The Official F1 2021 silly season *contains speculation*
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TheDeuce said:
Russells entire time at Williams has been totally pointless anyway..
Exactly this!Merc make out that it's for "experience" yet you've got Charles and Max jumping into top teams and winning gp's and im not sure what experience you get running 3 or 4 seconds off the pace.
And I'm sure George is rated at the same level as those two.
You've got journey man Bottas in the 2nd seat who when Hamilton is off the boil still manages to get beaten by others.
Merc are so far ahead they could have let George go straight into that car.
SmoothCriminal said:
Exactly this!
Merc make out that it's for "experience" yet you've got Charles and Max jumping into top teams and winning gp's.
And I'm sure George is rated at the same level as those two.
You've got journey man Bottas in the 2nd seat who when Hamilton is off the boil still manages to get beaten by others.
Merc are so far ahead they could have let George go straight into that car.
I think they made an error in not putting George in for next year. That said, they have all of the data and maybe think that he is going to be too close to Lewis... a tension they stated repeatedly that they never want again.Merc make out that it's for "experience" yet you've got Charles and Max jumping into top teams and winning gp's.
And I'm sure George is rated at the same level as those two.
You've got journey man Bottas in the 2nd seat who when Hamilton is off the boil still manages to get beaten by others.
Merc are so far ahead they could have let George go straight into that car.
vaud said:
Stratovarious said:
Why are they worried about someone getting too close to Lewis? I thought Lewis was supposed to be the GOAT?
They don’t want another Lewis / Nico situation.thegreenhell said:
You mean that time when they were so far ahead of the other teams that, even with both drivers taking points off each other, they still walked both championships? Yes, I can see why they don't want a repeat of that.
I think the point is that they hit each other more than once and Nico resorted to dirty tricks, which created a bad atmosphere for everyone.thegreenhell said:
You mean that time when they were so far ahead of the other teams that, even with both drivers taking points off each other, they still walked both championships? Yes, I can see why they don't want a repeat of that.
It created a highly destructive atmosphere in the team that they do not want to repeat.vaud said:
thegreenhell said:
You mean that time when they were so far ahead of the other teams that, even with both drivers taking points off each other, they still walked both championships? Yes, I can see why they don't want a repeat of that.
It created a highly destructive atmosphere in the team that they do not want to repeat.We as watchers want to be entertained.
Mercedes as a business want to win titles.
A winner and someone fending of the others is what they need as a business. No benefit in having two drivers tripping over each other.
Hamilton and Botas do have a go from time to time but have both kept it very clean.
Sure Mercedes want to keep Russel up to speed and ready for when they need him at some time in the future.
Deesee said:
I can not believe what I’m reading, George Russell race pace is shocking, he’s struggling to be in front of Latifi in equal equipment, correct he had the measure of the one armed Kubica last year, but Latifi is no great peddler and is not exactly beating him into submission.
This. Nice lad and I want him to do well but he has a long way to go.
This. Nice lad and I want him to do well but he has a long way to go.
Interesting suggestions for Sergio's money as it sort of dawns on F1 that they may loose it. It goes to pay wages and suppliers after all.
The assumption the mexican is so desperate to be at the party on the table at the back in the corner,that he will sign for one of these out in q1 teams.
He's been here for years so not excited to just be in F1. I would guess his money will take a year off basking in the acapulco sun alongside himself
unless a better team steps in.
The assumption the mexican is so desperate to be at the party on the table at the back in the corner,that he will sign for one of these out in q1 teams.
He's been here for years so not excited to just be in F1. I would guess his money will take a year off basking in the acapulco sun alongside himself
unless a better team steps in.
Of the young generation, other than Verstappen, who has done enough to show true greatness? LeClerc has won but probably every victory has been in an illegal car . The rest , Norris , Russell , Gasly, Ocon et al seem to attract more favourable speculation as stars of the future than maybe they’re due .
History suggests that the majority will top out as middle rankers and , as yet , I await any one of them to do something that stands out as extraordinary.
Hopefully somebody we don’t see on the radar at present will emerge to amaze us and do what Verstappen did . Fingers crossed .
History suggests that the majority will top out as middle rankers and , as yet , I await any one of them to do something that stands out as extraordinary.
Hopefully somebody we don’t see on the radar at present will emerge to amaze us and do what Verstappen did . Fingers crossed .
vaud said:
Stratovarious said:
Why are they worried about someone getting too close to Lewis? I thought Lewis was supposed to be the GOAT?
They don’t want another Lewis / Nico situation.Lets look at it, mercedes-AMG, pride of Germany, lets trot out those old silver arrow racers again and tell people what we're all about, German excellence dominating the sport!
Except. It's a classic English team (Tyrell) full of English people in England, rebuilt by the English mastermind Brawn, the AMG branded engines build by another renowned English racing engine company, facilitating an Englishman cement his place as one of the greatest drivers of all time.
Do you think another English guy in the second seat is what they really want
(Don't anyone bother schooling me that F1 is in fact multicultural nonpartisan. I know)
Callum43 said:
Of the young generation, other than Verstappen, who has done enough to show true greatness? LeClerc has won but probably every victory has been in an illegal car . The rest , Norris , Russell , Gasly, Ocon et al seem to attract more favourable speculation as stars of the future than maybe they’re due .
History suggests that the majority will top out as middle rankers and , as yet , I await any one of them to do something that stands out as extraordinary.
Hopefully somebody we don’t see on the radar at present will emerge to amaze us and do what Verstappen did . Fingers crossed .
Leclerc certainly stands out as the Newby elevated to the top tier with the help of a dodgy PU. Take that away and he is merely one of the new guys with potential. He’s also done / said a few stupid things.History suggests that the majority will top out as middle rankers and , as yet , I await any one of them to do something that stands out as extraordinary.
Hopefully somebody we don’t see on the radar at present will emerge to amaze us and do what Verstappen did . Fingers crossed .
Deesee said:
I can not believe what I’m reading, George Russell race pace is shocking, he’s struggling to be in front of Latifi in equal equipment, correct he had the measure of the one armed Kubica last year, but Latifi is no great peddler and is not exactly beating him into submission.
You must be watching a different championship from me. What I’m seeing is Russell demonstrating incredible qualifying pace and then the performance of the car averaging him down to a more typical Williams position during the race. However he’s always well up the road from his team mate. He smashed Kubica. His margin to Latifi is smaller but it’s still significant. If you could criticise Russell for anything it would be for bothering to attempt to race against the quicker Red Bull and McLaren in Russia which cost him a set of tyres. The only other time Latifi has finished ahead was after the final spin of the Monza restart raffle. Callum43 said:
Of the young generation, other than Verstappen, who has done enough to show true greatness? LeClerc has won but probably every victory has been in an illegal car . The rest , Norris , Russell , Gasly, Ocon et al seem to attract more favourable speculation as stars of the future than maybe they’re due .
History suggests that the majority will top out as middle rankers and , as yet , I await any one of them to do something that stands out as extraordinary.
Hopefully somebody we don’t see on the radar at present will emerge to amaze us and do what Verstappen did . Fingers crossed .
It’s obviously happened throughout the ages that promising drivers don’t convert their apparent potential or especially don’t score the right opportunities. However the drivers don’t just arrive in F1- the feeder series give a good indication. Russell in particular stands out here having consecutively won the GP3 and F2 championships first time of asking. History suggests that the majority will top out as middle rankers and , as yet , I await any one of them to do something that stands out as extraordinary.
Hopefully somebody we don’t see on the radar at present will emerge to amaze us and do what Verstappen did . Fingers crossed .
Exige77 said:
Leclerc certainly stands out as the Newby elevated to the top tier with the help of a dodgy PU. Take that away and he is merely one of the new guys with potential. He’s also done / said a few stupid things.
Again, have you been watching? He arrived at Ferrari after one season in Alfa Romeo, immediately usurped self-styled Schumy II and the team’s chosen one and diminished his stocks to practically nothing, and scores impossible podiums and a 4th place in the severely hobbled Ferrari- the fourth or fifth best car this season depending on the circuit? I know Vettel’s stocks are down now but that shouldn’t be allowed to diminish Leclerc’s achievements IMO.
ash73 said:
Callum43 said:
Of the young generation, other than Verstappen, who has done enough to show true greatness? LeClerc has won but probably every victory has been in an illegal car . The rest , Norris , Russell , Gasly, Ocon et al seem to attract more favourable speculation as stars of the future than maybe they’re due .
History suggests that the majority will top out as middle rankers and , as yet , I await any one of them to do something that stands out as extraordinary.
Hopefully somebody we don’t see on the radar at present will emerge to amaze us and do what Verstappen did . Fingers crossed .
Leclerc is chewing up and spitting out a 4x world champion, Gasly won a race in a AlphaTauri, Norris' mid-field scraps have been the highlight of the season for me, Russell is driving the wheels off a truck and 11-0 in quali (iirc)... these are not stand out performances for you?History suggests that the majority will top out as middle rankers and , as yet , I await any one of them to do something that stands out as extraordinary.
Hopefully somebody we don’t see on the radar at present will emerge to amaze us and do what Verstappen did . Fingers crossed .
Gtom said:
Is there not some kind of deal in place between Mercedes and Williams with regards to the power units and their driver? George gets ditched and the engine price goes up?
I have no idea if they actually do get cheaper engines because of George being there, it’s a genuine question.
Based on previous drivers I would expect Mercedes are paying Georges wages with Williams having a payment compensation clause if they take him early.I have no idea if they actually do get cheaper engines because of George being there, it’s a genuine question.
HustleRussell said:
Exige77 said:
Leclerc certainly stands out as the Newby elevated to the top tier with the help of a dodgy PU. Take that away and he is merely one of the new guys with potential. He’s also done / said a few stupid things.
Again, have you been watching? He arrived at Ferrari after one season in Alfa Romeo, immediately usurped self-styled Schumy II and the team’s chosen one and diminished his stocks to practically nothing, and scores impossible podiums and a 4th place in the severely hobbled Ferrari- the fourth or fifth best car this season depending on the circuit? I know Vettel’s stocks are down now but that shouldn’t be allowed to diminish Leclerc’s achievements IMO.
I would rate Leclerc similar to Verstapen on last years “results” but I think we all suspect the Ferrari’s PU was not above board so what would his performances have been with a legal car ?
Certainly well below Verstapen’s ?
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