If a gay post op man turned up and tested better than anyone else, they'd get a drive. And if they win races, they grow an army of fans - same as any other driver. F1 is so performance focussed that tlno one can afford predjudices.
^^^^What he said.

There might even be a world champion of colour one day.

Oh, wait a minute smile

Who ever is fastest wins.

ChocolateFrog

7,189 posts

123 months

Thursday
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It's sad that these absolute ballbags have started to infect newspapers other than the Guardian.

Do fk off.

another 3 points

843 posts

147 months

Thursday
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The article started to fade out as I read. Or was it that I started to fall asleep?

Poppy Snowflake leave F1 alone. Take your squeaky clean scaredy cat , I’m so worthy hands off motor racing.

Pericoloso

41,614 posts

113 months

Thursday
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Perhaps Poppy wassername hasn't noticed all the female engineers and other staff that are seen on tv coverage.

The banning of grid girls was the first step down the woke ladder of doom.

Teddy Lop

2,337 posts

17 months

Thursday
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Pericoloso said:
Perhaps Poppy wassername hasn't noticed all the female engineers and other staff that are seen on tv coverage.

The banning of grid girls was the first step down the woke ladder of doom.
yes

The problem is these are essentially cowardly s and they need to see weakness first, if you pander to them by ditching grid girls, bring in formula-w etc they see a safe compliant target and attack.

You need to act like you just don't care for their weird little world

Nickp82

2,137 posts

43 months

Thursday
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From what I could read of the article, it seems clear it is written by someone with a minimal knowledge of F1.

TheDeuce

4,217 posts

16 months

Thursday
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Funny thing is... The chances are there is a 'none straight' driver on the grid today, that one day probably will come out (no one specific, just statistically likely). Might that situation be bothering them right now..? No. Because they're busy driving around at 200mph!

This if why these days I get my news from the FT. It cuts out all the bks and celebrity gossip and delivers actual news facts along with non sensationalist comment on what that news means.

HardtopManual

1,276 posts

116 months

Thursday
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Jesus Christ, that is Guardian level drivel.

What is it with these puritanical types who won't be happy until we're all toiling in the fields.

TheDeuce

4,217 posts

16 months

Thursday
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Teddy Lop said:
yes

The problem is these are essentially cowardly s and they need to see weakness first, if you pander to them by ditching grid girls, bring in formula-w etc they see a safe compliant target and attack.

You need to act like you just don't care for their weird little world
I only quoted you so I could see the uncensored word you used. It was the right one wink

scottydoesntknow

551 posts

7 months

Thursday
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miniman said:

Oh do fk off.
yes

Nampahc Niloc

130 posts

28 months

Thursday
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TheDeuce said:
Teddy Lop said:
yes

The problem is these are essentially cowardly s and they need to see weakness first, if you pander to them by ditching grid girls, bring in formula-w etc they see a safe compliant target and attack.

You need to act like you just don't care for their weird little world
I only quoted you so I could see the uncensored word you used. It was the right one wink
So did I. And it was what I assumed it would be. Good choice.

StevieBee

8,360 posts

205 months

Thursday
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I took out a free trial just to read the article. I'll not cut and paste but here's the gist.

The article is about motorsport rather than F1 and hones in on a small number of LGBT/Trans drivers who recount how difficult it has been to be accepted in the sport; Charlie Martin and Richard Morris. Charlie, for example, has been ‘repeatedly let down by organisations’ who have pledged support and failed to come through on their promises. Richard has launched 'Racing Pride' in a bid to promote LGBT within the sport.

The article also touches on F1 going to places where tolerances to LGBT is at polar opposites to what we have in the UK.

The journalist clearly shows utter ignorance to the nuances of motorsport or posses any insight as to the modern world of motorsport; referring to 'Grid Girls' in F1 and Durex as a sponsor (which from memory dates back to the Shadow of the mid 70s). There is no mention of Claire Williams, W Formula, Kessel Racing or the numerous women working in top positions in many of the teams.

Utter drivel.

I try to always see things from a different perspective. But the fact that I've never heard of Charlie Martin or Richard Morris is more likely to do with the fact that they're not that quick rather than their sexual orientation.

TheDeuce

4,217 posts

16 months

Thursday
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StevieBee said:
I took out a free trial just to read the article. I'll not cut and paste but here's the gist.

The article is about motorsport rather than F1 and hones in on a small number of LGBT/Trans drivers who recount how difficult it has been to be accepted in the sport; Charlie Martin and Richard Morris. Charlie, for example, has been ‘repeatedly let down by organisations’ who have pledged support and failed to come through on their promises. Richard has launched 'Racing Pride' in a bid to promote LGBT within the sport.

The article also touches on F1 going to places where tolerances to LGBT is at polar opposites to what we have in the UK.

The journalist clearly shows utter ignorance to the nuances of motorsport or posses any insight as to the modern world of motorsport; referring to 'Grid Girls' in F1 and Durex as a sponsor (which from memory dates back to the Shadow of the mid 70s). There is no mention of Claire Williams, W Formula, Kessel Racing or the numerous women working in top positions in many of the teams.

Utter drivel.

I try to always see things from a different perspective. But the fact that I've never heard of Charlie Martin or Richard Morris is more likely to do with the fact that they're not that quick rather than their sexual orientation.
Quite. Anyone with the right stuff to be a top level driver would respond by practicing harder and begging harder for chances. They wouldn't announce themselves as a victim and set up a frankly insulting group movement to force change.

Not too LGBT++++... Just too flakey and slow me thinks.

StevieBee

8,360 posts

205 months

Thursday
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I left a comment. As I wrote, I'll cut and paste that:

Name me a Premiership Football team managed by a woman? Name me a sport in which women are permitted to compete on equal terms with men (and often beat them)? Name a rugby team that employs female strategists? Motorsport is a meritocracy - if you are good enough or quick enough - that is enough. It's a sport in which cream rises to the top regardless of anything else. To assume otherwise is to demonstrate ignorance as to what makes the sport tick. The marketability of a female or LGBT driver emerging capable of competing at the highest level would be immense to a level that could put straight drivers at a disadvantage. The fact that there's yet to emerge anyone is because, quite simply, there's none currently good enough. That's really it. It really, really is that simple.