Official 2020 Austrian & Styrian Grand Prix Thread *Spoilers

Official 2020 Austrian & Styrian Grand Prix Thread *Spoilers

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Deesee

5,304 posts

51 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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Tyres



And silverstone 2 is not a typo.

JonChalk

4,723 posts

78 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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Deesee said:
Tyres



And silverstone 2 is not a typo.
Odd that they've not tried something similar at Austria? or is it too marginal?

Anyway, should make the 2nd race a bit different to the first - temps going to make a huge difference.......

Deesee

5,304 posts

51 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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JonChalk said:
Deesee said:
Tyres



And silverstone 2 is not a typo.
Odd that they've not tried something similar at Austria? or is it too marginal?

Anyway, should make the 2nd race a bit different to the first - temps going to make a huge difference.......
My guess is it’s a little more rubbered in.. and to force a two stop.

The meduim in the first race is the Hard in the second this is a better graphic..




They should have a lot of data on the C2 tyre come race day, I think they’ve got the silverstone option the wrong way round.

JonChalk

4,723 posts

78 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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Deesee said:
They should have a lot of data on the C2 tyre come race day, I think they’ve got the silverstone option the wrong way round.
It does run the risk of being a one-stop traffic queue.

I agree - a potentially duller first race, followed by a multi-stop second race would seem a better option.

One of the things I think should have been experimented with (rather than the dramatic reverse grid option, which I would have loved) is to force a gap in the tyre choices, so something like C1, C2 & C4, or C1, C3 & C4.

edit: I may have misinterpreted the tyre graphic - oops.

Deesee

5,304 posts

51 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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JonChalk said:
Deesee said:
They should have a lot of data on the C2 tyre come race day, I think they’ve got the silverstone option the wrong way round.
It does run the risk of being a one-stop traffic queue.

I agree - a potentially duller first race, followed by a multi-stop second race would seem a better option.

One of the things I think should have been experimented with (rather than the dramatic reverse grid option, which I would have loved) is to force a gap in the tyre choices, so something like C1, C2 & C4, or C1, C3 & C4.

edit: I may have misinterpreted the tyre graphic - oops.
They normally cook a special tyre for silverstone due to the nature of the lateral loads in the multiple high speed corners, Pirelli have not done that this year the silverstone races could be super tactical due to this as they will play around with the pressures to slow them down.. But of course one weekend to another could be 10/15 deg in track temp difference here which will massively change the character to the tyres keeping them in the window will be key..


The C5 could have potentially worked at Hungary, and perhaps they could have put one at Austria but it would be a gteed 2 + stop..

There a bit stuck with the high speed nature of the first 7/8 tracks to have a gap, and the deltas last year were about 1.6/2.0 seconds between the compounds last year, having a 4 second delta on a tyre could be a bit too much.

DanielSan

16,449 posts

135 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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There is one overriding variation with Silverstone regardless of tyres, good old British weather.

Mark-C

3,432 posts

173 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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DanielSan said:
There is one overriding variation with Silverstone regardless of tyres, good old British weather.
Is there a limit on the number of Wets and Inters that can be used in a weekend per team?

DanielSan

16,449 posts

135 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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Mark-C said:
Is there a limit on the number of Wets and Inters that can be used in a weekend per team?
They do only take a certain amount, what that is I've no idea.

thegreenhell

9,034 posts

187 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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It's only four sets of inters and three sets of wets.

rev-erend

21,063 posts

252 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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Only 2 weeks to go ..

woohoo

Stan the Bat

6,573 posts

180 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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Have CH4 issued their transmission times yet ?

Derek Smith

39,866 posts

216 months

Monday 22nd June 2020
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Stan the Bat said:
Have CH4 issued their transmission times yet ?
No times, just the rather bland press release:

"With the confirmation that the flags are up, our coverage of the shortened season of F1 will begin in July with highlights of the Austrian GP.

"We’ll be updating broadcast times as they become available."

JonChalk

4,723 posts

78 months

Tuesday 23rd June 2020
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Six pointless new ways to ill-inform new fans, hark back to the past and make existing fans rush out to renew their Sky subscriptions.

https://www.racefans.net/2020/06/23/six-new-televi...

Perhaps Liberty’s plan is to make the TV feed so annoying and crap that it drives people to go to the circuit?

ukaskew

7,723 posts

189 months

Tuesday 23rd June 2020
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JonChalk said:
Six pointless new ways to ill-inform new fans, hark back to the past and make existing fans rush out to renew their Sky subscriptions.

https://www.racefans.net/2020/06/23/six-new-televi...

Perhaps Liberty’s plan is to make the TV feed so annoying and crap that it drives people to go to the circuit?
Regardless of the number of data points, it made absolutely no difference to the 'overtake percentage' graphic that has been a complete failure, so I don't hold out much hope for these. I like that Brundle basically gave up on them, after presumably having been politely asked to refer to them as much as possible early on.

All this stuff yet we've gone backwards in terms of no longer seeing fuel use, no thermal cameras etc.

Deesee

5,304 posts

51 months

Tuesday 23rd June 2020
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Deesee said:
Tyres



And silverstone 2 is not a typo.
Haha this gets better...



They have all got the same tyres!!!!

Deesee

5,304 posts

51 months

Tuesday 23rd June 2020
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ukaskew said:
Regardless of the number of data points, it made absolutely no difference to the 'overtake percentage' graphic that has been a complete failure, so I don't hold out much hope for these. I like that Brundle basically gave up on them, after presumably having been politely asked to refer to them as much as possible early on.

All this stuff yet we've gone backwards in terms of no longer seeing fuel use, no thermal cameras etc.
This is basically from the F1.com living timing, we’re you can see a driver performing relative to the car performing, the scores have been on there for a while driver vs car.

I saw a preview last week, that included drivers fighting under/over steer, average corner speed now down/up.. and can they perform to the cars ability, now ‘if’ this is accurate than great.

They have access to 300 sensors, and have gone back over 25 yrs of GP to give the Insight to the predicted data.

To be honest I’d rather see race pace traces shown on the position tower, but IMO it should be extra info it you want it, via an app, or option on the broadcast.

Deesee

5,304 posts

51 months

Thursday 25th June 2020
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The weather is looking interesting..


Leithen

7,739 posts

235 months

Thursday 25th June 2020
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Promising!

TheDeuce

10,040 posts

34 months

Thursday 25th June 2020
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Currently high chance of rain throughout the first weekend. I guess it would complete 2020 as the weirdest season ever if it started in the middle of the year with a thunderstorm and postponed race start scratchchin

Deesee

5,304 posts

51 months

Thursday 25th June 2020
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Merc 1-2-3 with Mylander taking the flag for a ninth time!

Oh well at least Racing Point won’t need to worry about the cooling problems on last years Merc.