Formula 1 Pre-season Testing February 2020
Discussion
Mr Pointy said:
It's exactly the same situation as the Mercedes ventilated hub situation towards the end of the season. The FIA said they were legal but Ferrari couldn't replicate the technology so Mercedes had to decide if it was worth the risk running them & getting excluded if the stewards decided they were illegal.
If the FIA deem the car legal at whatever point in the season then providing a disputed system remains unmodified then IMO it remains legal and unprotestable, ie. until the FIA , in their wisdom (not SF or RB threatening to throw their toys out of the pram) decide it is illegal .Let's face it ,the stewards aren't even consistent about driving standards/infractions so what hope have they when it comes to the Tech regs ?
Auntieroll said:
Mr Pointy said:
It's exactly the same situation as the Mercedes ventilated hub situation towards the end of the season. The FIA said they were legal but Ferrari couldn't replicate the technology so Mercedes had to decide if it was worth the risk running them & getting excluded if the stewards decided they were illegal.
If the FIA deem the car legal at whatever point in the season then providing a disputed system remains unmodified then IMO it remains legal and unprotestable, ie. until the FIA , in their wisdom (not SF or RB threatening to throw their toys out of the pram) decide it is illegal .Let's face it ,the stewards aren't even consistent about driving standards/infractions so what hope have they when it comes to the Tech regs ?
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/how-much-did-co...
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-mercedes-wh...
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-risk-f...
They were cautious even after Mexico where the stewards had cleared them.
Mr Pointy said:
Auntieroll said:
Mr Pointy said:
It's exactly the same situation as the Mercedes ventilated hub situation towards the end of the season. The FIA said they were legal but Ferrari couldn't replicate the technology so Mercedes had to decide if it was worth the risk running them & getting excluded if the stewards decided they were illegal.
If the FIA deem the car legal at whatever point in the season then providing a disputed system remains unmodified then IMO it remains legal and unprotestable, ie. until the FIA , in their wisdom (not SF or RB threatening to throw their toys out of the pram) decide it is illegal .Let's face it ,the stewards aren't even consistent about driving standards/infractions so what hope have they when it comes to the Tech regs ?
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/how-much-did-co...
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-mercedes-wh...
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-risk-f...
They were cautious even after Mexico where the stewards had cleared them.
Nampahc Niloc said:
Mr Pointy said:
Auntieroll said:
Mr Pointy said:
It's exactly the same situation as the Mercedes ventilated hub situation towards the end of the season. The FIA said they were legal but Ferrari couldn't replicate the technology so Mercedes had to decide if it was worth the risk running them & getting excluded if the stewards decided they were illegal.
If the FIA deem the car legal at whatever point in the season then providing a disputed system remains unmodified then IMO it remains legal and unprotestable, ie. until the FIA , in their wisdom (not SF or RB threatening to throw their toys out of the pram) decide it is illegal .Let's face it ,the stewards aren't even consistent about driving standards/infractions so what hope have they when it comes to the Tech regs ?
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/how-much-did-co...
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-mercedes-wh...
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-risk-f...
They were cautious even after Mexico where the stewards had cleared them.
geeks said:
Mr Pointy said:
Agreed. it's just one reason why I despise the Ferrari scum so much.
Yeah those rule fixing scum who haven't won anything since 2008! Cheating b
ds!Unlike the other teams, they can't even blame Mercedes budget either. They have the same level, just can't convert it to a title. The endless mistakes and mangled team/driver politics don't help.
TheDeuce said:
geeks said:
Mr Pointy said:
Agreed. it's just one reason why I despise the Ferrari scum so much.
Yeah those rule fixing scum who haven't won anything since 2008! Cheating bds!Unlike the other teams, they can't even blame Mercedes budget either. They have the same level, just can't convert it to a title. The endless mistakes and mangled team/driver politics don't help.
geeks said:
Exactly, I really don't see why Ferrari asking for clarification is them cheating somehow or moving to have it banned.
Me either - but it's Ferrari so everything is held under suspicion for whatever reason. To be fair they haven't always played entirely cleanly...So far in this instance however, all they have done is what they said they would do last week. The clarification, depending on precisely what they ask to be clarified, will probably answer a few of their (and everyone else's) questions about the device. Why wouldn't they want that extra bit of intelligence and security that everything is fair and reasonable? And just maybe something they decide they can benefit from themselves.
You can never know for sure, but right now I don't see any reason to think this is anything other than a natural step - almost a formality.
TheDeuce said:
geeks said:
Exactly, I really don't see why Ferrari asking for clarification is them cheating somehow or moving to have it banned.
Me either - but it's Ferrari so everything is held under suspicion for whatever reason. To be fair they haven't always played entirely cleanly...So far in this instance however, all they have done is what they said they would do last week. The clarification, depending on precisely what they ask to be clarified, will probably answer a few of their (and everyone else's) questions about the device. Why wouldn't they want that extra bit of intelligence and security that everything is fair and reasonable? And just maybe something they decide they can benefit from themselves.
You can never know for sure, but right now I don't see any reason to think this is anything other than a natural step - almost a formality.
HardtopManual said:
Toe out actually makes turn-in slightly slower. The whole point is to make turn in less aggressive as weight transfers to the outside front wheel, improving stability.
No it doesn't, it makes the front end more pointy (more keen to change direction) and the car less stable in a straight line - on a rwd car.This is one of the reasons for reducing toe out on a straight, along with scrubbing on the tyres reducing straight line speed/tyre wear and tyre temperature.
Dunc.
CallMeLegend said:
Wondering of the Kung Flu outbreak in Northern Italy will have any effect on Ferrari being allowed to enter, or worse still for them leave Northern Italy, or perhaps they will camp out at Barcelona for the foreseeable future?
There’s already a coronavirus case in Barcelona so sure we’ll see more very quickly.Exige77 said:
CallMeLegend said:
Wondering of the Kung Flu outbreak in Northern Italy will have any effect on Ferrari being allowed to enter, or worse still for them leave Northern Italy, or perhaps they will camp out at Barcelona for the foreseeable future?
There’s already a coronavirus case in Barcelona so sure we’ll see more very quickly.A mate of mine lives near Milan and needs to come back to the U.K. soon and there is a bit question mark over the whole quarantine / self quarantine thing, once it spreads across wester Europe how will flights be affected?
Might give Ferrari some time to find some more speed !
The map on this page shows just how close to the hotspots Ferrari are (well, Milan is):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/51631954
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/51631954
https://youtu.be/GF3oSp1OYZ0
1:55
Is he wrong? I mean, he worked for McLaren for 10 years. Not sure which 10 though...
1:55
Is he wrong? I mean, he worked for McLaren for 10 years. Not sure which 10 though...
Exige77 said:
There’s already a coronavirus case in Barcelona so sure we’ll see more very quickly.
Given the rate at which people hop around the globe these days I guess it's inevitable it will get everywhere soon enough - but the only thing that matters is how good the receiving nation is at containing and controlling the spread once it's on their soil. That does probably throw up questions in places like Vietnam, Hanoi is very densely populated and not exactly a super modern place with cutting edge medical facilities in the public sector and well rehearsed virus control units etc. Given the spread already, everywhere on the F1 calender is going to have a handful of cases surely? But probably/hopefully the vast majority will be able to demonstrate adequate levels of local control. Also if it's 'everywhere' to an extent, why would anyone have any concerns about going somewhere else it also 'is at'.. Providing the place in question isn't falling to pieces trying to deal with it of course.
TheDeuce said:
Given the rate at which people hop around the globe these days I guess it's inevitable it will get everywhere soon enough - but the only thing that matters is how good the receiving nation is at containing and controlling the spread once it's on their soil. That does probably throw up questions in places like Vietnam, Hanoi is very densely populated and not exactly a super modern place with cutting edge medical facilities in the public sector and well rehearsed virus control units etc.
Given the spread already, everywhere on the F1 calender is going to have a handful of cases surely? But probably/hopefully the vast majority will be able to demonstrate adequate levels of local control. Also if it's 'everywhere' to an extent, why would anyone have any concerns about going somewhere else it also 'is at'.. Providing the place in question isn't falling to pieces trying to deal with it of course.
It’s not so much the travelling that is the issue. It’s the congregation of large numbers of people, massively increasing the risk of spread. I suppose the races could still go ahead but behind closed doors.Given the spread already, everywhere on the F1 calender is going to have a handful of cases surely? But probably/hopefully the vast majority will be able to demonstrate adequate levels of local control. Also if it's 'everywhere' to an extent, why would anyone have any concerns about going somewhere else it also 'is at'.. Providing the place in question isn't falling to pieces trying to deal with it of course.
Derek Smith said:
It has been a remarkable run, hasn't it. Last season was the best I can remember. Two races that were bland and uninteresting, and the rest were exciting. I still think that Bharain was one of my top five races of all time.
It's a shame the Ferrari ascendancy, locking out the front row and then off into the distance, leaving the Mercs in its dust, was something of a myth. But for that race, it was magic. Had everything.
More please.
Last season certainly wasn't the best I can remember - Mercedes had 9 1-2 finishes... it was an improvement on 2014-2017 though.It's a shame the Ferrari ascendancy, locking out the front row and then off into the distance, leaving the Mercs in its dust, was something of a myth. But for that race, it was magic. Had everything.
More please.
I don't have to go back that far to find a much more exciting and better season in every way - 2012. And I can think of at least 10 other championships in the last 30 years that were more exciting, but each to their own
Nampahc Niloc said:
It’s not so much the travelling that is the issue. It’s the congregation of large numbers of people, massively increasing the risk of spread. I suppose the races could still go ahead but behind closed doors.
That could be applied to so many events though. I just can't believe all world series sport/concerts etc are going to avoid all places where the virus is detected - because before very long that would be all such events either cancelled or 'closed doors'. Can't really think about that from F1's point of view... Clearly it's a developing and worrying situation, just got to keep fingers crossed the spread levels out and it's not as disruptive in all ways as it potentially could be.
HardtopManual said:
https://youtu.be/GF3oSp1OYZ0
1:55
Is he wrong? I mean, he worked for McLaren for 10 years. Not sure which 10 though...
I did see that, and 100 percent he knows his stuff but by stable turn in he means no understeer. A good solid front end.1:55
Is he wrong? I mean, he worked for McLaren for 10 years. Not sure which 10 though...
Here's a few links about race car setup, scroll down to toe and you'll see what I mean.
https://suspensionsecrets.co.uk/adjust-tune-toe/
http://racetrackdriving.com/car-setup/track-alignm...
https://www.intraxracing.nl/en/camber
That's true for single seater and rwd mid engine sports cars.
Pinky promise that's correct I've experimented with all types of front toe on mid engine sports prototypes. Too much toe out is wild for changing direction in a straight line (not nice) but awesome in the twisties.
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