Black Mercedes.

Black Mercedes.

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TheDeuce

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5,621 posts

21 months

Monday 29th June
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https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breakin...

I see what you've done Mercedes... That's quite some statement to be fair.

ajprice

17,672 posts

151 months

Monday 29th June
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I like it smile


Is the solid black paint lighter than metallic silver? Might be a weight benefit even if it's only a kg or so. The chrome McLaren paint was heavier back when they had their Vodafone livery cars.

TheDeuce

Original Poster:

5,621 posts

21 months

Monday 29th June
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Yea I like it too, very much. I've always loved black base colour on F1 cars.


SmoothCriminal

2,903 posts

154 months

Monday 29th June
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SO woke, SO stunning, SO brave.

Wonder what the racial mix of Daimler AG is or even the merc racing team for that matter. Bet them muppets will be taking the knee before races aswell

TwentyFive

95 posts

21 months

Monday 29th June
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Well that's a good looking car. I like it.

Is this for the first round only or the whole year?

Lets hope it brings better luck than their one off white car did in Germany 2019 otherwise it could be changed back to Silver by Round 2.




rscott

10,338 posts

146 months

Monday 29th June
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I think it's a very sensible gesture. It shows support for the movement to reduce racial inequality without tying themselves directly to the BLM organisation. Something several other companies have done (eg Sky).

LordGrover

31,397 posts

167 months

Monday 29th June
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TwentyFive said:
Well that's a good looking car. I like it.

Is this for the first round only or the whole year?

Lets hope it brings better luck than their one off white car did in Germany 2019 otherwise it could be changed back to Silver by Round 2.
Toto Wolff said:
“We wish to use our voice and our global platform to speak up for respect and equality, and the Silver Arrow will race in black for the entire 2020 season to show our commitment to greater diversity within our team and our sport.”
From the link above.

thegreenhell

6,980 posts

174 months

Monday 29th June
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Does this mean that Williams are racist for painting their car white?

Muzzer79

3,398 posts

142 months

Monday 29th June
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SmoothCriminal said:
Wonder what the racial mix of Daimler AG is or even the merc racing team for that matter.
It says in the article that around 3% are ethnic minority and 12% are women.

I don't see the issue in highlighting awareness of better equality. Positive discrimination would be something else.....

rscott

10,338 posts

146 months

Monday 29th June
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Muzzer79 said:
SmoothCriminal said:
Wonder what the racial mix of Daimler AG is or even the merc racing team for that matter.
It says in the article that around 3% are ethnic minority and 12% are women.

I don't see the issue in highlighting awareness of better equality. Positive discrimination would be something else.....
It also says they're looking at how they recruit talent, to ensure they attract candidates from all backgrounds. Seems like they're aiming to widen the mix of applicants, which may well lead to a more representative workforce, rather than specifically aiming to hire from minorities.

Benrad

520 posts

104 months

Monday 29th June
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rscott said:
Muzzer79 said:
SmoothCriminal said:
Wonder what the racial mix of Daimler AG is or even the merc racing team for that matter.
It says in the article that around 3% are ethnic minority and 12% are women.

I don't see the issue in highlighting awareness of better equality. Positive discrimination would be something else.....
It also says they're looking at how they recruit talent, to ensure they attract candidates from all backgrounds. Seems like they're aiming to widen the mix of applicants, which may well lead to a more representative workforce, rather than specifically aiming to hire from minorities.
I work for an engineering company that focusses on diversity in its recruitment, as well as inclusiveness throughout the business and it makes for a fantastic place to work.

It's a shame that it's taken then so long to make such a commitment, but better late than never.

I'm also pleased they mentioned the low proportion of women. That's a brave statement given all the discussion around how important it is to avoid diluting the black lives matter message but I think it's appropriate, championing true diversity as a core value.

DOCG

132 posts

9 months

Monday 29th June
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Benrad said:
I work for an engineering company that focusses on diversity in its recruitment, as well as inclusiveness throughout the business and it makes for a fantastic place to work.

It's a shame that it's taken then so long to make such a commitment, but better late than never.

I'm also pleased they mentioned the low proportion of women. That's a brave statement given all the discussion around how important it is to avoid diluting the black lives matter message but I think it's appropriate, championing true diversity as a core value.
What specific measures are put in please that lead to a more diverse workforce? How is it done in practice?

HardtopManual

1,313 posts

121 months

Monday 29th June
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I work in a blue-chip company which is incredibly diverse. In my team of 10, 8 are non-Brits. Some will think this is great. I don't care either way. The office banter is crap though, because nobody gets any references to anything that happened in the UK prior to 2015.

Benrad

520 posts

104 months

Monday 29th June
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DOCG said:
What specific measures are put in please that lead to a more diverse workforce? How is it done in practice?
I don't know on the hiring side. I'm technical and haven't ever been involved in hiring someone.

In terms of culture is difficult to describe. We have core values and mission statement that include statements about diversity and inclusion, but they're just words. Our whole management structure really lives those values day to day. They'll share stories of their own and from other employees highlighting the benefit of diversity and inclusion in company wide emails or on our internal homepage for example.

What I really see are the results, we have a large number of female engineers for example. More than that, we retain them! Hiring them is the easy bit, the inequality for women in engineering at least seems to be making them feel welcome, toning down the masculinity of the place. I don't know if the same is true for BAME engineers to be honest. Much of our diversity comes from immigration and that's certainly supported. One of my favourite parts of the job is working closely with people in and from all around the world.

I don't know what motivated you to ask that, and I can't answer directly. For me it's a culture that pervades the place, it was there when I joined so I don't know what it took to implement it but I'm very glad it's there

DOCG

132 posts

9 months

Monday 29th June
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Benrad said:
I don't know on the hiring side. I'm technical and haven't ever been involved in hiring someone.

In terms of culture is difficult to describe. We have core values and mission statement that include statements about diversity and inclusion, but they're just words. Our whole management structure really lives those values day to day. They'll share stories of their own and from other employees highlighting the benefit of diversity and inclusion in company wide emails or on our internal homepage for example.

What I really see are the results, we have a large number of female engineers for example. More than that, we retain them! Hiring them is the easy bit, the inequality for women in engineering at least seems to be making them feel welcome, toning down the masculinity of the place. I don't know if the same is true for BAME engineers to be honest. Much of our diversity comes from immigration and that's certainly supported. One of my favourite parts of the job is working closely with people in and from all around the world.

I don't know what motivated you to ask that, and I can't answer directly. For me it's a culture that pervades the place, it was there when I joined so I don't know what it took to implement it but I'm very glad it's there
I am curious because from my perspective inclusion and diversity have always been just words, I've never really had an account of what the effects are in practice, or what the tangible differences there are in a company culture. I've always been a tad sceptical that it is mostly corporate PR.

sparta6

1,822 posts

55 months

Monday 29th June
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HardtopManual said:
I work in a blue-chip company which is incredibly diverse. In my team of 10, 8 are non-Brits. Some will think this is great. I don't care either way. The office banter is crap though, because nobody gets any references to anything that happened in the UK prior to 2015.
Would like to see such an equivalent diversity ratio in Tokyo, Moscow, Jeddah.

UK has to be the most diverse place on this planet.

HedgeyGedgey

1,211 posts

49 months

Monday 29th June
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The thing that gets me is its all because Lewis has stood up and said its a white dominated sport. Its the best of the best, whats he suggesting that teams now shouldn't scout out the best of the best instead pick their team based on their race. Isnt that just racist anyway. And Mercedes answer to all this is to just paint the car black, do we now call them the black arrows? Or is that racist because one drive is black? Or do we call them the black and white arrows? Wait I've got it, the multicultural arrows!!!! Has a ring to it I think

rscott

10,338 posts

146 months

Monday 29th June
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HedgeyGedgey said:
The thing that gets me is its all because Lewis has stood up and said its a white dominated sport. Its the best of the best, whats he suggesting that teams now shouldn't scout out the best of the best instead pick their team based on their race. Isnt that just racist anyway. And Mercedes answer to all this is to just paint the car black, do we now call them the black arrows? Or is that racist because one drive is black? Or do we call them the black and white arrows? Wait I've got it, the multicultural arrows!!!! Has a ring to it I think
That's not what Mercedes are saying at all - their announcement is that they'll aim to widen the sources they attract applicants from, to encourage people who may not normally apply. Not that they'll be selecting who they employ to hit quotas.

HardtopManual

1,313 posts

121 months

Monday 29th June
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DOCG said:
I am curious because from my perspective inclusion and diversity have always been just words, I've never really had an account of what the effects are in practice, or what the tangible differences there are in a company culture. I've always been a tad sceptical that it is mostly corporate PR.
As an example, the (white, male) CEO of a (large Swiss) bank I worked at a couple of years ago sent round a communication that he'd like more diversity at all levels. The annual round of promotions that followed was composed almost entirely of women and ethnic minorities. A white male colleague, who had been verbally promised promotion that year, but didn't get it, left the company over it. As a contractor, I didn't have any skin in the game.

(note that "promotion" in a bank doesn't necessarily mean a new job with more responsibility - it usually means a shift up the ranks and a salary uplift)

Edited by HardtopManual on Monday 29th June 13:29

sparta6

1,822 posts

55 months

Monday 29th June
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SmoothCriminal said:
SO woke, SO stunning, SO brave.

Wonder what the racial mix of Daimler AG is or even the merc racing team for that matter. Bet them muppets will be taking the knee before races aswell
I wonder if Lewis has studied the history of Daimler and the Nazi party ?
eek