F1 cancelled this year?

F1 cancelled this year?

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TheDeuce

7,293 posts

24 months

Friday 22nd May
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REALIST123 said:
To be fair F1 is pretty good at making itself look useless too. The latest budget/development rules are another mishmash of unnecessary over-complication and overreaction that will be far more damaging to the sport than what the government does. IMO.
It is certainly unlikely that plans made in a desperate rush to keep the sport alive will serve it all that well in the longer term.. That's maybe worthy of it's own thread at some point. Right now, so much is happening and being changed in real time that it's hard to keep up let alone work out if it's all a good idea or not.

Remember when they decided to add a point for fastest lap? That alone was the source of about 6 months debate. This season there are changes being announced on the fly almost weekly!

Sandpit Steve

1,592 posts

32 months

Saturday 23rd May
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Sadly it looks as if the Silverstone plans are off, certainly for the original July date. Daily Telegraph reports this morning suggesting that the request for exemption to the travel rules went all the way up to the PM’s desk.

Really don’t envy anyone having to make any decisions right now, no matter what happens they’ll be relentlessly criticised for it.

Hopefully a date later in the year can be agreed for Silverstone to host a race or two, and that in the meantime the thousands of people involved in the F1 circus manage to deal with the constantly-moving situation as they travel around. Good luck to all!

df76

2,543 posts

236 months

Saturday 23rd May
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Sandpit Steve said:
Sadly it looks as if the Silverstone plans are off, certainly for the original July date. Daily Telegraph reports this morning suggesting that the request for exemption to the travel rules went all the way up to the PM’s desk.

Really don’t envy anyone having to make any decisions right now, no matter what happens they’ll be relentlessly criticised for it.

Hopefully a date later in the year can be agreed for Silverstone to host a race or two, and that in the meantime the thousands of people involved in the F1 circus manage to deal with the constantly-moving situation as they travel around. Good luck to all!
The BBC report is slightly more positive, but even if this is given the go ahead at the three week review time is running very short. Surely given the number of UK based teams it surely has significant repercussions for any events taking place?

jsf

19,273 posts

194 months

Saturday 23rd May
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The list is now online of the exemptions. Nothing for motorsport personnel so thats Silverstone dead for the original date.

jsf

19,273 posts

194 months

Saturday 23rd May
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df76 said:
The BBC report is slightly more positive, but even if this is given the go ahead at the three week review time is running very short. Surely given the number of UK based teams it surely has significant repercussions for any events taking place?
F1 can't wait on that, they will plan around UK quarantine rules as they are today for the next couple of months at least.

We will probably see something along the lines of 4 weekend races on the trot then 3 weeks off blocks, unless the teams say they can run multiteam rolling staff.

That might be doable if they get rid of the overnight curfew and change parke ferme rules to allow smaller crew to run both cars.

Durzel

9,172 posts

126 months

Saturday 23rd May
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Am I missing something obvious here? It was Silverstone/F1 that proposed those dates. Presumably later ones could’ve been chosen but weren’t. They took a gamble that restrictions would be eased over here by that point, and that gamble hasn’t paid off.

Is there something stopping Silverstone/F1 swapping race dates around with another country where they would be able to run it, with the UK races being provisionally scheduled for a later date?

jsf

19,273 posts

194 months

Saturday 23rd May
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Durzel said:
Am I missing something obvious here? It was Silverstone/F1 that proposed those dates. Presumably later ones could’ve been chosen but weren’t. They took a gamble that restrictions would be eased over here by that point, and that gamble hasn’t paid off.

Is there something stopping Silverstone/F1 swapping race dates around with another country where they would be able to run it, with the UK races being provisionally scheduled for a later date?
Nothing to stop that and probably the most likely outcome now.

The issue now is the other events staffing.

Sandpit Steve

1,592 posts

32 months

Saturday 23rd May
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Durzel said:
Am I missing something obvious here? It was Silverstone/F1 that proposed those dates. Presumably later ones could’ve been chosen but weren’t. They took a gamble that restrictions would be eased over here by that point, and that gamble hasn’t paid off.

Is there something stopping Silverstone/F1 swapping race dates around with another country where they would be able to run it, with the UK races being provisionally scheduled for a later date?
You’re not missing anything.

F1 are trying to plan a season with a whole bunch of unknowns, because they need reasonable lead times to actually stage events and schedule them into a coherent season. They’re trying to work with governments to facilitate events (and dare I say it, in some cases trying to bounce them into decisions), some of which will work out and some won’t.

Hopefully, F1, Silverstone and the UK Govt will all be amenable to another date or dates later in the year. If they can get four races (half a legal season) off in July in Austria and Germany, then pretty much everyone will be happy with that as a starting point.

Fundoreen

1,759 posts

41 months

Saturday 23rd May
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The dates are normally thrashed out to suit a load of fans at trackside. Hardly matters now even if the weather turns later in the year.
They could run any race anywhere right up to xmas or even in to the new year.
If they cant get sufficent races on with that flexibility there's something wrong somewhere.

RDMcG

15,695 posts

165 months

Saturday 23rd May
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Derek Smith said:
Anyone know where the F1 cancelled this year thread went to?

Come on, guys. Personal isn't the way to go. She's as entitled to her opinion (is she a she?) as any of us, and can, and perhaps should, post it. If I wanted agreement, I'd talk to myself. At least the arguments would be less frequent.
Agree completely

Derek Smith

37,755 posts

206 months

Saturday 23rd May
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vaud said:
TheDeuce said:
Brilliant!

Although watch the original now and it's very obvious the car wasn't going that much faster than the surrounding traffic smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgPoiKiMRFQ
Indeed. The dubbed soundtrack is obvious (but nice)
When I was in charge of driver training in my force, I arranged for the late Peter Gethin to take my guys out for a ride on public roads in a 4x4 Sierra. It was quite like that film, except for two important provisos: we didn't go quite that fast and it was much more terrifying. I mean, really scary. I've been out with Phil Keen in a Caterham 7 around the back ways of Farnborough. That was fast. That was fun. That put up my blood pressure. That did not make me think I was going to die.

I don't want to be controversial, but it seems F1 drivers, even ex, can really handle a car. But boy! they are dangerous.

We overtook into a closing gap when a tanker was coming towards us. I thought we were going to hit it and grabbed the FM handle to keep any glass out of my eyes. I seemed a good idea at the time. Heaven knows what the poor guy we overtook thought.

We went over a rise, on a gentle left bend, blind to any oncoming, with a lot of right lock. We went 'light', but Gethin had taken this into account and it went smoothly.

We stopped at a tea stop and the table was ever so quiet. Gethin was obviously pleased with himself, for the rest of us we were looking for somewhere to be sick. The front disc pads were spread all down the sides of the car. Some was embedded on the return under the wheelarch. It's one of those things that you are pleased to have done, but wonder why you did it.

jsf

19,273 posts

194 months

Saturday 23rd May
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I save it for the track, had a few people throw their guts up after being in a car with me on circuit, one bloke couldn't walk for 15 minutes and had to be helped from the car after a fairly interesting lap of the Nurburgring. The vast majority are fine though as i'm a smooth operator. biggrin What i find steady, some think they are going to die. It's just what you are used to.

You can't say anyone will be mad on the road because of their racing exploits, some drivers are nuts, others drive like miss daisy until you show them the circuit.

Not sure what this has to do with F1 getting started though.laugh

TheDeuce

7,293 posts

24 months

Saturday 23rd May
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Derek Smith said:
When I was in charge of driver training in my force, I arranged for the late Peter Gethin to take my guys out for a ride on public roads in a 4x4 Sierra. It was quite like that film, except for two important provisos: we didn't go quite that fast and it was much more terrifying. I mean, really scary. I've been out with Phil Keen in a Caterham 7 around the back ways of Farnborough. That was fast. That was fun. That put up my blood pressure. That did not make me think I was going to die.

I don't want to be controversial, but it seems F1 drivers, even ex, can really handle a car. But boy! they are dangerous.

We overtook into a closing gap when a tanker was coming towards us. I thought we were going to hit it and grabbed the FM handle to keep any glass out of my eyes. I seemed a good idea at the time. Heaven knows what the poor guy we overtook thought.

We went over a rise, on a gentle left bend, blind to any oncoming, with a lot of right lock. We went 'light', but Gethin had taken this into account and it went smoothly.

We stopped at a tea stop and the table was ever so quiet. Gethin was obviously pleased with himself, for the rest of us we were looking for somewhere to be sick. The front disc pads were spread all down the sides of the car. Some was embedded on the return under the wheelarch. It's one of those things that you are pleased to have done, but wonder why you did it.
I think an ex F1 driver must feel that 'normal' driving is in slow motion - so they can take a silly chance and if it goes pear shaped, in their brain, they have about a fortnight to figure out how to evade a collision biggrin

All back in the day mentality of course... These days, I doubt the entire grid has had so much as a speeding ticket most years. Then again, nor have I..

janesmith1950

8,444 posts

53 months

Saturday 23rd May
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Fundoreen said:
The dates are normally thrashed out to suit a load of fans at trackside. Hardly matters now even if the weather turns later in the year.
They could run any race anywhere right up to xmas or even in to the new year.
If they cant get sufficent races on with that flexibility there's something wrong somewhere.
Not sure UK would be much of a suitable venue after late October.

TheDeuce

7,293 posts

24 months

Saturday 23rd May
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jsf said:
I save it for the track, had a few people throw their guts up after being in a car with me on circuit, one bloke couldn't walk for 15 minutes and had to be helped from the car after a fairly interesting lap of the Nurburgring. The vast majority are fine though as i'm a smooth operator. biggrin What i find steady, some think they are going to die. It's just what you are used to.

You can't say anyone will be mad on the road because of their racing exploits, some drivers are nuts, others drive like miss daisy until you show them the circuit.

Not sure what this has to do with F1 getting started though.laugh
I push it a little on b-roads with total visibility. But it's rare that you can 'know' there is no hidden danger on public roads, so it's very infrequent. Honestly the chances I see some people take are mind boggling - I can only imagine they're too stupid to realise they're taking a gamble in the first place, they must feel safe, they should not.

As a rwd road car driver, I do quite often give it a little nudge at low entry speed in to a corner just to unsettle it for the sake of playing it back in to line as I exit. Plenty of opportunities to exercise ones car control and appreciate what you drive without going particularly fast or putting anyone at risk.

I don't think I've exceeded 90mph on British roads since I turned 30 in fact. Before then my top speed was very much governed by the car, not my inner sense of responsibility..

TheDeuce

7,293 posts

24 months

Saturday 23rd May
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janesmith1950 said:
Fundoreen said:
The dates are normally thrashed out to suit a load of fans at trackside. Hardly matters now even if the weather turns later in the year.
They could run any race anywhere right up to xmas or even in to the new year.
If they cant get sufficent races on with that flexibility there's something wrong somewhere.
Not sure UK would be much of a suitable venue after late October.
Define 'suitable'. Normally, UK post summer is definitely not suitable. If Liberty are two races away from a championship and Silverstone is their option, they'll take it. Getting a season done to secure at least most of the rights money is all important, it will override all that is normal if it comes down to it I would think.

Sandpit Steve

1,592 posts

32 months

Saturday 23rd May
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janesmith1950 said:
Fundoreen said:
The dates are normally thrashed out to suit a load of fans at trackside. Hardly matters now even if the weather turns later in the year.
They could run any race anywhere right up to xmas or even in to the new year.
If they cant get sufficent races on with that flexibility there's something wrong somewhere.
Not sure UK would be much of a suitable venue after late October.
On the contrary, one big advantage for the (TV) audience of all the difficulties in arranging the the calendar, could be a lot more wet races than usual this year, and a not-insignificant possibility of a seriously cold race or two.

defblade

5,841 posts

171 months

Sunday 24th May
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jsf said:
I save it for the track, had a few people throw their guts up after being in a car with me on circuit, one bloke couldn't walk for 15 minutes and had to be helped from the car after a fairly interesting lap of the Nurburgring. The vast majority are fine though as i'm a smooth operator. biggrin What i find steady, some think they are going to die. It's just what you are used to.
One supercar experience track day, I went out for the "get taken around by a proper racing driver in a proper track-prepped car" bit at the end. It was supposed to be 3 laps.
2 laps in, my driver commented that I seemed very composed. "Oh, I navigate on rallies."
It took him 7 laps to make me move, and that was just a little bracing against the door as the lateral G had finally exceeded the tightness of my harness biggrin

MiniMan64

12,782 posts

148 months

Sunday 24th May
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Why are the double headers being planned as a week apart? Can they not be run during the week? Or across a weekend?

Is it a driver fitness thing?

janesmith1950

8,444 posts

53 months

Sunday 24th May
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Sandpit Steve said:
On the contrary, one big advantage for the (TV) audience of all the difficulties in arranging the the calendar, could be a lot more wet races than usual this year, and a not-insignificant possibility of a seriously cold race or two.
These days they aren't going to run if the weather is too inclement and certainly not if it's going to be icy.

There's a reason there's little domestic Motorsport activity in winter.

Hopefully Silverstone can be scheduled for the autumn and a warmer climate pushed back.